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Originally Posted by dovboy
oh ffs,ok then have u noticed phil on a very cold night that a turbo car especially ,goes better?
Surely not
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by dovboy
oh ffs,ok then have u noticed phil on a very cold night that a turbo car especially ,goes better?
Surely not
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by capri-rs
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Does having the standard air box actually make much difference over a cone filter? I have my air box sitting in the garage doing nothing.
cant be bad. euan have done 485 atw with one
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Originally Posted by Bosch Dealer
...this old chestnut
The air box is as stuffy as a cone and more restricted...i would want more AIR..hence i only choose cone.
Thats why we have a decent intercooler guys to cool that air from the turbo.
Remember the optimum air charge temp is 40c..you will get the best out of your engine at that
The air box is as stuffy as a cone and more restricted...i would want more AIR..hence i only choose cone.
Thats why we have a decent intercooler guys to cool that air from the turbo.
Remember the optimum air charge temp is 40c..you will get the best out of your engine at that
99% of people on here are not at that power.
Rod uses a cone beacuse he is WAY past it. Rods inner wing is cut out and the filter area is totally sealed when the bonnet is shut
It has ben tested and res tested on my car.
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Originally Posted by Bosch Dealer
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Bosch Dealer
As said its not from ME..but from a proper pro I bet it really irritates the book worms i am blessed with such knowledge...40c is where its at for optimum power on a YB.
Whats your view on this Mike as you know the person who told me
Whats your view on this Mike as you know the person who told me
Yes Phil, thats right, 40 degrees no matter what turbo is fitted, no matter what boost its running, irrelevant of cmpression ratio and nothing to do with what AFR its running.
They ALL work best at 40
You didnt misunderstand anyone at all, physics really is that simple
What on Earth are you banging on about Chip?...if you can get 40c air charge temps no matter what spec you will have the optimum burn...so please stay off the books.
Have you never seen an EGT gauge before?
Do you not think the AFR would have more of an effect on the burn temp than the intake charge temp??
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Originally Posted by Rick
childish question - does chatter totally dissapear when you run an airbox?
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euan ,my plan was to put an alloy shield up to block the cone away from heat sorces.
thought about then gold plating it as i have heard that gold is good at reflecting heat.
(air in through the inside twin headlight)
good idea? i'm allways thinking of pish like this that might or might not work
thought about then gold plating it as i have heard that gold is good at reflecting heat.
(air in through the inside twin headlight)
good idea? i'm allways thinking of pish like this that might or might not work
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Again just for the people that think a cone cant suck cold air while the car is moving...
The side of my airbox is actuaually melted from the air that surrounds it.
This proves that the air surrounding your cone is VERY hot.
We have tested all this on my car.
The side of my airbox is actuaually melted from the air that surrounds it.
This proves that the air surrounding your cone is VERY hot.
We have tested all this on my car.
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i'm going to put mine back on.....my pal has found it in his garage.......cant do any scientific test........ but will see how it feels....hope it dosn't feel better.........like the cone noise.....
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Originally Posted by Bosch Dealer
...wannabe tuners its not hard to understand that 40c is the best temp for fuel atomisation..and i thought you was knowledgable..especially you Chip
Its just harder for the rest of us to TOTALLY IGNORE the rest of the picture with regards to air density and detonation characteristics that a change in temp also effects.
You hear one little fact, stick you blinkers on, and ignore all the other aspects.
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odd,and im not arguing with anyone here,but i changed from a cone filter to my old airbox one day (as i beleived the hype about heat soak.)with the 400bhp engine and the damn thing wouldnt run right,PROPERLY restricted!!!it felt like it was hitting a brick wall.all i changed was the airbox.as soon as the cone went back on it flew again. was like hitting fuel cut as soon as the boost cut in etc,just not as harsh.
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Phil, your wrong.
About your YB tuning knowlege AND this.
Im never sure if you really believe you know everything or just go on an on like this just to wind people up.
I guess both.
An engine builder and a tuner are two wildly different things.
And you are neither it seems.
About your YB tuning knowlege AND this.
Im never sure if you really believe you know everything or just go on an on like this just to wind people up.
I guess both.
An engine builder and a tuner are two wildly different things.
And you are neither it seems.
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Again just for the people that think a cone cant suck cold air while the car is moving...
The side of my airbox is actuaually melted from the air that surrounds it.
This proves that the air surrounding your cone is VERY hot.
We have tested all this on my car.
The side of my airbox is actuaually melted from the air that surrounds it.
This proves that the air surrounding your cone is VERY hot.
We have tested all this on my car.
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Originally Posted by Bosch Dealer
...chip i know mucho about every aspect of the YB and here i was stating one fact..ignore the other factors around it the point is i was RIGHT and yet you choose to argue
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Originally Posted by Bosch Dealer
...chip i know mucho about every aspect of the YB and here i was stating one fact..ignore the other factors around it the point is i was RIGHT and yet you choose to argue
The fuel mix will be even better at 100 degrees than at 40, so do you think that will give yet more power?
In fact why dont you go even further and route your exhaust through the intercooler, that will REALLY get that fuel to avoid dropping out!
#106
...........40c is where its optimum....nothing more to say.
Stavros a special shout out to you as i hear you write articles...i just hope they aint technical as you certainly know less than me Judging by your recent replies on here?...Lets hope its me thats the Dreamer Steven
Stavros a special shout out to you as i hear you write articles...i just hope they aint technical as you certainly know less than me Judging by your recent replies on here?...Lets hope its me thats the Dreamer Steven
#107
phil: 40 degrees is the optimum temp for what though?the air?the fuel?at what point?as the air will be different temps before turbo,in turbo,after turbo,in intercooler,in plenum,in engine with valves open,in engine as its being compressed,in engine as it has been compressed.im not arguing,genuinely interested in at what point you need this 40 degrees?
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if the fuel doesn't atomise at less than 40 deg. C then you have shit injectors
even if it is the best for fuel atomisation, it doesn't mean it's best for power. if all of the fuel doesn't atomise to get a burn with the 'best' AFR to get most power, you would just inject more fuel until it does
how difficult is it to understand that the more air you get in a cylinder fill, the more fuel you can put with it to get the most energy out?
quite simply, colder air is more dense and has more oxygen per volume (which is the limiting factor in an air pump) than hotter air. that is simple physics and cannot be seriously argued against other than by a total clown.
and that is ignoring any effect on reduced detonation risk of lower ACT's that may allow better ignition timing for more power
i don't know why any of us are wasting our time typing really - god has spoken
even if it is the best for fuel atomisation, it doesn't mean it's best for power. if all of the fuel doesn't atomise to get a burn with the 'best' AFR to get most power, you would just inject more fuel until it does
how difficult is it to understand that the more air you get in a cylinder fill, the more fuel you can put with it to get the most energy out?
quite simply, colder air is more dense and has more oxygen per volume (which is the limiting factor in an air pump) than hotter air. that is simple physics and cannot be seriously argued against other than by a total clown.
and that is ignoring any effect on reduced detonation risk of lower ACT's that may allow better ignition timing for more power
i don't know why any of us are wasting our time typing really - god has spoken
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Originally Posted by dovboy
euan ,my plan was to put an alloy shield up to block the cone away from heat sorces.
thought about then gold plating it as i have heard that gold is good at reflecting heat.
(air in through the inside twin headlight)
good idea? i'm allways thinking of pish like this that might or might not work
thought about then gold plating it as i have heard that gold is good at reflecting heat.
(air in through the inside twin headlight)
good idea? i'm allways thinking of pish like this that might or might not work
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Rod uses a cone beacuse he is WAY past it.
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Originally Posted by pete mcrash
Euan.........do u think the size of ur turbo makes a difference......smaller turbo,less heat.........