TIFF

VERY interesting



http://www.killsometime.com/humor/hu...911-Conspiracy

Rich@rd

Bizar ain't it... It's a weird complot that piece of the puzzle

AndyRST

I never once thought a plane hit the pentagon. I always thought it was a large misile launched from either miltary plane or from mobile surface miles away.

Roosie

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why would they say a plane hit it??

Adam Ash

To cover arses

Rich@rd

To cover up... 2 plains just hit the WTC, so they had a good excuse for the pentagon

warleydaddy

So do we al lthink the whole thing is a goverment plot?!??!

WAS 911 a mistake?

WAS it a ploy???

WHAT would the American goverment want to do it for??

Surley just for an excuse to go to war with Iraq for what ever reason,doesnt mean the MURDER of 10`s of THOUSANDS of inocent American citezens???

Views????????????

Pete...

RSrussell

People were on that flight, people did die.

You should have watched this https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...650&highlight= last night, explained pretty much everything, had eyewitness accounts etc.

What do you really think would happen to a plane flying at 500mph, full of fuel, hitting a solid building? Do you expect to see parts of the plane? The you think it would go straight through the building? (it never did to the towers).

The ONLY reason there is conspiracy theories is because there are no videos/pictures of the pentagon getting hit, no doubt if the twin towers incident happened at night and noone saw it, the conspiracers would say it was an alien spaceship

Rich@rd

you can always see parts of a plane when it crashes.. But how about black boxes ? Never found???

RSrussell

hmm ok then, so how many planes have actually crashed into large buildings before? none, other than on 9/11, so you can't compare scenes

They "normally" crash into fields and burn the grass, scatter parts everywhere etc.

How many parts were viewable from the twin towers? not much.

AndyRST

I believe that the US government didnt want the public to know that the pentagon was hit by a misile, because they didnt want the general public thinking that almost anyone could have fired and hit such an important building with a miltary weapon.

IMO A plane crashing into it doesnt make the defence sound as bad as admitting that it was hit by a misile.

Rich@rd

We had a plane crash in Amsterdam years ago...



Cant find other pictures, but there were others I know, where you still can see some landing gear etc..

Maybe there aren't viewable parts from the WTC cause they crashed how many meters up in the sky and when the towers collapsed the parts got mixed with the debrie (fooking spelling) of the towers

RSrussell

so the dozen or so people, who have no connection with the government, who gave their eyewitness accounts last night are lying?

also the fact that calls were made from people on that flight and the fact these 58 passengers are missing http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...e-flight77.htm

Rich@rd

My oppinion is that it's one big conspiracy.. I know the people made calls etc etc.. but there's something just not right.

RSrussell

richard, diffent plane maybe? also the pentagon has 5 "rings" so it would be much harder to go through. Also the material/structure may be different.

Really there are sooo many factors, its like saying how comes sunny's 2litre 16valve engine can do 178mph, when my mondeo max's out at 120mph

RSrussell

I do agree with that.

Rich@rd

That's a diffrent story m8

But the thing is, the plane is packed with kerosine, that burns like fook, but there wern't a "big" fire at the pentagon though...

I just don't know m8, it's getting late and my brains don't wanna think about it anymore

TIFF

There is in that video link at the top

RSrussell

but there is a frame missing, and all the other videos have been confiscated by the fbi

AndyRST

but rikki, who says that, THAT aircraft came down into the pentagon? I recall one of the planes coming down into a field on that fateful day.

RSrussell

both 757's apparently

RichardPON

I'm with ya on this one Rick.

I'm all for conspiracy theories, but it makes me laugh when all these people jump up and down saying it wasn't a plane!

Exactly how many of these people have experience of what happens to a plane when it hits a building that's quite as thick walled as that?

I agree there is something not right, but to say that it wasn't a plane is ludicrous, as no one can disprove it beyond reasonable doubt either.

AndyRST

Richard it also seems no one can prove it beyond reasonable doubt that it was a plane that hit.

The people that do know and must have photo evidence that would quash all these other theorys dont want to share this with the public and thats why i believe that it wasnt a plane that hit, i mean what have they got to hide?

Rich@rd

I just don't know... The movie at the top makes it interesting, but I just don't know.
It's just a strange "case".

rs_daz

All just freaks me out.that vid at the top is just mad.Just dont know wot to beleave

Fastmaul

OK, One more time..
The Pentagon IS a Goverment building. No matter what happend to it, big plane, little plane, missile. The Goverment will try to keep it a secret, doesn't matter if we like it or not! that's the sad fact.
I just don't understand sometimes why people have to know! so was that plane that hit the Pentagon empty? People did die right? if not then where did they go?.

Ztee24

The Goverment hides everything.....for all we know, something can be coming tomorrow..and we don't even know about it yet

I do think, however, that the plane in Penn. got shot down by the fighter jets.
Now the Pentagon? I never saw footage like that in the movie...so it makes me wonder as well.
I would like to see the taken footage of the plane/missile!

EscortWRC

I drove by there while they were still cleaning it up. It was a plane that hit the pentagon. It was not a center-punch like the WTC towers, but the plane DID hit the outer ring of the building.

Anyone who thinks it didn't happen should have to meet the families of the victims

Doh

interesting video

2 fundermental differences between the pentagon and the WTC are materials. WTC was an alloy outer shell building i.e. soft and the pent as in the video above, a steel reinforced concrete afair, i.e. very hard (they have always been para about someone attacking it)

in the firemans documentary video you can still see the tail of the plane sticking outta the wtc because the building kinda absorbed the impact. the pentagon however has different caracteristics.

I'm not saying i believe or disbelieve any theories just wanted to clear that up, wish i'd seen the TV show though

also agree about the other plane that was shot down, if you view some of the timelines you can see that time when bush gave the order to shot down any "rogue" planes. So its fairly obviously want happened to that one. I should say there is some government/media agreement to smooth over the reality of it.

Adam_BlackRS

Very interesting never the less

Kev.H

read the book "the new pearl harbour" very interesting points made !! also Farenhiet 911 is good !

The twin towers may have been brought down by a controlled explosion ! the 3rd building that collapsed wasnt hit but fell down and is the only building in history made of steel etc to collapse just by fire the fire in the towers burned far hotter than is posible with just a jet fuel building fire etc etc etc

under his countries attack mr bush after his school apperance took his scheduled route to the airport and airforce one had no extra protection

The fire at the pentagon was so hot it melted all the plane parts but yet they could fire print id all the passengers

Mr bush used to run various companies which its major investors were the Bin ladon Family

The Bin laden Family were aloud to leave America after 911 even when all other flights were grounded

why were no fighters scrambled to intersept the planes for both the twin towers and the pentagon the pentagon itself has its on missile defence which were not used ????

Was 911 let happen so that the USA could secure Oil and maybe more importantly and less known so they could carry only with there star wars program ?????

we will never know

Rich@rd

How could they know about them crashing the WTC? Even the passengers aboard didn't knew that, while they making calls

Kev.H

the planes tracking device was switched off at a certain time i forget exactly what time but it is procedure when this happens to send up fighters to make contact and then if needed react it happens about 100 times a year the system failed 3 times that day and has never ever failed before

the plane that hit the pentagon radar tracker was turn off the plane that was sent up arrived after the crash it was scrambled from a further away base and even if it flew at half its max speed would have arrived with plently of time to bring down the passenger plane yet it arrived late

EscortWRC

The Bin Laden family LONG AGO severed their support and relationship with Osama

The family is a reputable one, but the son is public enemy #1

Calling F911 a 'documentary' is an insult to documentary filmmakers. It is propaganda in its purest form.

Fastmaul

This is true, and I agree with the F911 statement!! this dude is just out to make who ever he doesn't like look bad! That's his claim to fame, what else has he done?? what has been positive?? this is the same guy that said if black guys where on the plane it wouldn't have been Hi-jacked cause white people are to scared! Yeah...he's the star all end all of the truth!!

EscortWRC

Michael Moron is basically a 'trailer trash' talk show host, but with film, rather than TV, as his medium.

No better than Jerry Springer and the rest of the trash in the media

RichardPON

Apart from his 3 TV series, and four books he has written.

I actually find the guy quite refreshing. At the moment, I'm re-reading "Stupid White Men", but bearing in mind I actually studied American History, I am able to form my own opinions.

Most people use propaganda material, which you are quite correct in saying that it is, as a text book

John_bonus90

thats all messed up then. if the U.S.A want to blow there own buildings and people up

EscortWRC

MM is a 'limousine liberal' and wants the USA to be a socialist country so that everyone is taken care of by the government.

If he wants people to be handed everything, let him and his other rich liberal buddies foot the bill, I'm tired of paying for handouts to people I don't know or don't care about.

Personally, I like as little government involvement in my life as possible.

RichardPON

Matt,

You can have no interference by the government if you want, but you'll be in danger of being called a communist