Forgot to say,

I have directly experienced mapping sessions at both SCS and
Norris Designs dynos and the TUV paper means jack sh*t.
(not a diss to SCS)
They are identical dynos calibrated the same way.
One just a happens to be in Peterborough, the other in Wiltshire.

 

Good to see Simon has seen the light and got his calibrated to TUV approval , as that is the only way they would have been calibrated identically .

 

Mike,
There is no difference in the way they are calibrated.
Have a read of the Superflow dyno handbook.

TUV - Its all about how its calibration method and operation is recorded.

 

i look forward to this little debate

 

I have been through various TUV type approval processes in my career
in electronics design.

There are MANY levels and grades so until we know what type SCS's
dyno has it could be a self certified type or a full blown independant inspection.


More info here...
http://www.uk.tuv.com/web/product_te..._approved.html

It would be good if Mike could find out which TUV type and level Harvey has.

 

The full blown independent version as INSISTED upon by Ford UK, so that the figures obtained are entirely consistant with their own TUV calibrated Superflow dynos . For example, when Harvey and Ahmed developed the 220bhp N/A Puma rally engine (1.7 litre ), when it was put on Ford's own TUV calibrated Superflow dyno at Dunton and also on the same type calibrated dyno at Mountune and there was 0.8 bhp difference on one and 0.7bhp on the other .

 

Should have been put on a non tuv approved dyno as well really shouldnt it. Consistency and all that. Fucking TUV, why in gods name did you ever mention that Mike

But who cares tbh. Your engine will do the talking

 

Mike,

The TUV verification of the dyno doesnt change the way its calibrated
as this is specific to the make of dyno.
This was the point I was trying to get across.

Having the TUV certification only means an indepdent organisation comes
and checks your procedures and performs the calibration for you once a year.

 

I know what you're hinting at Simon, but try telling that to Corgi . In a similar type of scenario, we have to have our gas sniffers calibrated on a regular basis by a recognised body. If that calibration certificate is out by one day, as far as they are concerned, that gas sniffer is out of service and cannot be used until it is back under certification. By having the dyno calibrated to TUV standards, it gives the dyno accuracy specific recognition - nothing more, nothing less .

Anyway, as Rich said, this is about my engine .

 

Ok Mike, Its always about you

Surprised you are using a T4 but then your tuner is Harvey and he does
like to stick to the old school....

(I like T4's for the record as they are robust)


I presume you are fitting an RP labs ECU

 

It was ME who chose to stick with the trusty T4, Harvey is building everything to my spec and what I want out of the car. He tells me if I want something that he doesn't agree with and I either over-ride him (oh-er ) or have a think about what he is telling me and agree to go along with him.

Regarding your comment about ECU choice, you might actually care to click on the link I posted at the beginning of the thread .

 

Mike, must admit I didnt look, will do now

 

Car needed a bit more power - rumour has it you were turning into a bit of a mobile chicance in your old age Mike

 

That was the engine's age and NOT mine .

 

Mike,

After searching 6 pages Nice, Proper Pectel jobbie

Surprised you are not using what you/Harvey are selling though ?

I presume there is a technical reason for that or is it bling factor ???

 

I'll sell mikes engine secrets to the highest bidder

last i heard it was cooper rings, arp bolts, md240 turbo, light blues, 4wd manifold, 2wd inlet all on a 205 block to save weight for racing. minty minty he is pushing the boats out super secret was that he has even managed to source and old school PE stroker kit

 

Simon are you SURE you read the post? You can CLEARLY see why I have HAD to go with T6....

 

That's the last time I tell you ANYTHING!

 

Mike Rainbird,

I dont have time to read all 6 pages

I can see why T6 was the preferred choice, I just wanted you to squirm a bit

 

You don't have to read all six pages, all you have to do is see what inlet is on the car . Obviously you're not as clued up about Cossies as you would like to think .

If you were, you would know it wasn't a choice (other than it had to be this ECU or the top spec Motech one) , so why would I be squirming ?

 

Mike,

Chill, you are more sensitive to subjective banter than me LOL

I am fully aware of the specification of your inlet as I have had
direct experience of it myself using my own ecu.

Can you explain it or shall do it and I save you the cost of a call to Harvey

 

Given that I have already written a detailed technical article for Fast Ford magazine about the inlet and ECU (February 2007) , why don't YOU . Your ECU cannot support this type of inlet .

I'm perfectly chilled thanks, I just like to reply in a way that when you reply, people can see your agenda .

 

MIke,

No agenda - Just friendly banter

Havent bought Fast Ford since I was last in it

I have my ecu running on a car with the same roller barrels as it does support
multiple maps for precise throttle progression mapping.
As well as a merge feature for TPS and BOOST signal in the load calculation.

Also set up one on bike throttle bodies (fudges) which presents similar tuning
issues... unfortunately he killed the car before it was finally mapped.

So have a


I see you have the idle speed/ALS valve option

 

Shame you didn't spend as much time sorting out your ECU into a fully marketable system .

So just to clarify, you knew all along why I needed T6, but attempted to make me look like I wasn't prepared to use a product I sell . Nice .

And yes, that is why I wanted to keep my maram 247 shafted T4 .

 

Mike,

If you cant take banter you shouldnt dish it out....Sure your not a Maddette

 

MAD YUM,

Where is the lie then ? - Its a retoricle question

 

Simon,
I plainly know (and I'm sure everyone else can see as well ) the difference between banter and someone trying to score points .

Even YUM can do banter .

 

Recent posts in the dummy room suggest otherwise....

 

Nowt wrong with Harveys engines and T4's!

 

Bad days, Had a fair few myself

I was in Fast Ford ages ago (2001/2002 ish I think) just after I designed
my ecu on my car and started selling monitors.

All those fast flashy high speed camera shots and we never left Bath
multistory car park. Still, was a good article..

 

MAD YUM,

I only got negatives of the photo shoot which FF sent me allong with
10 copies of the magazine.

I will see if I can scan some in tonight.

I know you just want a picture of me so you know who to punch

 

ha ha ha

 

no other system is the world could run 4 coils after all

 

mike just take it to wiltshire and get 600 bhp like the MAD lot do and have done with it . then you can slep at night

 

Mike I'm sure you've done your homework, what topspeed do you think you will be capable of with this new engine?
cheers