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Do RWD cars handle badly in the wet ???
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Let's not discuss just yet please
I want to find out what the general feeling is before we get into the discussion.
Just being curious as it seems to be a common belief
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which RWD cars in particular??
in general no they don't...so long as the driver is aware that smashing the throttle on mid corner will result in a bit of drama! but that's true of FWD cars too, but it's a little less scary.
a mate has a 330ci that seems to handle the wet just like it handles the dry...but it's fitted with proper tyres and it's built properly,
in general no they don't...so long as the driver is aware that smashing the throttle on mid corner will result in a bit of drama! but that's true of FWD cars too, but it's a little less scary.
a mate has a 330ci that seems to handle the wet just like it handles the dry...but it's fitted with proper tyres and it's built properly,
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cars handle EXACTLY the same
, nothing changes except grip level, castor camber and rebound/ spring rates etc do not move themselves when it rains.......
All it is is less mechanical grip on the road
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All it is is less mechanical grip on the road
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
cars handle EXACTLY the same
, nothing changes except grip level, castor camber and rebound/ spring rates etc do not move themselves when it rains.......
All it is is less mechanical grip on the road![Big Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
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All it is is less mechanical grip on the road
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well obviously the part about the geometry changing is true...but a car that is setup to go fast in the dry ...could be a load of shite in the wet.
what i'm saying is although nothing changes, the car becomes badly mannered because the suspension setup isn't suited to wet conditions, be it too stiff or whatever.
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Voted No.
But they do require more finesse. Thats where people fall down (off into a ditch!
) If anything the whole "Balance" thing makes for better handling in the wet than an equivilent power FWD car
However, Im loving this quote!
But they do require more finesse. Thats where people fall down (off into a ditch!
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I can think of plenty of cars that handle perfcetly well in teh wet. Plenty.
But its all about teh car, teh tyres and the scenario.
Example.
My last Sapphire was about 20 seconds quicker round the ring in the pissing down rain than it was bone dry. Timed and proven beyond a doubt, with video evidence... and teh ring was the ONLY place it would have been faster, due to a number of reasons...
But its all about teh car, teh tyres and the scenario.
Example.
My last Sapphire was about 20 seconds quicker round the ring in the pissing down rain than it was bone dry. Timed and proven beyond a doubt, with video evidence... and teh ring was the ONLY place it would have been faster, due to a number of reasons...
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
cars handle EXACTLY the same
, nothing changes except grip level, castor camber and rebound/ spring rates etc do not move themselves when it rains.......
All it is is less mechanical grip on the road![Big Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
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All it is is less mechanical grip on the road
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well obviously the part about the geometry changing is true...but a car that is setup to go fast in the dry ...could be a load of shite in the wet.
what i'm saying is although nothing changes, the car becomes badly mannered because the suspension setup isn't suited to wet conditions, be it too stiff or whatever.
true, but a well set up car generally behaves like it does in the dry, on;y it tends to loose grip a bit sooner and needs to be driven much more smoothly
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
I can think of plenty of cars that handle perfcetly well in the wet. Plenty.
But its all about the car, the tyres and the scenario.
Example.
My last Sapphire was about 20 seconds quicker round the ring in the pissing down rain than it was bone dry. Timed and proven beyond a doubt, with video evidence... and the ring was the ONLY place it would have been faster, due to a number of reasons...![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
But its all about the car, the tyres and the scenario.
Example.
My last Sapphire was about 20 seconds quicker round the ring in the pissing down rain than it was bone dry. Timed and proven beyond a doubt, with video evidence... and the ring was the ONLY place it would have been faster, due to a number of reasons...
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Originally Posted by bud-weis
Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
cars handle EXACTLY the same
, nothing changes except grip level, castor camber and rebound/ spring rates etc do not move themselves when it rains.......
All it is is less mechanical grip on the road![Big Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
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All it is is less mechanical grip on the road
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well obviously the part about the geometry changing is true...but a car that is setup to go fast in the dry ...could be a load of shite in the wet.
what i'm saying is although nothing changes, the car becomes badly mannered because the suspension setup isn't suited to wet conditions, be it too stiff or whatever.
true, but a well set up car generally behaves like it does in the dry, on;y it tends to loose grip a bit sooner and needs to be driven much more smoothly
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mines awful
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
i'm guessing the tyres and brakes stayed cooler due to the nice wet track? ![Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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No matter what you did with pressures, they were goosed after just over half a lap. Felt like blamonge
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Unless it was raining... then they would do nearly 2 laps.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
I can think of plenty of cars that handle perfcetly well in the wet. Plenty.
But its all about the car, the tyres and the scenario.
Example.
My last Sapphire was about 20 seconds quicker round the ring in the pissing down rain than it was bone dry. Timed and proven beyond a doubt, with video evidence... and the ring was the ONLY place it would have been faster, due to a number of reasons...![Wink](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
But its all about the car, the tyres and the scenario.
Example.
My last Sapphire was about 20 seconds quicker round the ring in the pissing down rain than it was bone dry. Timed and proven beyond a doubt, with video evidence... and the ring was the ONLY place it would have been faster, due to a number of reasons...
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Logic dictates that dry = grip = faster
I myself like to hide when it rains at the ring, but that's me - Southern Fairy! LOL
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check his reply above....dry weather meant the tyres went like jelly after half a lap....in the wet they remained good for the whole lap..and more
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all depends on the talent of the driver.
this last week or two has been great, loadsa sideways fun at the legal limit or less.![Banana](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/banana_dance.gif)
this last week or two has been great, loadsa sideways fun at the legal limit or less.
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Sorry - typing on phone so takes ages - post came whilst writing!
That would explain it - F1s are litter in dry - I shredded a set.on the M5 at the ring v quickly!!!
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That would explain it - F1s are litter in dry - I shredded a set.on the M5 at the ring v quickly!!!
Never bought em since
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Originally Posted by cozmeister
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all depends on the talent of the driver.
this last week or two has been great, loadsa sideways fun at the legal limit or less.![Banana](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/banana_dance.gif)
this last week or two has been great, loadsa sideways fun at the legal limit or less.
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well in my all powerful 1.8 sierra things got super fun/deadly in the rain, when i had a set of 6.5j focus tyres on the back. (were on the car when i bought it) several times, even pulling out of junctions was a brave feat. now i have a set of 8 j compo's on the back, back end hasn't stepped out once in the wet, so i'd say its all down to how you drive. blaming handling in the rain is a poor excuse if you wrap it up, as your driving style should change according to weather conditions. but then thats just in a 1.8. I imagine it would be a lot different in a real engines sierra
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
a mate has a 330ci that seems to handle the wet just like it handles the dry...but it's fitted with proper tyres and it's built properly,
i rememebr alex telling us that the new M4 thingy he's got tells the insurance company when you turn the traction control off so they don't pay you when you bin it
it's not that i'm saying the car will handle like a barge with it off, but it's cheating all the same because, in teh wet, the much wider rubber means you have more chance of aquaplaning and therefore more chance of binning it than you would in a thinnly wheeled car with half the rubber on the road due to the need to shift less water to create the dry patch
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as to the question "do rwd car handle badly in the wet" it's all down to driver ability, michael schuimaker can drive his car in teh wet much quicker than most other F1 drivers in less powerfull cars and they are rwd whihc just goes to proove that you need to have david couthard in front of you to beat him
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a 330ci is a very well built, well balanced car that handles all conditions well, regardless of it having any gizmo's, it's a good all rounder that you don't really need to alter your driving style regardless of the conditions (to a certain point obviously).
My Sierra is the opposite, it's shit in the wet ( because of the tyres, as i mentioned above ) just the other day i pulled into morrisons and the car went properly sideways...i was doing a little over 20mph
but as Pon says that's more to do with grip than handling tbh.
a 330ci is a very well built, well balanced car that handles all conditions well, regardless of it having any gizmo's, it's a good all rounder that you don't really need to alter your driving style regardless of the conditions (to a certain point obviously).
My Sierra is the opposite, it's shit in the wet ( because of the tyres, as i mentioned above ) just the other day i pulled into morrisons and the car went properly sideways...i was doing a little over 20mph
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but as Pon says that's more to do with grip than handling tbh.
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I see you've all read the first line about discussing this
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Any car will be worse in the wet in terms of lap speed, breaking, cornering, etc..., being front, rear or 4x4 drive, that's pretty obvious.
I've heard people say "oh, your car is rwd, I bet it's a handful in the wet", "I wouldn't have one, too dangerous", etc...
So, is that the general view, they are dangerous and shouldn't be touched with a barge pole ?
Those with common sense (as has been said above) will mention it's all about finesse, respecting the car's ability and conditions, etc...
Joe Bloggs (not on PF
according to votes so far) in my experience seems to think it's just a loaded weapon, which it can be in the wrong hands, but handled carefully, it's not.
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Maybe to help clarify what I meant
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Any car will be worse in the wet in terms of lap speed, breaking, cornering, etc..., being front, rear or 4x4 drive, that's pretty obvious.
I've heard people say "oh, your car is rwd, I bet it's a handful in the wet", "I wouldn't have one, too dangerous", etc...
So, is that the general view, they are dangerous and shouldn't be touched with a barge pole ?
Those with common sense (as has been said above) will mention it's all about finesse, respecting the car's ability and conditions, etc...
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I see you've all read the first line about discussing this
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Maybe to help clarify what I meant![Red Faced](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif)
Any car will be worse in the wet in terms of lap speed, breaking, cornering, etc..., being front, rear or 4x4 drive, that's pretty obvious.
I've heard people say "oh, your car is rwd, I bet it's a handful in the wet", "I wouldn't have one, too dangerous", etc...
So, is that the general view, they are dangerous and shouldn't be touched with a barge pole ?
Those with common sense (as has been said above) will mention it's all about finesse, respecting the car's ability and conditions, etc...
Joe Bloggs (not on PF
according to votes so far) in my experience seems to think it's just a loaded weapon, which it can be in the wrong hands, but handled carefully, it's not.
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Except for JjCoDeX75
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Maybe to help clarify what I meant
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Any car will be worse in the wet in terms of lap speed, breaking, cornering, etc..., being front, rear or 4x4 drive, that's pretty obvious.
I've heard people say "oh, your car is rwd, I bet it's a handful in the wet", "I wouldn't have one, too dangerous", etc...
So, is that the general view, they are dangerous and shouldn't be touched with a barge pole ?
Those with common sense (as has been said above) will mention it's all about finesse, respecting the car's ability and conditions, etc...
Joe Bloggs (not on PF
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Originally Posted by Gary_R
If this is going to turn into another "4x4 vs RWD" threads then lets end it here, 4x4 will always be for men who sit down to pee.