Doh

My missus heater seems to have packed up in the Puma, theres no hot air coming though, the blower works though... anyone got any ideas?

mk1_orion_boy

Is there enough water in the radiator?

Hardeep_Singh

Heater Control Valve mate! there absolutley shit, there a common problem on puma's and fiesta's, whatever you do dont get a new one from ford as it will cause the car to overheater when you switch the blowers to hot as ford have got a different company to make them now instead of bosch (who the originals were made from) your best bet is the scrappys for about Ł20

Cheers,

Hardeep.

ballin

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Hardeep, surely not!? cause the car to over heat, why would ford allow that ?

scrappys never hold these either, they are one of the first things to go apparantly when a scrap fez/ka etc come in!

Doh

cheers guys, how much are they from Ford then?

GUZZLER

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thats funny, we've sold about 60 of them this month with no problems


finnis no. 1419 882 retails at Ł28.29 + vat

Doh

this thing i take it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Fiesta-ZS...QQcmdZViewItem

GUZZLER

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[quote="ballin"]Hardeep, surely not!? cause the car to over heat, why would ford allow that ?
quote]

Rich, the valve wouldn't really affect the heating of the engine, if its open it lets hot water to the matrix, when it closes it cuts the flow of water to the matrix, hence air in car is cold

It's Czech Mate

Yes he's right

In fact Bristol St Service dept in Brum told me there is a 4 part kit to modify the cooling system to get round the shiteness of the new valve. I saw the printout andd the finis numbers with my own eyes.

I went mental at them because i dont see why I should have to pay for the inadequacies of a part that doesnt function as well as the old one!

It's Czech Mate

[quote="GUZZLER"]
New valves cause overhaeating

Had it myself

Pop over to ZSOC.com and see how many others have had it

cfoster

I changed one of these on a friends Puma a few weeks ago. Check the wiring hasnt melted either as this one had melted the plug as well!!!! They are situated in the passenger kickwell just by the heater box!

ballin

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just been reading all through ZSOC, seems they are right, the new valve really does cause overheating

It's Czech Mate

I dont know the exact problem but the plunger in the new valve moves a few mm less and the internal bore of the parts the waterpipes slide onto is smaller

It just doesnt seem to be able to 'flow' enough...mine overheated at sustained high rpm but the temp dropped as soon as you back off.

Ford are aware of it but they are very cagey about giving me any details at Bristol Street.

GUZZLER

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not got time to read that post (need to register) spoke to someone who said there is a prob, good job we got our stock from another country

It's Czech Mate

The new problem part has a number that begins with a 98

The old part that works is a 96 number

Could you check yours please Guzzler?

If you have some 96 ones I'd like one and maybe could post your company details on ZSOC as LOTS of people are having problems and it would be a wicked help

ballin

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aye if you have 96 Matt put me down for one

Doh

and me

Hardeep_Singh

MattRS1600i

Thank you mate you saved me alot of typing proving the others wrong on this thread


i got mine from a scrappy as thats the only place you can get hold of an old one! i wasted my time taking one off as when i went to the office to pay, the guy already had about 4 of them on his shelf

Matt you are rite about the bore size mate i've had both new and old versions apart and measure them with a proper digital gauge and there was a difference, i even tried different swoped the plungers around but that didnt help.

This problem pissed me off so much i've decided never to by ford again specially with parts and lack of help to find a fix from ford

Ginge !

i sell a goo few of these and no one as complained about over heating,,,, and i sell about 80 a month,,,,,, average but then they are now 23.42 to our trade customers


they USED to be 39.52 then they went down to,,,,,, something as i still sell em for the original price,,,, why reduce the price of a part that sells 20 a week

good luck though


btw there has been cases of problems but not such a problem ford have sorted the issue


just like heater resistor part no 1311115 that theres also a wiring kit available for it JUST incase you seem to notice the plug is melted,,,, or even old shape transit indicator switchs,,, another one with wiring add ons


or EVEN BETTER,,,,, the transit rear door wiring looms,,,,, as they seem to gain a issue,,,,, but thats man made,,,,,,, on and the door mirror glasses aint all ways removed JJUST for the glass,,,,, if you see wiresn check you pay load people


wonder why ford are no longer the number one company when DAILY we supply parts that are KNOWN to have issues


we had a bloke with a mondeo with only cold comming out,,,, our poor techys where confused as usually its the fiestas that have that and the mondeos have speed related issues,,,,,,, THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO DO WORK,,,,,,, think they cryed that the WDS couldnt tell em either !!!!!!!

It's Czech Mate

What about the four part kit complete with finis codes that Bristol St in Brum offered to fit ( at a price...even tho it's their shitty part thats caused my problem! ). I know one of the parts was an enlarged water outlet but not the other three, all parts came of the screen and had finis codes. I saw it and spoke to the technician about it

Ginge !

theres no mods on mircocat, maybe on a blue card perhaps


its a known problem,,,, but the valves are also a known problem too and they aint sorted them out either


but ill look into the bodgit kit when im at work tommorow, it prob is available but i KNOW its not part of out stock range,,,,,, as i also order stock aswell as sell the parts to our trade customers,,,, and as i answer about 100 calls a day then i would hope to have heard of that problem by now

GUZZLER

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i checked our valves, 98 number, spoke to a few other dealers who have not had a problem with them either
can someone copy & paste the info from ZSOC? i can't be bothered registering.

Ginge !

guzzler ive known of a few that had valves that didnt open issues,,,,,, but over heating ive never PERSONALLY had someone call up and say that to me

you back at fords now ?

GUZZLER

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been back at TOMO/JAYDEEN for a few months, more in the warehouse now, the office work kills me, i get home after sitting at a desk all day & my head is knackered but my body has hardly moved, i kept piling on the pounds trying to burn some off in the warehouse now!

Ginge !

hey we had a call of someone there today asking about our closing my site ( yes the the higher powers belive that 16 million quid for our site is worth selling for and relocating elsewhere thats not as central,,,,,,, they dont fucking think about where the staff are gonna go on a friday night now do they

bollocks to warehouse work,,,,, at our new site they are trying to get me work frount counter/back counter,,,,,,,,,, I DONT WANNA LEAVE MY FOOKING AIRCON'D OFFICE FOR A FOOKING CUSTOMER FACING DEMOTION


think ill try me hand at car sales,,,,, lets face it thats a piss easy job aint it

ballin

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Matt I'll copy a load of shit off zxoc, gimme 2 secs

ballin

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Replaced valve, car starts overheating - BUT only on motorway (3-4000rpm) and only when heater is not on full. Needle goes about 4/5s way up, not into or beyond red. Brought back under control by slowing down and putting heaters on full blast




Okay. Your prob makes some sense to me as it happens in the halfway position, im guessing the cold position too.?

If you're set to halfway, the instrument panel or "climate control panel" or whatever ford call it, sends pulses to the HCV, this opens and closes the valve repeatedly to give the right temperature. With the valve open the coolant obviously passes through the matrix and back out through the HCV and back to the engine. With it in the cold position it bypasses the matrix through the valve. If the valve isn't letting coolant bypass through, i would assume the restriction of flow through the cooling system would cause the overheating.




lot of peeps seem to think its caused by the Ford coolant. when it overheats it turns into a thick red sludge, which blocks everything up and overhearts even more. what causes it to overheat in the first place though im not sure.

GazzaG

its strange thease are all going

the one in my escort has worked for years no probs

Saying that, it might break now

Ginge !

erm your escort dont have one mate,,,, thats prob why it hasnt failed yet the heater valve on my trainers also hasnt failed too


heres a strange one though,,,, the transit ones dont seem to fail as much