dave1982rst

Just bought a Samsung 40inch 1080p HDTV, and got a samsung dvd player with it, now will i notice much difference using a scart than a HDMi cable in quality wise? Im not upto date on these things and is it worth buying a £60 hdmi lead or will a £10 one be the same? only need 1 meter

Thanks


Edited to suit mk5

MK5RST

BOUGHT FFS

MATCOS

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I bought some for about 35 quid and I would say it made a difference pic wise, HDMI doesn't transmit sound though so you will still need good audio cables.

BM08

HDMI cable carrys vision AND sound

Red16

picture quality will be far superior with HDMI compared to the SCART

dave1982rst

Thanks

Off to the shops to buy one!!

MATCOS

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I stand corrected

scruffythefirst

HDMI is a digital signal so it doesn't matter if the cable cost £100 or is a wet bit of string. Plenty of cables around for £5-10

St3V3_C

Here you go:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130508

Fiver

CraigoScott

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yes it will, and yes the better quality ones work better and are more expensive, trust me ive seen it!!

MATCOS


you were probably thinking of component leads, they only carry picture, but no sound

CraigoScott

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and remember your tv wont automatically produce 1080p with whatever is inputted into it, it has to have something inputing in 1080p to output 1080p, so the real question is, has the dvd player you bought got 1080p output??

Fagin

There is more horseshit on this thread than at Cheltenham during the Gold Cup!

Fagin

BTW.... no DVD player will have 1080p output native unless it is HD-DVD or Blu-Ray software. Anything else will just be upscaled to the displays native res and a 1080p display will do that in any case, so unless the other device upscaler is of better quality the point is pretty worthless.

dave1982rst

Thanks Fagin,


Its got a HDmi sticker on the front so does that mean its a HD-DVD player or ?

New to this stuff

So is it worth me getting a HDmi cable

Fagin

HDMI is just the interface standard between two devices.... like a scart socket is, except HDMI is part of the HD-Ready agreed standards.

HDMI means that you can output a digital signal in to a device that accepts a HDMI or DVI digital input.

Unless you player is HD-DVD or Blu_Ray (it will have an appropriate label on the player and these cost a lot more than normal DVD players) it will be a standard DVD player. Having a HDMI output even on a normal DVD player will ensure the picture should be crisper with better colours than an analogue component or RGB Scart output. It may also mean the player has an upscaler (to take the DVD resolution to whatever the upscaler will scale to), but as I have already said, you display will already do this function natively, so unless the upscaler in the player is better (generally a better upscaler on a player will mean the player will be quite expensive) you may not benefit from the player doing the upscaling.

Confused??

Basically.... if your devices support HDMI use it. Plug the thing in and enjoy your new toy without worrying about the technical stuff too much!

dave1982rst

Thanks for the info , Understand that part of it now

Smit

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Usually an upscaler will do 720p or 1080i.. As Shawn says HD-DVD or Blue-ray will do 1080p nothing else... Even sky HD is only 720p

Picture will be better with a High Definition Multimedia Inferface (HDMI) than a scart lead. i got a 1 meter one (all i needed) from cyurryd for a tenner!

Bargain!

Fagin

Smit,

SKYHD actually does 1080i as well.

dojj

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i've got an lg dvd player that does 1080i upscaling
i've got an lg tv that can do 1080i thing

but can i get them to work together? can i fuck i'm stuck with looking at it in 576p only

Thrush

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One glaring ommision I see here...

The whole point of a 1080 set (beit p or i) is to be able to view 1080 "one-thousand-and-eighty" horizontal lines on the screen, thus more detail.

A scart only transmits 576 lines. HDMI, being a digital cable, will be able to transmit 1080 lines from a correctly encoded HD-DVD, Blu-Ray film, or compatible games console, PC etc.

HDMI does carry uncompressed video as well as up to 8 channels of uncompressed LPCM audio.

However if you use a HDMI lead with a DVI converter at one end (ie your PC outputs DVI and your TV takes HDMI, or vice versa) then Sound won't be carried, as whilst DVI has the ability to carry over the video content, it cannot handle sound.

As said, unless you are using a HD-DVD player or Blu-Ray player, it is doublt full you will get 1080p. I take it your DVD player is a standard SD-DVD player, with a HDMI connection that can "upscale" right? Same as mine then, and in this case, you probably get 1080p. Maybe 720p, but this is upscaled, so still won't be as clear or detailed as HD-DVD or Sky-HD at 720p.

My advice? Use an HDMI lead for your upscaling DVD player. The player will upscale it to 720p, but the TV will then re-upscale it to 1080p. If you use scart, the inital output is 576i, when then has to be re-upscaled by the TV to 1080p, so better off with the HDMI cable @ 720p.

And don't spend more than £25 on a HDMI cable. Whilst the quality of the cable DOES actually make a difference to performance, the degree of this isn't a lot. It's mainly down to connectors and quality of the inner cable itself. Cheapo pound shop ones hav shit connectors and shit "joins" joining the connectors to the inner cable. *Most* more expensive ones (from trusted suppliers) will have better connectors and better joins, and probably an inner core capable of handling higher ohms, thus transmitting the pulses better.

dave1982rst

Thanks for that Thrush Going to pop out this morning and get a HDmi cable then, and maybe a ps3 while im there

St3V3_C

You were doing well until then LOL.

This Hi Def stuff has got to be about the most complicated thing ever...

Thrush

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How come? I might not have used the correct term I confess that, but it is true. The quality of the inner core of the cable will have an effect on it's ability to handle the signal being sent down it which is sent in the form of electrical pulses. Much like a digital coax cable. Cheapo one isn't as good as one with a more expensive core. Typically 75ohm cables are better for the job than stock cables, which are about what, 25ohm? A cable that can handle a higher impedance will perform better than a cable that can't.

As said, might not have used the correct terminology, but was just trying to get the point across in an easy way to understand it

St3V3_C

Yea, just a terminology thing.

Here goes...

The cables impedance is 75ohm, which will affect it's ability to carry current.

It's called impedance not just straight resistance as it also has a capacitance, and the resistance will be different depending on the frequency of the signal you are trying to pass.

Hope that makes sense, it's been a long weekend.

The noticeable difference between the cheap cables is more likely to be due to poor terminations on the connectors, as you said...

UBster

spot on! as long as the 1s & 0s are getting through all is well!!

Got mine of ebuyer for £3

Thrush

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Thats what I said!







Kinda

St3V3_C

LOL

Smit

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Scott - Sony bravia do a 46" so not far off!

I've got a 50" Samsung 1080p and it's wicked!

Thrush

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There's a 50" Samsung plasma in a cash converters near me for £850.. No idea if it's 1080p, but then I don't really care It calls my name when I drive past it tho

CraigoScott

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you can get brand new ones for around that money!

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....my 70incher 1080p cost 5k

SS1

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i want to ask both of you the same question ..

i bought gold ended scart leads as was having problems with the tv

http://www.richersounds.com/showprod...CAMB-SCART-SC5

and a freind said i had wasted my money if the screen did not have the same 24K gold plated connectors ie digi box sky whatever


The Cambridge Premium Scart offers a significant upgrade over standard SCART leads, and offers impressive engineering for the money. Double shielding reduces interference whilst an Oxygen Free Copper conductor improves clarity of both sound and picture.

The metalised plugs reduce noise levels still further, whilst the 24K gold plated connectors give the lowest resistance connection possible. The Cambridge Premium Scart offers true 75ohm geometry for optimum video performance and detailed sound quality. Release the best from your system today!


was i mugged PLEASE BE GENTLE

Smit

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Scott - Model number is PS50P96FDX. More expensive than others but i'm happy with it

Matt - There are cheap 50" versions that Samsung do, known as the Q series... they only do 1365 x 768 which is wack!

cheap new actually but not a very nice telly CLICK ME

frog

Spot on

Er, assuming no upscaling takes place in the dvd player, HDMI will only output 576, just like scart.
The main difference here is that digital data off the dvd is sent to the TV as digital data via HDMI, whereas SCART requires the DVD player to convert this digital data to analog, send it to the TV which will convert it back to digital, one of three reasons why SCART is technically worse.
Then, Scart can be used to carry Composite, S-Video and/or RGB (from worse to best (for scart)).
Composite over scart will look a million miles worse than HDMI, s-Video not quite as bad, RGB nearly as good

Remember, DVD is 576 lines, regardless of how you carry the signal to the TV, it's 576 lines of information that are stored on the DVD.
HDMI doesn't upscale, it's only a piece of cable and digital communication standard between devices (in fact four standards now, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and 1.3a).
The DVD player may upscale 657 to 720i, 720p, 1080i (unlikely to support 1080p), all of which can be carried over HDMI (or component).
A plasma or LCD TV is also capable of upscaling analog TV (525 lines), DVD 576, up to 720 or 1080 depending on the model, etc...

All that really matters is which is best (dvd player or telly) at upscaling from whatever to 720 or 1080. Only your eyes / reviews can tell you vy trying different combinations.

Note: If you output upconverted 576 to 720 out of your DVD, your TV will then have to upconvert again to 1080, might be best leave the upconversion off in the DVD and leave the TV to do it all.

Think of it in terms of re-heating meals... a meal cooked once (756-1080) usually tastes better than one that have been prepared by one chef (DVD 576 to 720), then re-heated by another (720 to 1080).

As for the HDMI cable, unless you have a top of the range plasma screen and a top of the range DVD player, you are VERY VERY VERY unlikely to notice a difference between £5, £10, £25 or £250

Hope this helps

frog

Good quality scart does make a difference, we're talking analogue signals, not digital.
However, as I said in my previous post, if you paid £19 for your DVD player, there is no point (at all) spending £50 on a scart cable

Thrush

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avid-fan - Essemtially what your friend says is true. Gold plated connectors when coupled with gold plated connectors (ie, a lead with glod plated ends and a TV/amp with glod plated inputs) will give a superb connection, but couple a gold plated scart (for example) with a non gold plated scart input, then it won't perform the same. In extreme cases, it can actually cause a LOSS of quality in the connection, as the gold against nickle (which scart and RCA connectors often are) can suffer from oxidation between the two.

Read this for more info - http://www.avforums.com/forums/archi.../t-163888.html

frog - I was trying to phrase things in an easy to understand sense, whilst trying to retain a bit of technical info I understand that HDMI is a fully digital "data" cable as opposed to scart which is AV. But I was actually referring to HD-DVD and.or Blu-Ray Which will output at 1080i/p. All UK terrestrial, satellite and cable TV sources are in 576i format (unless they are of the HD variety, ala SkyHD and VirginHD, which are mostly in 720p, some in 1080i), as are all PAL SD DVD's. US (NTSC) DVD's are in 480p format. HD-DVD's and Blu-Ray are in either 720p, 1080i and 1080p, which is where my comment was coming from - the HDMI here will transmit those 1080 lines to a TV that can recieve them.

An "upscaling" DVD player connected by HDMI will still output 576 lines (that SD-DVD's contain) but will upscale the image to 1080 lines before it hits the TV. The idea behind this is that if the upscaler in the DVD player is better than the one in the TV, the picture quality will be better because the TV doesn't have to do any processing/scaling. However, unless you are spending decent money on an upscaling DVD player, this isn't likely to be the case. People seem to be under the impression that just cos it has a HDMI connection it must be HD quailty - well that ain't gonna happen from a £40/£50 DVD player Same as CD players - there are reasons people spend £200 on a DAC, and it's cos the DAC in a £50 CD player is shite