Time Attack, What went wrong with the Reyland Escort....
03-09-2007 | 11:33 PM
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hmmm, id be tempted to have it looked out by somekind of test engineer, in the aircraft industry especially theres lots of testing done on every single component, id imagine someone who makes a living by breaking and analysing bits of metal all day may be able to tell if it was a manufacturing fault like a piece of sand or whatever in the casting or a crack/stresspoint that caused it.
may be worth it just from a curiosity point of view! id certainly like to know if it was me anyway!
like everyone else has said mate, you lucky fucker
when you get a second PM me 6 numbers between 1 and 49 
may be worth it just from a curiosity point of view! id certainly like to know if it was me anyway!
like everyone else has said mate, you lucky fucker
when you get a second PM me 6 numbers between 1 and 49
03-09-2007 | 11:53 PM
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Wounder but sooo sooo lucky 
Its the things like that you cant plan for and prevent
Just when you think you have all the angles covered in a build, as soon as the flag drops and the clock starts ticking these mysterious magical things start to happen 
Things that have never shown problems before suddenly crop up and cause a major headache Are you running Lee's Compression Struts in that pic Martin ? I did send the extra replacement parts the day after we spoke
Best of luck with the rebuild
04-09-2007 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Are you running Lee's Compression Struts in that pic Martin ? I did send the extra replacement parts the day after we spoke
Best of luck with the rebuild
Best of luck with the rebuild
04-09-2007 | 07:28 AM
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Mate, all I can say is that your one lucky guy as the worst could of been the end of everything engine-wise!!! Glad it never got to that!
What crank are or should I say 'were' you using?
Sunny.
What crank are or should I say 'were' you using?
Sunny.
04-09-2007 | 07:47 AM
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Thats the first time ive seen it on track and I have to say it looked like it could do the business and boy is there some fast shit out there 
I hope you get it fixed get it mapped for "full boost mental" and get back out there
time attack is here to stay
and boy is there some fast shit out there I hope you get it fixed get it mapped for "full boost mental" and get back out there time attack is here to stay
04-09-2007 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by andrewfgallacher
thats just put me off an uprated crank for my new engine.
was there a reason for it doing that?
was there a reason for it doing that?
Wasn't really an option for Marts engine though.
04-09-2007 | 09:38 AM
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Re: Time Attack, What went wrong with the Reyland Escort....
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
As some of you might know my Escort didn't go as well as it should have at Brands, here's why....
Time Attack gives three 15 min practice sessions before qualifying takes place so as I had never driven there I knew that getting the most out of those was the only way I would ever have any chance of getting anywhere near the missiles that were there. I could have attended the track day laid on for competitors a few days prior to learn the track but sadly I only found out about it at 4pm the very day.
First practice 10am:
Started the car up at 9.50 to get it warmed up, ahhhh it's on three cylinders Faster than a fast thing I whip a new set of plugs out the back of the van and in they go, restarted it and on four again whayhey.
Started the session and after the tyres had warmed up I started trying to get used to the track at this point the car goes back onto three, I decided to try and learn the lines with the misfire but in the back of my mind I was scared I was hurting the engine so I came into the pits and quickly removed the plug leads only to find one had a hole burned in the side...
After finding this I taped it up with insulating tape and ventured back out onto the circuit and all was good for half a lap and then the misfire returned
During that session Steve Fitzpatrick suffered a electric water pump failure and was putting his car back on his trailor so I cheekely asked him if he would lend me a lead, he did. Nice one Steve I took the car up and down the lanes and give it a beating, during which it didn't miss a beat.... Back in business 
2nd practice 1pm:
Sitting in the pits waiting to get on the circuit I noticed a strange oscillating vibration that I had never noticed before, oh well no time to look now so out onto the track I go. Again once the tyres get some heat into them I try to press on but then the car starts popping and banging during each time it completely looses power, I drove it like this for about three laps but it wasn't getting any better Luckily for me someone had a spin so the session was red flagged and we all returned to the pits until the obstruction on track was removed. I opened the bonnet looking for a loose pipe or wire and noticed to my amazement that the crank pulley was running out badly, doh... I thought the bolt had come loose, sadly this was not the case and in fact the nose of the crank had broken off!!
The popping and banging was due to the teeth on the pulley eating the crank sensor. How the timing belt stayed on for several laps and the engine still remained timed up I will never know.
So that was my day over and I was pissed off but at the same time felt really lucky that the belt had stayed on and not mashed my engine to bits.
Thanks to Glen and the Time Attack folk
Time Attack gives three 15 min practice sessions before qualifying takes place so as I had never driven there I knew that getting the most out of those was the only way I would ever have any chance of getting anywhere near the missiles that were there. I could have attended the track day laid on for competitors a few days prior to learn the track but sadly I only found out about it at 4pm the very day.
First practice 10am:
Started the car up at 9.50 to get it warmed up, ahhhh it's on three cylinders
Faster than a fast thing I whip a new set of plugs out the back of the van and in they go, restarted it and on four again whayhey.Started the session and after the tyres had warmed up I started trying to get used to the track at this point the car goes back onto three, I decided to try and learn the lines with the misfire but in the back of my mind I was scared I was hurting the engine so I came into the pits and quickly removed the plug leads only to find one had a hole burned in the side...
After finding this I taped it up with insulating tape and ventured back out onto the circuit and all was good for half a lap and then the misfire returned
During that session Steve Fitzpatrick suffered a electric water pump failure and was putting his car back on his trailor so I cheekely asked him if he would lend me a lead, he did. Nice one Steve
I took the car up and down the lanes and give it a beating, during which it didn't miss a beat.... Back in business 2nd practice 1pm:
Sitting in the pits waiting to get on the circuit I noticed a strange oscillating vibration that I had never noticed before, oh well no time to look now so out onto the track I go. Again once the tyres get some heat into them I try to press on but then the car starts popping and banging during each time it completely looses power, I drove it like this for about three laps but it wasn't getting any better
Luckily for me someone had a spin so the session was red flagged and we all returned to the pits until the obstruction on track was removed. I opened the bonnet looking for a loose pipe or wire and noticed to my amazement that the crank pulley was running out badly, doh... I thought the bolt had come loose, sadly this was not the case and in fact the nose of the crank had broken off!! The popping and banging was due to the teeth on the pulley eating the crank sensor. How the timing belt stayed on for several laps and the engine still remained timed up I will never know.
So that was my day over and I was pissed off but at the same time felt really lucky that the belt had stayed on and not mashed my engine to bits.
Thanks to Glen and the Time Attack folk
looks to me as though the person who built the engine has over tightened the crank shaft bolt
04-09-2007 | 09:49 AM
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Re: Time Attack, What went wrong with the Reyland Escort....
Originally Posted by Cossiemaster
looks to me as though the person who built the engine has over tightened the crank shaft bolt
Excessive stress has certainly been placed on the nose of the crank, but I dont see how you can see where that stress came from by looking at that picture.
04-09-2007 | 09:57 AM
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Re: Time Attack, What went wrong with the Reyland Escort....
Originally Posted by Cossiemaster
looks to me as though the person who built the engine has over tightened the crank shaft bolt
04-09-2007 | 10:09 AM
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Re: Time Attack, What went wrong with the Reyland Escort....
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Cossiemaster
looks to me as though the person who built the engine has over tightened the crank shaft bolt
04-09-2007 | 10:15 AM
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Will you be running with another Farndon crank.
Shame to see that happend but thank those lucky stars it did not shear clean off when running.
Is there a rated torque level these cranks can run to, im presuming with materials used they should easily run the power you have.
Shame to see that happend but thank those lucky stars it did not shear clean off when running.
Is there a rated torque level these cranks can run to, im presuming with materials used they should easily run the power you have.
04-09-2007 | 10:17 AM
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Will you be running with another Farndon crank.
Shame to see that happend but thank those lucky stars it did not shear clean off when running.
Is there a rated torque level these cranks can run to, im presuming with materials used they should easily run the power you have.
Shame to see that happend but thank those lucky stars it did not shear clean off when running.
Is there a rated torque level these cranks can run to, im presuming with materials used they should easily run the power you have.
04-09-2007 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RS500
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
How it looks now Zero BHP
Zero BHPAnyway good luck with the repairs.
04-09-2007 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch_Dealer
...could it not have been overtightened then? ....Its a rare occurence isnt it?...What torque setting did you use?
....Its a rare occurence isnt it?...What torque setting did you use?
04-09-2007 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch_Dealer
...could it not have been overtightened then? ....Its a rare occurence isnt it?...What torque setting did you use?
....Its a rare occurence isnt it?...What torque setting did you use?Quite familiar I should think
04-09-2007 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Bosch_Dealer
...could it not have been overtightened then? ....Its a rare occurence isnt it?...What torque setting did you use?
....Its a rare occurence isnt it?...What torque setting did you use?Quite familiar I should think
actually funny
04-09-2007 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Bosch_Dealer
...could it not have been overtightened then? ....Its a rare occurence isnt it?...What torque setting did you use?
....Its a rare occurence isnt it?...What torque setting did you use?Quite familiar I should think
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04-09-2007 | 02:06 PM
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h mart
speak to the people that sold you the crank and tell them that it's broken
and demand a new crank
im sure they will sort you out a new one , the engine isn't even 2000 miles old yet
well one good thing atleast the belt stayed on and your engine is saved
good job the red flag was out i know building another engine like yours wouldn't be cheap
see you the weekend, Croft is great track Mart you will love it book it for next yr
marco
speak to the people that sold you the crank and tell them that it's broken
and demand a new crank
im sure they will sort you out a new one , the engine isn't even 2000 miles old yet
well one good thing atleast the belt stayed on and your engine is saved
good job the red flag was out
i know building another engine like yours wouldn't be cheap see you the weekend, Croft is great track Mart you will love it book it for next yr
marco
