General Car Related Discussion. To discuss anything that is related to cars and automotive technology that doesnt naturally fit into another forum catagory.

How will a 230bhp escort turbo compair to a 350bhp cosworth?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 15-08-2007, 12:14 AM
  #41  
Charlie Chalk
Unknown.
iTrader: (1)
 
Charlie Chalk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: ...
Posts: 50,873
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Ginge, A Nova is from the same era as the RST's and Cossies


I don't see personally how you can say "ITS A FUCKING NOVA"


when the other two are "A FUCKING ESCORT" or "A FUCKING SIERRA!"



Old 15-08-2007, 12:21 AM
  #42  
JonnyBravo
10K+ Poster!!
 
JonnyBravo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Huntingdon
Posts: 11,058
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

I dont personally think most birds find a car with solid suspension and a noisy exhaust a turn on.

Roll up in your nice BMW and then I'd say you are more likely to impress.

Out of the choice of a nova or RS Turbo I would take a nova anyday, much better all rounder IMO , one can moan that you need a LET to be fast but very few stick with a cvh anymore do they.

Both are fun cars though which IMO is what counts
Old 15-08-2007, 12:29 AM
  #43  
XRT_si
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (2)
 
XRT_si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: London
Posts: 6,861
Received 54 Likes on 51 Posts
Default

I had a bit of a problem explaining to my bird why i was selling my 325 coupe with air con and cream leather to fund a Zetec Turbo engine
Old 15-08-2007, 12:33 AM
  #44  
Charlie Chalk
Unknown.
iTrader: (1)
 
Charlie Chalk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: ...
Posts: 50,873
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by XRT_si
I had a bit of a problem explaining to my bird why i was selling my 325 coupe with air con and cream leather to fund a Zetec Turbo engine

LOL!
Old 16-08-2007, 10:14 PM
  #45  
GINGExR2 T
Advanced PassionFord User
iTrader: (1)
 
GINGExR2 T's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: South Wales
Posts: 1,702
Received 13 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by XRT_si
I had a bit of a problem explaining to my bird why i was selling my 325 coupe with air con and cream leather to fund a Zetec Turbo engine
I keep telling my missus we can't afford to buy her a new car, but i always manage to find ŁŁŁŁ for the fezzy
Old 16-08-2007, 10:41 PM
  #46  
Luca
Lukesville
iTrader: (2)
 
Luca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Portsmouth
Posts: 9,668
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

For full on 0 - top speed a cossie would win hands down.

But for instance i can keep a 380 bhp escos 4x4 of my tail from 30 - 130 no problems, but i have a car thats set up to do it. Its down to the power to weight ratio of the car....

With all the right parts for handling the power - quaife box, rose jointed adjustable arms etc mine will not loose traction at all.... unless wet of course lol.

if any one has seen the video on here of Andrew G focus at knockhill the caterhams are giving that car hell of good run.. with probably half the power, as its half the weight.

however a cossie will piss past me once 130 is reached and i cant catch it for shit.

my car is 300 bhp per tonne
a 380 bhp 4x4 cossie is 299 bhp per tonne - less power loss through transmission..

Differrant engines have differant power delivery so who knows if it will ever ever happen lol
Old 16-08-2007, 10:47 PM
  #47  
Luca
Lukesville
iTrader: (2)
 
Luca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Portsmouth
Posts: 9,668
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

In answer to the question the erst aint got a bloody chance lol
Old 16-08-2007, 11:12 PM
  #48  
SS1
10K+ Poster!!
iTrader: (3)
 
SS1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Racing the clouds home
Posts: 13,285
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Ginge !

we must meet some time.you can have a go of the old smoky

the grin factor is 100%

the pull in 5th gear is unreal

the down factor is the deleted parts & expensive when you can get them

you should have bought it when you had the chance

flawless
Old 17-08-2007, 01:08 AM
  #49  
Micky
Advanced PassionFord User
 
Micky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Dublin,IRELAND
Posts: 1,990
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

My 180 BHP rst has beaten many a Cossie around Combe and Donno over the years,a few of the owners are on this site,as are the witness's.The thing I've noticed about the Cossie is its all about straight line power,but it cant get around corners.Regards,Micky
Old 17-08-2007, 01:24 AM
  #50  
ryan_belfast
Advanced PassionFord User
 
ryan_belfast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 2,388
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
Old 17-08-2007, 08:02 AM
  #51  
Luca
Lukesville
iTrader: (2)
 
Luca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Portsmouth
Posts: 9,668
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by ryan_belfast
well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
power to weight ratio - your car is still full with interior etc i presume
Old 17-08-2007, 08:07 AM
  #52  
joo5ty
Wahay!! I've lost my Virginity!!
Thread Starter
 
joo5ty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Amsterdam
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ryan_belfast
well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
well isnt that due to the point that the amount of bhp cant be handled any more? I guess at 300bhp you cant get your wheels sticked to the road at any gear?

can one say that above +/- 240bhp (if you think of the torque that usually comes with that) in a RS Turbo isnt a nice car to drive anymore, because of the wheelspin?
Old 17-08-2007, 08:14 AM
  #53  
Luca
Lukesville
iTrader: (2)
 
Luca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Portsmouth
Posts: 9,668
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by joo5ty
Originally Posted by ryan_belfast
well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
well isnt that due to the point that the amount of bhp cant be handled any more? I guess at 300bhp you cant get your wheels sticked to the road at any gear?

can one say that above +/- 240bhp (if you think of the torque that usually comes with that) in a RS Turbo isnt a nice car to drive anymore, because of the wheelspin?
Set up properly for track and a good map with decent engine managment and you wont get wheelspin at 240bhp.

I dont know about any higher bhp.. but il let you know with the new engine...
Old 17-08-2007, 08:26 AM
  #54  
CliffRS4
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (1)
 
CliffRS4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 4,449
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by m4dyeti
Originally Posted by joo5ty
Originally Posted by ryan_belfast
well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
well isnt that due to the point that the amount of bhp cant be handled any more? I guess at 300bhp you cant get your wheels sticked to the road at any gear?

can one say that above +/- 240bhp (if you think of the torque that usually comes with that) in a RS Turbo isnt a nice car to drive anymore, because of the wheelspin?
Set up properly for track and a good map with decent engine managment and you wont get wheelspin at 240bhp.

I dont know about any higher bhp.. but il let you know with the new engine...
The problem we are having to explain that people don't seem to get is that many people with rst's spend a hell of alot of money making the car go fast in a straight line but pennies on the handling side.

Like you m4dyeti I have spent a fair few quid on the suspension side of things

Totally transforms the cars doesn't it
Old 17-08-2007, 08:57 AM
  #55  
Luca
Lukesville
iTrader: (2)
 
Luca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Portsmouth
Posts: 9,668
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Cliff S1
Originally Posted by m4dyeti
Originally Posted by joo5ty
Originally Posted by ryan_belfast
well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
well isnt that due to the point that the amount of bhp cant be handled any more? I guess at 300bhp you cant get your wheels sticked to the road at any gear?

can one say that above +/- 240bhp (if you think of the torque that usually comes with that) in a RS Turbo isnt a nice car to drive anymore, because of the wheelspin?
Set up properly for track and a good map with decent engine managment and you wont get wheelspin at 240bhp.

I dont know about any higher bhp.. but il let you know with the new engine...
The problem we are having to explain that people don't seem to get is that many people with rst's spend a hell of alot of money making the car go fast in a straight line but pennies on the handling side.

Like you m4dyeti I have spent a fair few quid on the suspension side of things

Totally transforms the cars doesn't it

Certainly does, how is your zetec coming along mate - im just strting to purchase the main bits for mine..
Old 17-08-2007, 09:43 AM
  #56  
CliffRS4
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (1)
 
CliffRS4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 4,449
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by m4dyeti
Originally Posted by Cliff S1
Originally Posted by m4dyeti
Originally Posted by joo5ty
Originally Posted by ryan_belfast
well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
well isnt that due to the point that the amount of bhp cant be handled any more? I guess at 300bhp you cant get your wheels sticked to the road at any gear?

can one say that above +/- 240bhp (if you think of the torque that usually comes with that) in a RS Turbo isnt a nice car to drive anymore, because of the wheelspin?
Set up properly for track and a good map with decent engine managment and you wont get wheelspin at 240bhp.

I dont know about any higher bhp.. but il let you know with the new engine...
The problem we are having to explain that people don't seem to get is that many people with rst's spend a hell of alot of money making the car go fast in a straight line but pennies on the handling side.

Like you m4dyeti I have spent a fair few quid on the suspension side of things

Totally transforms the cars doesn't it

Certainly does, how is your zetec coming along mate - im just strting to purchase the main bits for mine..
If you are at National Day of which I hope my car will be done for then you can ask me as I will be on the Performance Ford stand
Old 17-08-2007, 09:45 AM
  #57  
Luca
Lukesville
iTrader: (2)
 
Luca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Portsmouth
Posts: 9,668
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Cliff S1
Originally Posted by m4dyeti
Originally Posted by Cliff S1
Originally Posted by m4dyeti
Originally Posted by joo5ty
Originally Posted by ryan_belfast
well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
well isnt that due to the point that the amount of bhp cant be handled any more? I guess at 300bhp you cant get your wheels sticked to the road at any gear?

can one say that above +/- 240bhp (if you think of the torque that usually comes with that) in a RS Turbo isnt a nice car to drive anymore, because of the wheelspin?
Set up properly for track and a good map with decent engine managment and you wont get wheelspin at 240bhp.

I dont know about any higher bhp.. but il let you know with the new engine...
The problem we are having to explain that people don't seem to get is that many people with rst's spend a hell of alot of money making the car go fast in a straight line but pennies on the handling side.

Like you m4dyeti I have spent a fair few quid on the suspension side of things

Totally transforms the cars doesn't it

Certainly does, how is your zetec coming along mate - im just strting to purchase the main bits for mine..
If you are at National Day of which I hope my car will be done for then you can ask me as I will be on the Performance Ford stand

excellant Cliff il bring a notepad too then lol
Old 17-08-2007, 09:56 AM
  #58  
GUZZLER
PassionFord Post Whore!!

iTrader: (3)
 
GUZZLER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Northants
Posts: 8,223
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by cozzfather
Originally Posted by GUZZLER
it would also depend on if the cossie was 2 or 4wd, 2wd cossies are quicker thwn 4x4's.

i've had a few 200+ bhp escort turbos & a 300+ bhp 2wd cos would win hands down, 4x4 would struggle.
unless it was raining or damp or you were revving the sack off it
down lanes sideways etc then 4x4 is faster
4x4 cosworth was for rallying, series2 rs turbo was for err i don't know
even though i have had them in every standard colour ford made them

my reply was for general use, people normally race on long straight roads in the dry, 4x4 has a big power loss compared to 2wd on a 300bhp cosworth, i wasn't talking about a rally stage in a storm
Old 17-08-2007, 10:13 AM
  #59  
adamski frst
Advanced PassionFord User
 
adamski frst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: brum/shropshire drives:- frst / escort cossie
Posts: 2,158
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by m4dyeti
Originally Posted by ryan_belfast
well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
power to weight ratio - your car is still full with interior etc i presume
tricky question, as your not comparing like for like if a cossie was stripped out and running a TRUE 350 hp then no the rst would stand no chance in hell...

if both cars were full weight then IMO the cossie would still win i think the only way a rst would stand a chance if it was totally stripped of all its weight and the cossie wasn't....

i'm not into racing much tbh but i have not lost one yet i'm only running 390hp but evo's and skylines to rst's none have matched me yet, mine is by no means fast. But lets face it i owned a 200+hp fiesta and i sold it because the cosworth is a better car, it'll put the power down and feels alot stronger and happy on the road, the fiesta felt harsh and was violent... TBH i think my fiesta ran its nicest runnin 190hp,210lbft over 200hp in it just felt too much... just my 2pence

Ad
Old 17-08-2007, 10:26 AM
  #60  
gingeRS
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
gingeRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: london baby!
Posts: 7,443
Received 26 Likes on 22 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stavros
Originally Posted by Ginge !
sorry mate,, but the nova still has one real bad thing going against is

ITS A FUCKING NOVA

no matter how smart and no mater how much money shes got and if she lets her mates also join you for sex sessions,,,,,,, your mates are still gonna look at her and see shes fat

same with cars im afraid,,, nova is the rich fat girl scientist whos got fit mates,,,,, thats your car no matter what the rest is,,,, its a nova first
And you think your average human has any more respect for someone driving an RST?! I dont think so.

Not much more for most Saffs either.
women love the saff
Old 17-08-2007, 10:27 AM
  #61  
gingeRS
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
gingeRS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: london baby!
Posts: 7,443
Received 26 Likes on 22 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GUZZLER


my reply was for general use, people normally race on long straight roads in the dry, 4x4 has a big power loss compared to 2wd on a 300bhp cosworth, i wasn't talking about a rally stage in a storm
that it does....my mate had a stage 3 2wd saff and it used to seem MUCH faster than my 4x4
Old 17-08-2007, 11:10 AM
  #62  
RickyLee53
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
 
RickyLee53's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Rotherham
Posts: 1,398
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Not going on an RST or a cossy.

But i drive a 202bhp starlet turbo and a Evo6 (standard) daily.

Power to weight theres nothing in them, but the Evo is much quicker.
Handles better, doesn't wheelspin, brakes better etc etc.
I'm sure this would be the case with the cossy and RST.

Which is more fun? A tough 1 as i've not done many miles in the Starbus, but i reckon it's more fun at the minute.
Old 17-08-2007, 12:56 PM
  #63  
ryan_belfast
Advanced PassionFord User
 
ryan_belfast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 2,388
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by m4dyeti
Originally Posted by ryan_belfast
well my 300bhp escort rs turbo was beaten by a 380bhp 4x4 sapphire cossie, not by a hell of a lot mind you but the sapphire was quicker...
power to weight ratio - your car is still full with interior etc i presume
Nope, back seats etc were all out of it... roll cage put in though..

The sapphire was never proven bhp but its guessed at around 380,it had one of stu's "off the shelf chips" an was running greys etc...

the rs turbo had problems getting power down in first, but in second with toyo R888s and on a dry day it gripped 100% with no wheelspin... the car was an animal to drive, always fun fun... you had to concentrate 100% of the time or else you would torque steer into a ditch lol...
Old 17-08-2007, 04:16 PM
  #64  
cozzfather
C.R.E.A.M.
iTrader: (1)
 
cozzfather's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Altrincham
Posts: 4,610
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GUZZLER
Originally Posted by cozzfather
Originally Posted by GUZZLER
it would also depend on if the cossie was 2 or 4wd, 2wd cossies are quicker thwn 4x4's.

i've had a few 200+ bhp escort turbos & a 300+ bhp 2wd cos would win hands down, 4x4 would struggle.
unless it was raining or damp or you were revving the sack off it
down lanes sideways etc then 4x4 is faster
4x4 cosworth was for rallying, series2 rs turbo was for err i don't know
even though i have had them in every standard colour ford made them

my reply was for general use, people normally race on long straight roads in the dry, 4x4 has a big power loss compared to 2wd on a 300bhp cosworth, i wasn't talking about a rally stage in a storm

i know what you mean Guzzle i would rather drive a 2wd in a
straight line, but show me bends,roundabouts, lanes, damp etc and
its 4x4 for me
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Vincereese
Cars for Sale
1
01-06-2023 09:14 AM
Vincereese
Cars & Parts Wanted.
2
16-08-2015 06:38 PM
muz
General Car Related Discussion.
3
16-08-2015 12:57 PM
druidgetafix
Technical help Q & A
0
15-08-2015 10:22 AM
Focosmitch
Ford RS Cosworth Parts for Sale
2
14-08-2015 07:29 AM



Quick Reply: How will a 230bhp escort turbo compair to a 350bhp cosworth?



All times are GMT. The time now is 02:48 PM.