600 more realistic i guess and liners are a no no i defo wouldnt touch the bottom end and its got 7 litre big wing already

 

600 more realistic i guess injectors i got and someone said to me standard throttle will flow 600 ish is that incorrect then ?

and surge can be mapped out so i aint bothered bout that itl still make the power where i want it

anyone know what bd14s are good up to ?

 

if youve got a sound bottom end then that will take 600 hp but if youve had a grind on crank thats a no no.you will need a good std std crank atleast and have it checked and rebalanced.youl need a bd16 inlet cam and youll have to check your valve springs are strong enough for the job and the platforms are right and porting wise 26mm inlet and 25mm exhaust.get a pj elbow for the external wastegate a gt35/40 turbo swedish plenum 1000cc injectors easy 600hp and even if you have to sort a new crnk you could do al this for 5k easy that includes getting it mapped

 

IMO 26mm is not big enough for 600bhp, I run bigger than that for 500bhp .

Agree that you would need a very good quality valve train for the boost levels / revs .

Also, the 2wd manifold is about on it's absolute limit at 600bhp, and a standard 3" exhaust would be strangling the car.

 

Did anyone mention the 9" diff your going to need another 3k !

Oh and a gearbox

TBH a genuine 550hp will piss just about anything if you get the car setup well enough.

No point having all that power if it just leaves black lines when you open it up doing 70mph

Best of luck with it Carl

 

iv done a few engines at that spec and the lowest weve achieved is 572 and the most is 608 so you can do it but yeah in an ideal world you would do everything better my race car engine is only 583bhp but its well responsive and its got 562 lb/ft and that cost me 20k but its got the best of the best.cheers danny@abcmotorsport

 

Just have 400bhp and a sorted suspension.
However You don't need liners or uprated rods or crank for 600-650 just good standard ones.
James

 

I don't think it would achieve the same on Joe's new Superflow dyno, now that Harvey has been and showed him how to calibrate it etc .

 

mike the last one wich to be fair was the lower hp one at 572 was done last friday and the others were done on tommys as joes werent ready .danny@abcmotorsport

 

I think you will find that all Joe's subsequent figures will now be "realistic" (providing he doesn't change any settings ) .

 

ive got 480 now and the car feels good in the bends. i am a speed freak and would love to be able to go to brunters with the boys and do 190 mph as long as there wasnt to much launching of the line would a standard gearbox and diff stick it ?

 

b19 dfp Nice advertising!

 

What about, Keep what you have and add Nitrous??


Steve

 

For a limited mileage (of which that would be dependant on the condition of the 'box). My own car the T5 lasted 1000miles after jumping from 420 to 520bhp, but that had done 100,000 VERY hard miles. The next one (out of a crashed concourse 3dr with 30,000 miles on the clock), was about to die at 20,000 further miles with 500bhp, but I killed the WHOLE car with a roundabout / car interface before that happened .

 

i dont think id be loosing much either tbh as long as i dont pop it as a 600 hp cossie must be worth 12k - 13k surely even if it is a saph.
brakes are done, suspension is pukker. if drivetrain will stike it aint really that much to do not in £ terms anyway.

 

and my engine was done at tommys and then finished on joes cos of leaking wastegate but the spec is cgi block mountune liners wrc pistons and rods lightwieght new crank cnc cosworth bigvavle head from new cast solid lifters mountune cams proper inconel manifold gt35/42 turbo rs200 wastegate mountune roller barrel inlet f1 injectors f88 ecu and special loom dry sump and so on etc but im like you mike i want response and lots of tourque where you need it other wise i could lose the roller barrels and put a swedish 8 injector large throttle body and have 650 bhp no probs but on the track my spec will bequicker so it depends what you want and how long you want it to last. danny@abcmotorsport

 

I've only EVER seen one Saph advertised at 12k and it was probably the mintest one there is, full on genuine Concours example with stupidly low mileage on it!

Was certainly not a silly HP top speed machine with the usual parking dents and stone chips on it, not many people want these...

 

my box has done 2k miles so should be ok then and alan changed the diff just before i bought it as he broke it. i think my car will be worth the extra £ i put in if i do it owes me 8.5k as it stands.

 

not all have parking dents and stone chips dont get me wrong my cart aint concourse but its very clean and very specced

 

well yes mike of course the figures will be realistic as just said i know when harvey helped joe calibrate and i havny used joes dyno until then iv used tommys wich actually reads higher than joes.so whats your point?

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Garrett-GT3582...QQcmdZViewItem



just found this on ebay and can use identical rear housing to my t4 so 5 bolt wastegate housing and internal wastegate will fit straight on for £900.


can anyone tell me from the flow charts on the listings if this turbo would genuinely flow 600 hp and at what boost it would need to be at to do it ?
thanks for info so far people

 

You box might be fine now yes. Adding another 40bhp would shorten its lift a hell of alot, let alone adding another 120bhp+.

I am not being funny but everyone who has built a car to this spec have all said the same thing. You cannot cut any corners with anything as it will show up straight away. If you want a genuine 600bhp thats also reliable then its going to cost money and lots of it!

 

http://www.gt3turbo.com/Images/Produ...s/GT3582RC.htm


enlarged flow chart

 

Uprated engine mounts
T4 turbo with mar-am 247 shaft
AH fabrications intercooler
Radtec alloy rad
Air injector
Wasted spark conversion
Closed loop fueling
Brand new engine loom
Touring car spec head,
BD16/14 cams,
Blue verniers,
isky double valve springs,
WRC 4 layer head gasket
New 200 block,
ST escos inlet manifold
6 wrc long studs 4 std head bolts,
7:2-1 compression
Mahle pistons
ARP rod bolts
Fully balanced and lightened bottom end (not too light)
4 paddle clutch
Big wing sump
Siemens 1000cc injectors
L8 ecu with ANTI-LAG and LAUNCH CONTROL
Oil cooler
Usual chrome tanks under the bonnet
Aeromotive ae1000 fuel pump with -8 to fuel rail and -6 return
Aeromotive fuel regulator
Aeromotive high flow fuel filter
Glebe straight cut T5 gearbox with non std ratios (yes its noisy) it does what its supposed to. 70MPH 1ST GEAR 100MPH 2ND GEAR 175MPH IN 5TH
Quaife atb rear diff
R and B rear shims
AP 6 pot 330mm front brakes
Large rear brakes
Fully polybushed
AVO coilover suspension
Compomotive mo's 17" 5 spokes in anthracite
3 ford racing gauges
Elliot 8k tacho (fitted where std one was)

Roughly this was the spec of my 3 door, It was around 530 bhp, the t4 was flat out. All this needed was a bigger turbo for more power, Then i think it would make around 600 ish bhp, I dont think it would of made anymore though.

So how siimilar is your spec and see what else you need, may give you an idea.

(ive just took this from the sale add so some things wont matter obviously )

 

all id need from that list is fuel pump, 16 inlet cam, head porting, inlet manifold ive got 865 cc injectors but stu said when he mapped there good for around 600 hp.

 

TBH I can't see the point in having 600hp when you know the gearbox or diff is going to shit itself IF you launch it.

If your not willing to spend out on a good gearbox and diff then stick to 500 MAX as thats more than enough for standard ish running gear.

Its doing things like this that cause people to get fucked off with their cars and break them up, it will let you down at the most awkward time.

Obviously doing it right is going to cost a fortune but IMO either do it that way or don't bother.

Personally if its just 190mph you want then add some nitrous, a proper setup isn't cheap but its a LOT cheaper than a 650hp engine, its not on constant so the car won't fall apart too quickly.

Just look at Rod Tarrys car for a example of what nitrous can give you

 

From memory,

Pump, £300
Reg £140
Filter £
Lines £150
Plus all the areoquip you can put nearly 1k on for all that and poss the mod to your fuel rail or a new one.


Its always the little things that all add up and supprise you, Aswell as doing the big things right

 

I think you have just made it for me .

 

Add another 120bhp and it won't feel good in the bends.
Gearbox might stick it for a while.
Diff will die.
What do you see in doing 190 at brunters may I ask? I very much doubt you will though if you just throw on a gt35, etc.
See what your tuners views are on this.
And soon, 190 probably won't be with the big boys anymore anyway

 

I assume another knock at mine .
Ive been offered lots more for my engine than 12k chum, a genuine 770bhp costs mega bucks, there are over 43k parts alone in my old girl. My Block is costing more than the guy thinks it costs to get 650bhp. .

 

just something id like to do im a speed freak and 190 in any car let alone an old sierra is a big boys toy
and who mentions just throwing on a gt35 with correct cams, headporting, inlet, fuel and turbo what else is there ? i would dare chance the bottom end im running 2.2 bar boost now without any issues so id dare run 2.2 bar with a bigger turbo.

 

My head work for 400hp is the same as 600hp .

Mark

 

Realy Mike I suppose that means my 700hp engine is not realy that .

Mark

 

he has indeed mike

 

something not right there a standard rs 500 engine will make over 400

 

Correct with a T4 my T34 400hp engines have head work the only diff after that to 600hp is port size and I dont get charged anymore to have larger ones so I dont charge more for it either

Mark

 

ok mark but that isn't what you said makes sense now
obviously a 600 bhp head can also make 400 bhp but it wouldn't be the best power band for 400 bhp.
10 out of 10 for digging yourself back out of that hole

 

Yes thats why I didnt say the same port size only the same price

Mark

 

So whats your 600hp spec list so far mate?

 

parts i would need extra so far bd16 inlet £150, inlet £400, turbo maybe £1000 if suitable not sure yet, head around £1100, mapping £500, headgasket £400, fuel pump £500. so £4050 but got the t4, ported inlet, mapped chip and fuel pump to sell so gotta be minimum £1000 back there. so at 3k so far thats if i do the work myself dunno if id dare if i went ahead with it what have i missed.