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04-09-2007, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Yes I am sure Mark would really struggle to build a race engine... 
Actually, for most racing I believe he would struggle as building race engines is mainly about interpreting all the excessive rules they are surrounded by and I suspect he knows little of such things as its not what he specialises in, he is about trying to push the envelope not stay within an artificial one created by rules or redtape.
04-09-2007, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Porkie
Yes I am sure Mark would really struggle to build a race engine...
Actually, for most racing I believe he would struggle as building race engines is mainly about interpreting all the excessive rules they are surrounded by and I suspect he knows little of such things as its not what he specialises in, he is about trying to push the envelope not stay within an artificial one created by rules or redtape.
04-09-2007, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Porkie
Yes I am sure Mark would really struggle to build a race engine...
Actually, for most racing I believe he would struggle as building race engines is mainly about interpreting all the excessive rules they are surrounded by and I suspect he knows little of such things as its not what he specialises in, he is about trying to push the envelope not stay within an artificial one created by rules or redtape.
The sort of stuff you are calling racing, isnt really very typical of racing in general, most race series you have a very specific set of rules that the engine must conform to, and Im just pointing out that getting the most within that set of rules relies largely on having years of practice doing so.
Race engines and road engines are very different in that respect, so im just highlighting the difference, to use an analogy that you might be able to relate to, someone who is amazing at karate, might be pretty average in the boxing ring with so many more rules, as its not what they have worked towards being good at, and vice versa.
04-09-2007, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Porkie
Yes I am sure Mark would really struggle to build a race engine...
Actually, for most racing I believe he would struggle as building race engines is mainly about interpreting all the excessive rules they are surrounded by and I suspect he knows little of such things as its not what he specialises in, he is about trying to push the envelope not stay within an artificial one created by rules or redtape.
The sort of stuff you are calling racing, isnt really very typical of racing in general, most race series you have a very specific set of rules that the engine must conform to, and Im just pointing out that getting the most within that set of rules relies largely on having years of practice doing so.
Race engines and road engines are very different in that respect, so im just highlighting the difference, to use an analogy that you might be able to relate to, someone who is amazing at karate, might be pretty average in the boxing ring with so many more rules, as its not what they have worked towards being good at, and vice versa.
no rules or red tape for engines in the racing i do as long car make and engine are same
04-09-2007, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by andrewfgallacher
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Porkie
Yes I am sure Mark would really struggle to build a race engine...
Actually, for most racing I believe he would struggle as building race engines is mainly about interpreting all the excessive rules they are surrounded by and I suspect he knows little of such things as its not what he specialises in, he is about trying to push the envelope not stay within an artificial one created by rules or redtape.
The sort of stuff you are calling racing, isnt really very typical of racing in general, most race series you have a very specific set of rules that the engine must conform to, and Im just pointing out that getting the most within that set of rules relies largely on having years of practice doing so.
Race engines and road engines are very different in that respect, so im just highlighting the difference, to use an analogy that you might be able to relate to, someone who is amazing at karate, might be pretty average in the boxing ring with so many more rules, as its not what they have worked towards being good at, and vice versa.
no rules or red tape for engines in the racing i do as long car make and engine are same
Yes mate, Im aware of that, but thats relatively unusual in the world of motorsport as a whole, most motorsport has limits on either the size of certain components (such as engine capacity limits or valve sizes etc) or a restrictor of some form (such as rallying) or even things like specifying a particular cam that must be used.
Its those things that require specific experience of the formula in question to really get the best from an engine IMHO
Stuff like your car, im sure Mark would be fantastic at doing, and im also sure he would find it very interesting, I suspect the red-taped motorsports he might find a bit less interesting due to all the restrictions.
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Originally Posted by andrewfgallacher
no rules or red tape for engines in the racing i do as long car make and engine are same
04-09-2007, 03:49 PM
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This has been a interesting read 
This is aimed at the people who disbelive all my engine figs not the ones asking questions about this one,
What happens when I take a engine to Norris then straight to Julian Godfrey and it makes the same numbers
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Mark
This is aimed at the people who disbelive all my engine figs not the ones asking questions about this one,
What happens when I take a engine to Norris then straight to Julian Godfrey and it makes the same numbers
.Mark
04-09-2007, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by andrewfgallacher
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Porkie
Yes I am sure Mark would really struggle to build a race engine...
Actually, for most racing I believe he would struggle as building race engines is mainly about interpreting all the excessive rules they are surrounded by and I suspect he knows little of such things as its not what he specialises in, he is about trying to push the envelope not stay within an artificial one created by rules or redtape.
The sort of stuff you are calling racing, isnt really very typical of racing in general, most race series you have a very specific set of rules that the engine must conform to, and Im just pointing out that getting the most within that set of rules relies largely on having years of practice doing so.
Race engines and road engines are very different in that respect, so im just highlighting the difference, to use an analogy that you might be able to relate to, someone who is amazing at karate, might be pretty average in the boxing ring with so many more rules, as its not what they have worked towards being good at, and vice versa.
no rules or red tape for engines in the racing i do as long car make and engine are same
Yes mate, Im aware of that, but thats relatively unusual in the world of motorsport as a whole, most motorsport has limits on either the size of certain components (such as engine capacity limits or valve sizes etc) or a restrictor of some form (such as rallying) or even things like specifying a particular cam that must be used.
Its those things that require specific experience of the formula in question to really get the best from an engine IMHO
Stuff like your car, im sure Mark would be fantastic at doing, and im also sure he would find it very interesting, I suspect the red-taped motorsports he might find a bit less interesting due to all the restrictions.
I think you are slightly misgiuded here working within rules and ristrictions would have no effect on whether it a race engine as you work to optimise the package, I do this rather well with the road engines
race engines are no diff other than if using a restictor your not going to make 600hp out of a 32mm restrictor 
so you optimise it to suit.Mark
04-09-2007, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
So what you are saying is that if you rate a turbo for lets say 800bhp, then stik a HUGE wastegate on it and it will flow 1000bhp if the kompressor is up for it?
Please can you explain which part of the turbo you are referring to as "rated for 800bhp" in tat question, as going back to the turbo this thread is about we have already explained to you how a GT35R is rated by garrett for the figures that have been achieved here on the compressor maps they publish.
Whatever point you are trying to make about the turbine side, you arent making it very well im afraid.
So if garret rate there turbo`s at 600bhp with an .82 turbine, they have surely tested this?
Unless that what you are saying is that if you stick an external wastegate on it then it could easy flow 100bhp more?
Everywhere I read on the net, a YB is rated to 204bhp, and yet we all seem to manage a little more than that.
I think you are taking general statements and taking them too literally.
Garrett rate the turbo as suitable for 400-600bhp, they are NOT saying you cant get more, just that this is the range in which the turbo is particuarly comfortable for long periods of use on a wide variety of engines, it doesnt mean that it cant make a little more in a very specific case.
An sirten Green escort had an gt-35/1.06 on it and max power was 657bhp on 98ron @ 2,4bar, later it had an gt40 on it and it was 749bhp with same size wg.
An Audi S2 did 607bhp with an gt-35/.82turbine, 659bhp with an gt-35/1.06 @ 1,9bar and 788 bhp on an gt-40.
Can name some supra`s also, but i think you get my idea.
Garrett rate the GT35 at 63lb min and they are known to be concerative with the figs so it is beliveable to achive it,
BTW I have run a 2.2lt Evo engine on the dyno at 731hp on a GT37 with a .63ar exhaust housing PT turbo.
Mark
04-09-2007, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
We'd hold a big power RR day. I would suggest ONLY using power at the wheels figures for this, not even discussing estimated flywheel figures.
I can also plot Tractive effort, which is the raw power value that the dyno measures to derive Torque.
Additionally, I can provide and graph to prove conclusively that the car didn't wheelspin.
I can also plot Tractive effort, which is the raw power value that the dyno measures to derive Torque.
Additionally, I can provide and graph to prove conclusively that the car didn't wheelspin.
We could get a mag involved too.
Come on guys, stick those cars on a trailer and bring them up to Scotchland
04-09-2007, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
So what you are saying is that if you rate a turbo for lets say 800bhp, then stik a HUGE wastegate on it and it will flow 1000bhp if the kompressor is up for it?
Please can you explain which part of the turbo you are referring to as "rated for 800bhp" in tat question, as going back to the turbo this thread is about we have already explained to you how a GT35R is rated by garrett for the figures that have been achieved here on the compressor maps they publish.
Whatever point you are trying to make about the turbine side, you arent making it very well im afraid.
So if garret rate there turbo`s at 600bhp with an .82 turbine, they have surely tested this?
Unless that what you are saying is that if you stick an external wastegate on it then it could easy flow 100bhp more?
Everywhere I read on the net, a YB is rated to 204bhp, and yet we all seem to manage a little more than that.
I think you are taking general statements and taking them too literally.
Garrett rate the turbo as suitable for 400-600bhp, they are NOT saying you cant get more, just that this is the range in which the turbo is particuarly comfortable for long periods of use on a wide variety of engines, it doesnt mean that it cant make a little more in a very specific case.
An sirten Green escort had an gt-35/1.06 on it and max power was 657bhp on 98ron @ 2,4bar, later it had an gt40 on it and it was 749bhp with same size wg.
An Audi S2 did 607bhp with an gt-35/.82turbine, 659bhp with an gt-35/1.06 @ 1,9bar and 788 bhp on an gt-40.
Can name some supra`s also, but i think you get my idea.
Garrett rate the GT35 at 63lb min and they are known to be concerative with the figs so it is beliveable to achive it,
BTW I have run a 2.2lt Evo engine on the dyno at 731hp on a GT37 with a .63ar exhaust housing PT turbo.
Mark
The only thing i noticed was that you are the first that i know of that have gotten more out of theese turbos then any other i know, And that`s cool
BUT you guys push the boundries all the time, so surely you can understand that some time`s people ask questians about it?
This time it was the turbo, not the engine.
So instead of complaining that people ask questions, then why not explaining people just enough without reveling your secrets?
And i know that PT turbos are modified garret turbos, and they are actually quite nice
04-09-2007, 06:21 PM
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Well i do know this, but the actual main reason is actually that in denmark, there is a lot of different cars running gt35 turbo`s both on .82 and 1.06 trim and the max power they are getting are actually what garret state on the diff. turbine`s
An sirten Green escort had an gt-35/1.06 on it and max power was 657bhp on 98ron @ 2,4bar, later it had an gt40 on it and it was 749bhp with same size wg.
An Audi S2 did 607bhp with an gt-35/.82turbine, 659bhp with an gt-35/1.06 @ 1,9bar and 788 bhp on an gt-40.
Can name some supra`s also, but i think you get my idea.
An sirten Green escort had an gt-35/1.06 on it and max power was 657bhp on 98ron @ 2,4bar, later it had an gt40 on it and it was 749bhp with same size wg.
An Audi S2 did 607bhp with an gt-35/.82turbine, 659bhp with an gt-35/1.06 @ 1,9bar and 788 bhp on an gt-40.
Can name some supra`s also, but i think you get my idea.
04-09-2007, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
So what you are saying is that if you rate a turbo for lets say 800bhp, then stik a HUGE wastegate on it and it will flow 1000bhp if the kompressor is up for it?
Please can you explain which part of the turbo you are referring to as "rated for 800bhp" in tat question, as going back to the turbo this thread is about we have already explained to you how a GT35R is rated by garrett for the figures that have been achieved here on the compressor maps they publish.
Whatever point you are trying to make about the turbine side, you arent making it very well im afraid.
So if garret rate there turbo`s at 600bhp with an .82 turbine, they have surely tested this?
Unless that what you are saying is that if you stick an external wastegate on it then it could easy flow 100bhp more?
Everywhere I read on the net, a YB is rated to 204bhp, and yet we all seem to manage a little more than that.
I think you are taking general statements and taking them too literally.
Garrett rate the turbo as suitable for 400-600bhp, they are NOT saying you cant get more, just that this is the range in which the turbo is particuarly comfortable for long periods of use on a wide variety of engines, it doesnt mean that it cant make a little more in a very specific case.
An sirten Green escort had an gt-35/1.06 on it and max power was 657bhp on 98ron @ 2,4bar, later it had an gt40 on it and it was 749bhp with same size wg.
An Audi S2 did 607bhp with an gt-35/.82turbine, 659bhp with an gt-35/1.06 @ 1,9bar and 788 bhp on an gt-40.
Can name some supra`s also, but i think you get my idea.
Garrett rate the GT35 at 63lb min and they are known to be concerative with the figs so it is beliveable to achive it,
BTW I have run a 2.2lt Evo engine on the dyno at 731hp on a GT37 with a .63ar exhaust housing PT turbo.
Mark
The only thing i noticed was that you are the first that i know of that have gotten more out of theese turbos then any other i know, And that`s cool
BUT you guys push the boundries all the time, so surely you can understand that some time`s people ask questians about it?
This time it was the turbo, not the engine.
So instead of complaining that people ask questions, then why not explaining people just enough without reveling your secrets?
And i know that PT turbos are modified garret turbos, and they are actually quite nice
RWD_cossie_wil wrote:
nice any idea on the rough engine spec please?
No as its Mad spec rough spec 8mm longer rods, diff comp ratio,Swedish inlet, eec4 throttle body,Mad head/cams, Autronic SM4,2lt stock crank, Primary desgines inconel manifold only avl through me .
Mark
04-09-2007, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Come on guys, stick those cars on a trailer and bring them up to Scotchland
and thanks to all my friends who have done it for me
Twins were my latest victims on sunday 
04-09-2007, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
We'd hold a big power RR day. I would suggest ONLY using power at the wheels figures for this, not even discussing estimated flywheel figures.
I can also plot Tractive effort, which is the raw power value that the dyno measures to derive Torque.
Additionally, I can provide and graph to prove conclusively that the car didn't wheelspin.
I can also plot Tractive effort, which is the raw power value that the dyno measures to derive Torque.
Additionally, I can provide and graph to prove conclusively that the car didn't wheelspin.
We could get a mag involved too.
Come on guys, stick those cars on a trailer and bring them up to Scotchland
Now that would be a good laugh
04-09-2007, 07:39 PM
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gotta say i find it quite sad when someone comes up pleased what they got and people slate them or the tuner.....
Same thing happened to me when i put my figures up after being SM4'd and mapped by mark...
Dont listen to them ade congrats and well done mark and the team
Ad
Same thing happened to me when i put my figures up after being SM4'd and mapped by mark...
Dont listen to them ade congrats and well done mark and the team
Ad
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by cossiemanden
So what you are saying is that if you rate a turbo for lets say 800bhp, then stik a HUGE wastegate on it and it will flow 1000bhp if the kompressor is up for it?
Please can you explain which part of the turbo you are referring to as "rated for 800bhp" in tat question, as going back to the turbo this thread is about we have already explained to you how a GT35R is rated by garrett for the figures that have been achieved here on the compressor maps they publish.
Whatever point you are trying to make about the turbine side, you arent making it very well im afraid.
So if garret rate there turbo`s at 600bhp with an .82 turbine, they have surely tested this?
Unless that what you are saying is that if you stick an external wastegate on it then it could easy flow 100bhp more?
Everywhere I read on the net, a YB is rated to 204bhp, and yet we all seem to manage a little more than that.
I think you are taking general statements and taking them too literally.
Garrett rate the turbo as suitable for 400-600bhp, they are NOT saying you cant get more, just that this is the range in which the turbo is particuarly comfortable for long periods of use on a wide variety of engines, it doesnt mean that it cant make a little more in a very specific case.
An sirten Green escort had an gt-35/1.06 on it and max power was 657bhp on 98ron @ 2,4bar, later it had an gt40 on it and it was 749bhp with same size wg.
An Audi S2 did 607bhp with an gt-35/.82turbine, 659bhp with an gt-35/1.06 @ 1,9bar and 788 bhp on an gt-40.
Can name some supra`s also, but i think you get my idea.
Garrett rate the GT35 at 63lb min and they are known to be concerative with the figs so it is beliveable to achive it,
BTW I have run a 2.2lt Evo engine on the dyno at 731hp on a GT37 with a .63ar exhaust housing PT turbo.
Mark
The only thing i noticed was that you are the first that i know of that have gotten more out of theese turbos then any other i know, And that`s cool
BUT you guys push the boundries all the time, so surely you can understand that some time`s people ask questians about it?
This time it was the turbo, not the engine.
So instead of complaining that people ask questions, then why not explaining people just enough without reveling your secrets?
And i know that PT turbos are modified garret turbos, and they are actually quite nice
RWD_cossie_wil wrote:
nice any idea on the rough engine spec please?
No as its Mad spec rough spec 8mm longer rods, diff comp ratio,Swedish inlet, eec4 throttle body,Mad head/cams, Autronic SM4,2lt stock crank, Primary desgines inconel manifold only avl through me .
Mark
Thank you for that, have missed that for some reason
Looks nice
04-09-2007, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Homer.
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
We'd hold a big power RR day. I would suggest ONLY using power at the wheels figures for this, not even discussing estimated flywheel figures.
I can also plot Tractive effort, which is the raw power value that the dyno measures to derive Torque.
Additionally, I can provide and graph to prove conclusively that the car didn't wheelspin.
I can also plot Tractive effort, which is the raw power value that the dyno measures to derive Torque.
Additionally, I can provide and graph to prove conclusively that the car didn't wheelspin.
We could get a mag involved too.
Come on guys, stick those cars on a trailer and bring them up to Scotchland
Now that would be a good laugh
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Originally Posted by Cossiemaster
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
I'm not saying you add 20bhp to the whole plot. I'm saying you make one adjustment to add 20bhp to the PEAK. This has a knock-on effect of changing every other single reading by a greater or lesser degree depending at what rpm it is, but peak torque (and quite probably the lower end power figures) are definitely changed by a greater amount than the 20bhp peak change....
I'm not saying you add 20bhp to the whole plot
. I'm saying you make one adjustment to add 20bhp to the PEAK. This has a knock-on effect of changing every other single reading by a greater or lesser degree depending at what rpm it is, but peak torque (and quite probably the lower end power figures) are definitely changed by a greater amount than the 20bhp peak change....How come none of these mad engines are used for racing (proper racing)
Building an engine for racing is a different story than building an engine for some nugget on the road giving it a blast up a bypass.
Best use SCS.
Its very clear to see just from the proved performance of his engines and the attention he also gives when preparing his customers cars he is in a different league to SCS
Also I think its fooking funny that a certain tuner attempted to rubbish him a few years ago in a poor attempt I imagine to put him out of business. I bet Mark now laughs his fooking head off every time one of 'his' cars does the business....!!!
05-09-2007, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dannn
Originally Posted by Cossiemaster
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
I'm not saying you add 20bhp to the whole plot. I'm saying you make one adjustment to add 20bhp to the PEAK. This has a knock-on effect of changing every other single reading by a greater or lesser degree depending at what rpm it is, but peak torque (and quite probably the lower end power figures) are definitely changed by a greater amount than the 20bhp peak change....
I'm not saying you add 20bhp to the whole plot
. I'm saying you make one adjustment to add 20bhp to the PEAK. This has a knock-on effect of changing every other single reading by a greater or lesser degree depending at what rpm it is, but peak torque (and quite probably the lower end power figures) are definitely changed by a greater amount than the 20bhp peak change....How come none of these mad engines are used for racing (proper racing)
Building an engine for racing is a different story than building an engine for some nugget on the road giving it a blast up a bypass.
Best use SCS.
Its very clear to see just from the proved performance of his engines and the attention he also gives when preparing his customers cars he is in a different league to SCS
Also I think its fooking funny that a certain tuner attempted to rubbish him a few years ago in a poor attempt I imagine to put him out of business. I bet Mark now laughs his fooking head off every time one of 'his' cars does the business....!!!
Thanks for that I appreciate that
not sure about the masks but hey Ill live with that Mark
06-09-2007, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Dann
Thanks for that I appreciate that
not sure about the masks but hey Ill live with that Mark
You must be making a small fortune out of those masks
!Dan
06-09-2007, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dannn
Its very clear to see just from the proved performance of his engines and the attention he also gives when preparing his customers cars he is in a different league to SCS
Also I think its fooking funny that a certain tuner attempted to rubbish him a few years ago in a poor attempt I imagine to put him out of business. I bet Mark now laughs his fooking head off every time one of 'his' cars does the business....!!!
Also I think its fooking funny that a certain tuner attempted to rubbish him a few years ago in a poor attempt I imagine to put him out of business. I bet Mark now laughs his fooking head off every time one of 'his' cars does the business....!!!
another helpfull *** customer actually rang me up & said he could help me sue Mark. Within a few weeks my car had reached a final at totb & set a new Topspeed record. THOSE WERE THE DAYS.
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Originally Posted by MadRod
Originally Posted by Dannn
Its very clear to see just from the proved performance of his engines and the attention he also gives when preparing his customers cars he is in a different league to SCS
Also I think its fooking funny that a certain tuner attempted to rubbish him a few years ago in a poor attempt I imagine to put him out of business. I bet Mark now laughs his fooking head off every time one of 'his' cars does the business....!!!
Also I think its fooking funny that a certain tuner attempted to rubbish him a few years ago in a poor attempt I imagine to put him out of business. I bet Mark now laughs his fooking head off every time one of 'his' cars does the business....!!!
another helpfull *** customer actually rang me up & said he could help me sue Mark. Within a few weeks my car had reached a final at totb & set a new Topspeed record. THOSE WERE THE DAYS.
. I think I was being quite honorable, as I could have just stuck the boot in and rubbished the figures, but I have never done that
07-09-2007, 07:55 AM
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That is between Rod and Mark as far as I am concerned, it is also up to Rod / Mark to post that up, should they chose to do so.
It's so long ago now, that it is really immaterial.
Given that I told only three close friends, one person who CRAZED to be told and a business associate at that time, I know EXACTLY who told Rod the above.
It's so long ago now, that it is really immaterial.
Given that I told only three close friends, one person who CRAZED to be told and a business associate at that time, I know EXACTLY who told Rod the above
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07-09-2007, 08:27 AM
#269
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
That is between Rod and Mark as far as I am concerned, it is also up to Rod / Mark to post that up, should they chose to do so.
It's so long ago now, that it is really immaterial.
Given that I told only three close friends, one person who CRAZED to be told and a business associate at that time, I know EXACTLY who told Rod the above.
It's so long ago now, that it is really immaterial.
Given that I told only three close friends, one person who CRAZED to be told and a business associate at that time, I know EXACTLY who told Rod the above
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07-09-2007, 08:38 AM
#271
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Given that I told only three close friends, one person who CRAZED to be told and a business associate at that time, I know EXACTLY who told Rod the above .
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08-09-2007, 07:12 AM
#278
Happily retired
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Dannn
Mu guess who told Rod was a rather large/huge person who owned a white three door who changed from using Mark to Harvey...
08-09-2007, 07:43 AM
#279
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Ive always to tell the whole story so here goes. My engine was on the Dyno same day as Bruce, first thing to say was Bruces was a Balls out Power engine & made big Power at the time 541bhp, mine was a road engine & Mark was trying to get big torque low down & maybe just maybe it could manage 500bhp.
On a safe map it made 488bhp/492ft-lb, I asked what I needed to do to make it 500bhp so 1.5 more ignition was added & it showed 504bhp. I had a switch in the car so the extra Power could be used if decent Petrol was used. Below I show the actual graph.
This was the greatest MAD engine I ever owned & proved the best of the bunch it beat Bruce at every event we met , its the reason he went to Martin as he accused Mark of favouring my engine when setting up for events, it was a road engine & just turned up, Mark did not even have to lift the bonnet : It ran
0-100 8.2
11.8 quarter (at a time when this was regarded as impossible)
& maxed at 183.3 (RWD Topspeed record)
Since that day all my engines have compromised Topend power for torque & my new engine will be no different.
Harvey didnt know I was there I suspect & started the rumours that Marks engine was a dud & I had been ripped off etc. It escalated & it was one of several reasons I started to competed with the car to stuff the rumours up a certain assholes asshole. .
On a safe map it made 488bhp/492ft-lb, I asked what I needed to do to make it 500bhp so 1.5 more ignition was added & it showed 504bhp. I had a switch in the car so the extra Power could be used if decent Petrol was used. Below I show the actual graph.
This was the greatest MAD engine I ever owned & proved the best of the bunch it beat Bruce at every event we met , its the reason he went to Martin as he accused Mark of favouring my engine when setting up for events, it was a road engine & just turned up, Mark did not even have to lift the bonnet : It ran
0-100 8.2
11.8 quarter (at a time when this was regarded as impossible)
& maxed at 183.3 (RWD Topspeed record)
Since that day all my engines have compromised Topend power for torque & my new engine will be no different.
Harvey didnt know I was there I suspect & started the rumours that Marks engine was a dud & I had been ripped off etc. It escalated & it was one of several reasons I started to competed with the car to stuff the rumours up a certain assholes asshole.
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