Ouch, dont buy cheap lower arms off eBay
22-05-2007, 07:56 AM
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Ouch, dont buy cheap lower arms off eBay
Fitted em the other week and spent some of saturday tracking it up as my dad was using it for a road rally that evening.
Just drifting off to sleep at about 2.30am when the phone rings and its my dad saying they've bent a lower arm on a section on a discussed airfield. Apparently they hit a smallish hole and there was a large bang followed by lots of grinding noises which turned out to be the rollbar rubbing on the driveshaft
He managed to limp it home but the whell has gone back in the arch about 2 inches and it winds the steering wheel to the right on its own quite quickly :laugh:
From what he said it wasn't much of a pothole and we've hit much bigger and faster ones before on standard bottom arms without any problems (airfield surface is mostly broken concrete with tuffts of grass and a few holes) It was alittle concerned right from the start about their strength especially with the size of the holes in them and I guess I was right cos the amount they've bent on a relativly small impact is preety bad
Just drifting off to sleep at about 2.30am when the phone rings and its my dad saying they've bent a lower arm on a section on a discussed airfield. Apparently they hit a smallish hole and there was a large bang followed by lots of grinding noises which turned out to be the rollbar rubbing on the driveshaft
He managed to limp it home but the whell has gone back in the arch about 2 inches and it winds the steering wheel to the right on its own quite quickly :laugh:
From what he said it wasn't much of a pothole and we've hit much bigger and faster ones before on standard bottom arms without any problems (airfield surface is mostly broken concrete with tuffts of grass and a few holes) It was alittle concerned right from the start about their strength especially with the size of the holes in them and I guess I was right cos the amount they've bent on a relativly small impact is preety bad
These ones
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22-05-2007, 08:58 AM
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Lightening holes to save weight..but no extra strengthening taken nito account.
Least they were cheap-ish.
Improve vehicle stability, tighten up the handling and prolong the life of the suspension.
22-05-2007, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Im sorry but that would never ever stand up to motorsport use - as you have just found out
22-05-2007, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
at least the deflex ones, that look a bit like that have a verticle plates welded all aroun the edge to aid strength, but even they dont look that manly
22-05-2007, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Im sorry but that would never ever stand up to motorsport use - as you have just found out
Seen one of those snap aswell
22-05-2007, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Im sorry but that would never ever stand up to motorsport use - as you have just found out
Seen one of those snap aswell
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
just like to add sunill has had his arms replaced as i said i would this is a very uncomman thing to happen this desidn came from short oval cars super salloons n hot rods many yrs ago taking much abuse hitting barrers other cars they never broke
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
22-05-2007, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
at least the deflex ones, that look a bit like that have a verticle plates welded all aroun the edge to aid strength, but even they dont look that manly
22-05-2007, 10:08 AM
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neil had a set on his FRST from Deflex, have a look in the latest issue of FF on page 60, they look similar int hat the holes are there etc, but they have metal welded all around the edges for strength, they are also powdercoated silver, that ones in that pic just look galvenised?
22-05-2007, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Im sorry but that would never ever stand up to motorsport use - as you have just found out
Seen one of those snap aswell
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
just like to add sunill has had his arms replaced as i said i would this is a very uncomman thing to happen this desidn came from short oval cars super salloons n hot rods many yrs ago taking much abuse hitting barrers other cars they never broke
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
was there a recall on the old ones?
22-05-2007, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
neil had a set on his FRST from Deflex, have a look in the latest issue of FF on page 60, they look similar int hat the holes are there etc, but they have metal welded all around the edges for strength, they are also powdercoated silver, that ones in that pic just look galvenised?
Just saying, the link given to that Ebay page shows the seller as Deflex.
22-05-2007, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Im sorry but that would never ever stand up to motorsport use - as you have just found out
Seen one of those snap aswell
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
just like to add sunill has had his arms replaced as i said i would this is a very uncomman thing to happen this desidn came from short oval cars super salloons n hot rods many yrs ago taking much abuse hitting barrers other cars they never broke
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
was there a recall on the old ones?
22-05-2007, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
neil had a set on his FRST from Deflex, have a look in the latest issue of FF on page 60, they look similar int hat the holes are there etc, but they have metal welded all around the edges for strength, they are also powdercoated silver, that ones in that pic just look galvenised?
Just saying, the link given to that Ebay page shows the seller as Deflex.
but not sure on this tho
22-05-2007, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Im sorry but that would never ever stand up to motorsport use - as you have just found out
Seen one of those snap aswell
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
just like to add sunill has had his arms replaced as i said i would this is a very uncomman thing to happen this desidn came from short oval cars super salloons n hot rods many yrs ago taking much abuse hitting barrers other cars they never broke
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
was there a recall on the old ones?Brom is getting me the new thicker tubing ones sorted in the next couple of weeks
22-05-2007, 11:32 AM
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looks how my normal ones looked like after some1 caused me to go into a high kerb one night. I thought the steering felt funny on the way home lol
22-05-2007, 11:49 AM
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Errrrrrrrrr......Don't know what to say about those. I'm no engineer, but I would have expected some vertical strengthening webs somewhere on the design.
Obviously no developement stages added to the design.....LOL.
Wouldn't have touch somthing that looked like that with a barge pole.
Obviously no developement stages added to the design.....LOL.
Wouldn't have touch somthing that looked like that with a barge pole.
22-05-2007, 11:57 AM
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i wouldnt even like to try them on your average town taxi... let alone a fucking performace/rally car... it needs contours and ridges to add strength... dunno what they were thinking when they made those... the standard ones on most cars arent even flat...
22-05-2007, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunil_FiestaRS1800
It was mine that broke. Luckily i was just pulling away when i heard it snap. So no damage done. Hate to think what would have happened if i had been doing some speed or they had failed at Brunters a few weeks previous.
Brom is getting me the new thicker tubing ones sorted in the next couple of weeks
22-05-2007, 12:30 PM
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I think maybe the seller should be contacted with those pics, and ebay, aware the people that it is a dangerous product, and could kill someone. That is really poor to be fitted to a car with the pressure in that area.
22-05-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunil_FiestaRS1800
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Im sorry but that would never ever stand up to motorsport use - as you have just found out
Seen one of those snap aswell
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
just like to add sunill has had his arms replaced as i said i would this is a very uncomman thing to happen this desidn came from short oval cars super salloons n hot rods many yrs ago taking much abuse hitting barrers other cars they never broke
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
i used to get the hi strenght tube 3.5 mm tubing from rally design but no i do my own turning and maching i use diffent thicker materails
the old tube had a rating of 12 tonne statc load te gold cromoly bearings have a static load of 14 tonnes
the new design
uses the same 30 mm diameter tube BUT i NOW USE 8MM WALL COLD DRAWN SEAMLESS TUBING WITH A TENSILE STRENGH OF 33 TONNES
the newer joint has a static loading of 53 tonnes on the outer joint and i side loading of 13 tonnes
your avrage road or track tyre would not pull 3 g let alown 13 g it would take to bend the joints !!!!!!!!!
i have been doing this type since i came out of hospital when i re opened zoo in april
i have not had any other complants in the 6 yrs i have been making them
only the balls in rose joint sometimes squeeked which is now why i fit grease covers to the inner joints
inner joints cost me around Ł40 each and the outer joints cost me Ł53 plus vat hence the price increase
to re asure everbody convedence i am going to get the old arm tested again the new and will post results to anybody intrested
just sorry its happend
i dont sell items to endanger ppls lives as anybody that know me personally i tend to make things over kill in size and strenght
was there a recall on the old ones?Brom is getting me the new thicker tubing ones sorted in the next couple of weeks
IT WAS THE TUBE SUPPLYED THAT FAILED NOT THE WELDING OR DESIGN !!!
when i became very ill in Jan 06 i returned to work in may time i ordered 5 metres of thinner wall cds that rally design always used to supply to me from years ago i made 3 sets of arms from this sunnil a lad from isle man and one from Scotland all have been replaced turboboss sean had a set of the early type just before i was ill and his are still on his car never failed even with 400 bhp through front wheels
i have replaced the arms and sunnil is having his arms upgraded to the thicker sealed type joints the reason it took so long in September i again was taken very ill and i had to end the unit i am currently working part time on beams and suspension only until i am fit to work 80hr weeks again
22-05-2007, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by RichardPON
Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
neil had a set on his FRST from Deflex, have a look in the latest issue of FF on page 60, they look similar int hat the holes are there etc, but they have metal welded all around the edges for strength, they are also powdercoated silver, that ones in that pic just look galvenised?
Just saying, the link given to that Ebay page shows the seller as Deflex.
but not sure on this tho
23-05-2007, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by D19 STE
Originally Posted by RichardPON
Originally Posted by Dan@FastFord
neil had a set on his FRST from Deflex, have a look in the latest issue of FF on page 60, they look similar int hat the holes are there etc, but they have metal welded all around the edges for strength, they are also powdercoated silver, that ones in that pic just look galvenised?
Just saying, the link given to that Ebay page shows the seller as Deflex.
but not sure on this tho seems like they ain't all they is cracked up to be
or did the deflex lot give them a load of shit stuff befroe they fucked off?