Time Attack, What went wrong with the Reyland Escort....
#81
It still amazes me that whilst 500+bhp seems more normal, that people do not seem (who havent gone through the stress of either sorting these engines or parting with the money) to realise that whilst BIG bhp figures are more attainable nowadays, these cars need a bit more than an oil change every 12 months and do need looking at in between!
Anything 500+ on a 2ltr is pushing the boundaries of reliability and life expectancy.... regardless of what you do in my eyes. Something I am sure people like Martin are all too aware of.
Like you say Martin...... you could of had a skip full of bits!
It takes balls to take these kinds of vehicles on track for a beating..... especially people like me that only turn up to track events with a screwdriver and insulation tape!!
Anything 500+ on a 2ltr is pushing the boundaries of reliability and life expectancy.... regardless of what you do in my eyes. Something I am sure people like Martin are all too aware of.
Like you say Martin...... you could of had a skip full of bits!
It takes balls to take these kinds of vehicles on track for a beating..... especially people like me that only turn up to track events with a screwdriver and insulation tape!!
#86
Re: Time Attack, What went wrong with the Reyland Escort....
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
on the other hand, unless someone has unbolted the bolt, it would have only been a short while for it to have worked itself loose
and, seeing as i don't know who built the engine, i'm not going to comment on the build as it seems fairly obvious the bit that's broke wasn't the bolt
#90
Originally Posted by Yeti Racing
WFT! Its Franco you gibbon!
Originally Posted by Yeti Racing
And if I'd built that engine.............Well lets say it'll be safe to say that it wouldnt of made it off the engine stand before failing!
#91
Dojj thats not a woodruff key you plank its a part of the material itself. However you are right in saying it has stopped the pulley from coming off....as it looks to me to have kept it on the last thread of the bolt (i.e. the tab has stopped it undoing itself off of the last bit of bolt)
Martin
Me and my workmates (material engineers and a few metallurgists) have looked closely at them pictures and we've all come to a rough conclusion that the failure started within the the bolt hole (at end of the projecting tip left on the crank) and has failed upwards in a V shape towards the end of the bolt to the area where the stress is (if you imagine where the crank exits the block to be a pivot point) which happens to be where the bolt ends and looks to be the area in the vicintiy with the least ammoutn of surface area.
I cannot without looking at it though say 100% what caused the initial failure from within the threaded hole area....If I had to hedge a bet it'd be from an inclusion within the material or a lamination or contamination of the metal.
If you dont mind i'd like to have a look and see it close up...i'm in Birmingham and can give you answers. Then you will have ammunition to hit the manufacturer with for a refund/replacement.
I have the afternoon off friday so can nip in then if its convenient.
Dan
Martin
Me and my workmates (material engineers and a few metallurgists) have looked closely at them pictures and we've all come to a rough conclusion that the failure started within the the bolt hole (at end of the projecting tip left on the crank) and has failed upwards in a V shape towards the end of the bolt to the area where the stress is (if you imagine where the crank exits the block to be a pivot point) which happens to be where the bolt ends and looks to be the area in the vicintiy with the least ammoutn of surface area.
I cannot without looking at it though say 100% what caused the initial failure from within the threaded hole area....If I had to hedge a bet it'd be from an inclusion within the material or a lamination or contamination of the metal.
If you dont mind i'd like to have a look and see it close up...i'm in Birmingham and can give you answers. Then you will have ammunition to hit the manufacturer with for a refund/replacement.
I have the afternoon off friday so can nip in then if its convenient.
Dan
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Originally Posted by SillyFezzaMk1
Dojj thats not a woodruff key you plank its a part of the material itself. However you are right in saying it has stopped the pulley from coming off....as it looks to me to have kept it on the last thread of the bolt (i.e. the tab has stopped it undoing itself off of the last bit of bolt)
Martin
Me and my workmates (material engineers and a few metallurgists) have looked closely at them pictures and we've all come to a rough conclusion that the failure started within the the bolt hole (at end of the projecting tip left on the crank) and has failed upwards in a V shape towards the end of the bolt to the area where the stress is (if you imagine where the crank exits the block to be a pivot point) which happens to be where the bolt ends and looks to be the area in the vicintiy with the least ammoutn of surface area.
I cannot without looking at it though say 100% what caused the initial failure from within the threaded hole area....If I had to hedge a bet it'd be from an inclusion within the material or a lamination or contamination of the metal.
If you dont mind i'd like to have a look and see it close up...i'm in Birmingham and can give you answers. Then you will have ammunition to hit the manufacturer with for a refund/replacement.
I have the afternoon off friday so can nip in then if its convenient.
Dan
Martin
Me and my workmates (material engineers and a few metallurgists) have looked closely at them pictures and we've all come to a rough conclusion that the failure started within the the bolt hole (at end of the projecting tip left on the crank) and has failed upwards in a V shape towards the end of the bolt to the area where the stress is (if you imagine where the crank exits the block to be a pivot point) which happens to be where the bolt ends and looks to be the area in the vicintiy with the least ammoutn of surface area.
I cannot without looking at it though say 100% what caused the initial failure from within the threaded hole area....If I had to hedge a bet it'd be from an inclusion within the material or a lamination or contamination of the metal.
If you dont mind i'd like to have a look and see it close up...i'm in Birmingham and can give you answers. Then you will have ammunition to hit the manufacturer with for a refund/replacement.
I have the afternoon off friday so can nip in then if its convenient.
Dan
#96
Originally Posted by SillyFezzaMk1
Dojj thats not a woodruff key you plank its a part of the material itself. However you are right in saying it has stopped the pulley from coming off....as it looks to me to have kept it on the last thread of the bolt (i.e. the tab has stopped it undoing itself off of the last bit of bolt)
because the break has happened at the woodruft key point, the key has probably prevented more damage by keeping both bits together when the break occoured
#97
Originally Posted by Hardeep_Singh
you dont hang about do you martin!
until that credit card statement arrives....
By then its all sorted and your having fun again.
Good to see cranks arrived and hope all goes well with re-building.
Hope a outcome comes of a warrenty claim too
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Originally Posted by Spiky
fitted yet
#103
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Spiky
fitted yet
#104
Hi Martin,
Just wanted to say publicly that it was superb to have you enter the Final on Sunday and a real buzz to see you circulating, albeit cut short by the crank problem before you really got to stretch your legs.
Fair to say for all concerned it was relief that what happened never caused more damage and that the repair seems well in hand.
Time Attack is not all about ultimate big turbo stupidly mental power, contrary to popular belief, and for this reason I believe a well prepared, set up and driven Cossie can genuinely battle for honours in Pro.
We look forward to seeing you back in Time Attack 08 Martin and getting stuck in amongst the fray.
Keep well,
Glen
Just wanted to say publicly that it was superb to have you enter the Final on Sunday and a real buzz to see you circulating, albeit cut short by the crank problem before you really got to stretch your legs.
Fair to say for all concerned it was relief that what happened never caused more damage and that the repair seems well in hand.
Time Attack is not all about ultimate big turbo stupidly mental power, contrary to popular belief, and for this reason I believe a well prepared, set up and driven Cossie can genuinely battle for honours in Pro.
We look forward to seeing you back in Time Attack 08 Martin and getting stuck in amongst the fray.
Keep well,
Glen
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Originally Posted by Time Attack
Hi Martin,
Just wanted to say publicly that it was superb to have you enter the Final on Sunday and a real buzz to see you circulating, albeit cut short by the crank problem before you really got to stretch your legs.
Fair to say for all concerned it was relief that what happened never caused more damage and that the repair seems well in hand.
Time Attack is not all about ultimate big turbo stupidly mental power, contrary to popular belief, and for this reason I believe a well prepared, set up and driven Cossie can genuinely battle for honours in Pro.
We look forward to seeing you back in Time Attack 08 Martin and getting stuck in amongst the fray.
Keep well,
Glen
Just wanted to say publicly that it was superb to have you enter the Final on Sunday and a real buzz to see you circulating, albeit cut short by the crank problem before you really got to stretch your legs.
Fair to say for all concerned it was relief that what happened never caused more damage and that the repair seems well in hand.
Time Attack is not all about ultimate big turbo stupidly mental power, contrary to popular belief, and for this reason I believe a well prepared, set up and driven Cossie can genuinely battle for honours in Pro.
We look forward to seeing you back in Time Attack 08 Martin and getting stuck in amongst the fray.
Keep well,
Glen
#106
@ martoon with his new crank casually lying
on the floor in the work shop with hundreds of other
discarded bolts etc. 10 a penny eh
if that were mine it wound be on a red carpet for a pic
then quickly cocooned in the thickest bubble wrap ever.
on the floor in the work shop with hundreds of other
discarded bolts etc. 10 a penny eh
if that were mine it wound be on a red carpet for a pic
then quickly cocooned in the thickest bubble wrap ever.
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