Jim Galbally

gpsdash is more for outside sports etc. not really for lap timing etc.

JjCoDeX75

It is rather old an outdated right now - not a very good phone either. I had one a few years ago.

The family tree is...

XDA
XDA II
XDA IIs (had a keyboard that slid out - useless keyboard, but step in right direction)
XDA IIi As original II (so no keyboard) but improved processor and camera
XDA II Exec - Best of breed with flippy screen - but big and bulky

My advice - go for an Ipaq or Axim if you dont want the phone functionailiy. Otherwise consider the SPVM 3100 (or vodaphone equiv). The orange ones can be unlocked to work with vodaphone, but only by orange.

Incidentally - the XDA Exec comes completely unlocked from O2!

JJ

foreigneRS

gpsdash will be cool when skiing

i reckon at one point i was doing 70 mph but my mate would not have any of it (but he's blind and doesn't wear his glasses when skiing so doesn't go very fast cos he can't see far enough ahead ).

would be good to record the peak speed and go for it from higher and higher up the mountain to see how fast it is possible to go

silverfox999

If are looking for neat and slim. Try looking at the xda orbit.

More phone than pda but comes with an inbuilt gps unit.

(not tried one so best check it out at a shop beforehand)

JjCoDeX75

Have you chosen one yet nick?

JJ

foreigneRS

thanks for all the advice so far folks - hopefully one will be coming my way in the near future. choice doesn't come into it under the circumstances

will let you know how i get on with it when i get it

foreigneRS

that kind of software could be useful to the 'ring novices as you could programeach corner in as a way point and have it announced as you approach - particularly useful at adenauer forst

foreigneRS

what is also very cool is that you can get a map of the 'ring from google earth or otherwise and import it into that software and see where you are on the 'ring as you drive around

http://wimobi.com/gpsdash/overview_ge.ppc2.php

why you don't just look out of the window though i don't know

as the example on the website though, would be good for walking around a city that you don't know, as traditional navi maps do not show you what the real world around you looks like

the original

bttt

Jim Galbally

still waiting on a mains charger for my ipaq before i can test it next day delivery MY ARSE!

foreigneRS

chivvy them up jim - i'd like to get this up and running well before we go if possible

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Just got this one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...B:EOIBSA:UK:11
might need some help on setting it up

Wanna try and make it display roadspeed and acceleration as well for this years top speed events

foreigneRS

we'll sort it. i'll send you my bluetooth gps receiver tomorrow

Jim Galbally

had an email form the bloke apologising for the delay in postage, hopefully i'll have something tomorrow

SapphyMike

is the data logging abled yet?

Jim Galbally

ok, ive tried, and i canot get it to run on both of the 2 WM2005 PDAs i've got

it's only a friggin java application FFS, just dioesnt seem to rant to run

i'll try it on a WM2003 one tonight, and hopefully have more luck!

foreigneRS

what does it or does it not do jim?

have you installed the java that they provide a link to?

Jim Galbally

the one they provide the link for is 2 versions out of date and not compatible with wm2005.

the new version of that java doesn't even install properly

i've tried one of the other types of java too, no joy


its deffo a java problem doesnt help that their website & forums are in FRENCH

foreigneRS

a lot of it is in english

maybe i should buy a pda off you and try? i can maybe dedicate more time to it, or get a mate of mine to help me out. will be away for a couple of days from tomorrow though, so would have to be early next week

Jim Galbally

nick, im trying to get "your" PDA up and running now (it's WM2003 so the stuff's more relevant)

cant get it to see my SD-GPS unit, but you'd be using a bluetooth one anyway

Jim Galbally

hurrah! got it to run on the WM2003 PDA

now, lets try that 2005 one again...

Jim Galbally

won't bore you with the details, but...


... i got it working


so, ive now got 2 PDAs up and ready for the ring, i should be able to get hold of at least 1 more (possibly 2 more if i'm lucky)

1 is already earmarked for nick as he's after one, but we can share the others for those that want to get Analysis of their laps

foreigneRS

proper bo - will be in touch about collection early next week

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Bttt
yeah
I got one too I sent it to Nick hoping he can get it working before
I lose my temper and stamp it to death

Jim Galbally

pain in the arse top set up aint it

JjCoDeX75

Did you get it working properly , Jim? Is it worth the effort?

JJ

SapphyMike

Does it do the data logging stuff for acceleration etc?

foreigneRS

SapphyMike looks to. my one (from jim) has not been tested yet, but looks to work properly and you can get performance data out of it. it's programmable from a low speed to high speed (0 - 60 mph, 60 - 100 mph etc) or distance (1/4 mile etc).

stu's one now has the software on it that is working, but i can't get the BT GPS to talk to it

SapphyMike

Cool!

I have my MDA with me, shame I dont have the software lead, else i could've bought it and maxed out my Moondog TD this evening

EDIT - Actually, yes i do

Jim Galbally

nick, ring me if you need any help with the GPS, it can be a bit of a pain

i've had it working and tested and it looks pretty cool! just wanna see what the PC side of thigs are wheer you cna do comparison/analysis.

i'll be bringing 2 devices to the ring with me to play with

foreigneRS

my one works fine jim

on the dell, i cannot get virtualcup to get a gps signal from the bt gps receiver

i've just installed GPSinfo on the dell, and that communicates with the gps just fine through com8

in the bt connections on the dell, the BT GPS is using Outgoing port com8. then in the gps settings in the system tab, the GPS program port is com1, and the GPS hardware port is com8. anything wrong there?

so when i connect to gps in virtualcup, i connect using com1 (as com8 is not available). when choosing an outgoing port for the bt gps, only com7 and com8 are available, neither of which are available to choose in virtualcup

Jim Galbally

ok, firstly most BT GPS units will oly pair with one device at a time. so if youve paired it to the HP, it may need to be re-connected from scratch to the Dell.

ok, your BT GPS will link to a com port, and it will be the com port specified under the bluetooth manager setings. as soon as you initiate a connection to that com port, it should kick in the BT connection and connect to the device. if it doesnt, MANAULLY conenct it before firing up GPSINFO/VC

if your BT comport is COM8, and GPSINFO recives data apily on COM8, then this is the one you want to be using for virtualcup.#

bear in mind only ONE application can use a com port at any one time, so if you'll want to close gpsinfo before firing up VC (soft reset's your best bet).

if you get it to work in gpsinfo you should be able to getit to work in VC.

im not sure what you mean by GPS program tho, you shouldnt need any 3rd part GP interface software on the PDA, it should communicate direct with the BT GPS unit.

ps i'll bring that pukka GPS unit to the ring with me so you can run it on both PDAs

foreigneRS

ok.

how do i manually connect it? the software is different on the dell to the hp (it windows mbile 5.1?) and doesn't mention anywhere about connecting.

that must be the problem that VC is not connecting to the BT GPS, as i can connect to it with the HP while VC is running on the dell (but not if gpsinfo is running on the dell and using the connection)

i have the following settings:

in Start > Settings > System tab > GPS > Hardware tab

Specify the hardware port to which your GPS device is connected. For more information, see documentation etc.

GPS Hardware port:
can select COM0 to COM9

i selected COM8 to be the same as in Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth

Baud rate: 9600 - i know that is correct

then we also have Start > Settings > System tab > GPS > Access tab

Manage GPS automatically (recommended) which is checked

in Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth > Devices

i did New Partnership, selected BT GPS and next, enter passkey of 0000, then finish

nothing will connect to the GPS until i also create an outgoing port in
Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth > COM Ports, and it is here that i can only choose com7 or com8

> COM ports tab, i only have the option of choosing com7 or com8. neither of those are available in VC (only the following in this order: COM2, COM3, COM5, COM1)

yep

i had hoped so, but as com7 or 8 are not available in VC, i don't see how i can

it's not a 3rd party software. it's in Start > Settings > System tab > GPS > Programs tab

GPS Settings. Choose the port that programs will use to obtain GPS data. Any program that uses GPS will need to communicate with this port. GPS program port: then a choice of (None), COM0 to COM9 but i cannot choose 8 as i get the ERROR: The GPS program port and hardware port cannot be the same value

think i need to reinstall VC, and then see

foreigneRS

re-install of VC didn't change anything

still cannot select COM8 in it

Jim Galbally

its a problem with the shonky dell stuff then

thats NOT a built in bit of software for windows mobile 5.

check the programs tab and see if theres some GPS rubbish you can remove.

you might need to contact the VC support people to ask about the COM port not showing up in VC... it should do!

sure it's not just dropped off the bottom of the screen for the selection box?

foreigneRS

VC got back to me about the problem, but too late. some issue with windows that can be solved apparently

mine worked well mostly - clocked my best lap of 8' 57" anyway and another 2 laps of 9' 14" where i had to slow for accidents not all of the 9 laps shown are me driving (i.e not the slow ones )

Nash

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Nice one Nick, Stu text Ben saying you made RP Labs Sick

foreigneRS

yeah, that was proper funny. he did well to hold it in for the rest of the lap really slow but didn't make it to the bog. puked in the bush just as you go around the corner to the car park

Jim Galbally

nick, what files do you copy from the PDA to the PC to get all that data out? is it the TRACE files?i only got 2 laps of mine timed and 2 of others, but it's a REALLY good tool! would reccomend it to anyone wanting to do track work

foreigneRS

yes jim, just the trace .txt files

then on the pc software go to menu > analysis

i will also import the data into excel as i want to check a few things. have to figure out the protocol first, but gps receiver manual has that info