WHO ON HERE HAS HAD THE COSSIE ENGINE RE-BUILT
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it's lasted to 108k as standard then another 1k as stg 1.. but just getting smokier and smokier so i'm getting it rebuilt over the next few weeks to a higher spec.
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When i had mine it had done 138000 miles, stage 1, was a bit tappety when cold but was still going strong when i sold it. If i had kept it a rebuild would have been on the cards sooner rather than later.....
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most 'rebuilds' seem to have more to do with replacing things that have broken due to lack of maintenance or faults or poor tuning rather than just wear (and poor tuning can greatly accelerate wear - overfuelling, thinning of oil, then lack of maintence in oil changes and you've got bore wear or a spun main bearing etc).
i've rebuilt 2 yb's due to bore wear and piston ring and side skirt wear due to previous owners using shit chips. if everyone used a proper chip with closed loop fuelling, rebuilds would be a lot less common
i've rebuilt 2 yb's due to bore wear and piston ring and side skirt wear due to previous owners using shit chips. if everyone used a proper chip with closed loop fuelling, rebuilds would be a lot less common
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Originally Posted by GUZZLER
my escos engine was fooked due to it going to PTS
the missis's 3 door done a piston because i was pulling it off the clock from Heathrow to Brentwood on the M25
my 2wd done 100k with no problems,
the missis's 4x4 saff was 340bhp, 115k with no pronlems,
my 4x4, now stage 3 must be over 115k with no probs.
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the missis's 3 door done a piston because i was pulling it off the clock from Heathrow to Brentwood on the M25
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my 2wd done 100k with no problems,
the missis's 4x4 saff was 340bhp, 115k with no pronlems,
my 4x4, now stage 3 must be over 115k with no probs.
if you look after them they should be ok
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102k, still on original engine diffs and gearbox
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difff and box are a little noisy though
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
if everyone used a proper chip with closed loop fuelling, rebuilds would be a lot less common ![Wall](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/wall.gif)
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Instead they like to shout;
"You dont buy a YB for fuel economy"
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by foreigneRS
if everyone used a proper chip with closed loop fuelling, rebuilds would be a lot less common ![Wall](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/wall.gif)
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Instead they like to shout;
"You dont buy a YB for fuel economy"
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Originally Posted by gingeRS
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by foreigneRS
if everyone used a proper chip with closed loop fuelling, rebuilds would be a lot less common ![Wall](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/wall.gif)
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Instead they like to shout;
"You dont buy a YB for fuel economy"
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
55lb injectors(600cc) ,Stu's closed loop set up ,can see 350miles from a tank,
this is an off the shelf chip
best thing i have ever done
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this is an off the shelf chip
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i got a price for stu for the closed loop, but was unsure if that includes the mapping chip as well or not.
its currently got a power engineering stage 3 chip in it and fuel economy is very poor
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when i bought my 3dr over 4 years ago the egine had just been built to stage 3 spec and had 339 miles on it. I had to run it in. That engine lasterd me 2 years and did get used to its potential.
It eventually expired playing with a motorbike on the motorway, but up to this point it had been totally reliable.
Bought a another engine from Ryan when he broke his moonstone saff (its a harvey gibbs 400 engine) and that has not had any issues since going in - that includes about 4 trackdays too.
Maintenance is the key
It eventually expired playing with a motorbike on the motorway, but up to this point it had been totally reliable.
Bought a another engine from Ryan when he broke his moonstone saff (its a harvey gibbs 400 engine) and that has not had any issues since going in - that includes about 4 trackdays too.
Maintenance is the key
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Originally Posted by R4N S S
It eventually expired playing with a motorbike on the motorway, but up to this point it had been totally reliable.
Originally Posted by R4N S S
Maintenance is the key ![Top](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/smile011.gif)
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Originally Posted by gingeRS
Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
55lb injectors(600cc) ,Stu's closed loop set up ,can see 350miles from a tank,
this is an off the shelf chip
best thing i have ever done
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this is an off the shelf chip
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i got a price for Stu for the closed loop, but was unsure if that includes the mapping chip as well or not.
its currently got a power engineering stage 3 chip in it and fuel economy is very poor
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obviusly with a high than standard boost car more fuel is needed and subseqent borewash is a reality
thas why you chnage the oil and filter more regulary
thas why you chnage the oil and filter more regulary
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
Originally Posted by R4N S S
It eventually expired playing with a motorbike on the motorway, but up to this point it had been totally reliable.
Originally Posted by R4N S S
Maintenance is the key ![Top](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/smile011.gif)
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agree that mapping is also very important. One of the things many people overlook when upgrading and simply chuck a chip in that is not meant for the engine spec
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
obviusly with a high than standard boost car more fuel is needed and subseqent borewash is a reality
thas why you chnage the oil and filter more regulary
thas why you chnage the oil and filter more regulary
There is no need to ever inject more than the CORRECT amount of fuel into the airstream and this doesnt really change at any power level.
In fact, as a ratio, we tend to run LESS fuel per lb of air than an OEM does in teh first place as our engines are more efficient. The Focus RS is a great example of that.
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Originally Posted by R4N S S
it melted as i on and off the gas trying to get the bike to move outta my way ![Wall](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/wall.gif)
agree that mapping is also very important. One of the things many people overlook when upgrading and simply chuck a chip in that is not meant for the engine spec![Rolling Eyes](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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agree that mapping is also very important. One of the things many people overlook when upgrading and simply chuck a chip in that is not meant for the engine spec
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so what are putting that down to? lack of maintenance, component failure, mapping? must be a reason for it.
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
Rory - it's this simple. Get Stu's closed loop setup.
No ifs and buts - just get it. You'll save yourself the money on fuel in a few months...
No ifs and buts - just get it. You'll save yourself the money on fuel in a few months...
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i get paid in 2 days so i WILL be ordering this very soon. along with my new pc
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still unclear about the prices though
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You need to have if you dont already:
High Quality Bosch Lambda Sensor. Ł80
Installation of Lambda Boss into downpipe. Ł40
Wiring of Lambda, heaters & signal into Ecu. Ł50
Hardware Encryption Key for ECU software. Ł100.
Closed loop Map for your ecu, priced as follows:
Ł150 (Up to 803s) Ł250incVat (400s / 403s / Siemens 55lb+)
The boss and wiring can be done yourself if you are buying it mail order obviously.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by gingeRS
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You need to have if you dont already:
High Quality Bosch Lambda Sensor. Ł80
Installation of Lambda Boss into downpipe. Ł40
Wiring of Lambda, heaters & signal into Ecu. Ł50
Hardware Encryption Key for ECU software. Ł100.
Closed loop Map for your ecu, priced as follows:
Ł150 (Up to 803s) Ł250incVat (400s / 403s / Siemens 55lb+)
The boss and wiring can be done yourself if you are buying it mail order obviously.
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its just me being stupid, as i have a 1992 with lambda, can assume its a L8 ecu?
the thing i was wondering wasdoes the closed loop map, the same as a stage 3 chip? or is it totally seperate.
would i be right in thinking if my car is L8, with lambda already installed, i can go closed loop for Ł250.
i was just unclear as to when it was in closed loop mode, it would be your chip and when it was in boost mode, it would be the stage 3 chip
if you get me?
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Originally Posted by gingeRS
its just me being stupid, as i have a 1992 with lambda, can assume its a L8 ecu?
the thing i was wondering wasdoes the closed loop map, the same as a stage 3 chip? or is it totally seperate.
the thing i was wondering wasdoes the closed loop map, the same as a stage 3 chip? or is it totally seperate.
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The ONLY thing you need to check is that you have a standard weber board in your Ecu and not a Pectel derivative.
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If your car is properly maintain it should go for ages. I only rebuilt mine because a valve seat came out
Though it only bent a valve a just slightly marked the piston. I culd have patched it up and it would have been fine. Though i made it an excuse for a total rebuild to 400bhp. But tbh it was on excuse to do that as i could have patched it up for Ł300 max and she would have been fine agian. and thats in 30k miles i suppose as i think i had the car at 60k and done 80k ish when it happened.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by gingeRS
its just me being stupid, as i have a 1992 with lambda, can assume its a L8 ecu?
the thing i was wondering wasdoes the closed loop map, the same as a stage 3 chip? or is it totally seperate.
the thing i was wondering wasdoes the closed loop map, the same as a stage 3 chip? or is it totally seperate.
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The ONLY thing you need to check is that you have a standard weber board in your Ecu and not a Pectel derivative.
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then, as soon as the missus car is fixed, i'll post you it for the upgrades, as my soldering isnt too great
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Originally Posted by gingeRS
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by gingeRS
its just me being stupid, as i have a 1992 with lambda, can assume its a L8 ecu?
the thing i was wondering wasdoes the closed loop map, the same as a stage 3 chip? or is it totally seperate.
the thing i was wondering wasdoes the closed loop map, the same as a stage 3 chip? or is it totally seperate.
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The ONLY thing you need to check is that you have a standard weber board in your Ecu and not a Pectel derivative.
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then, as soon as the missus car is fixed, i'll post you it for the upgrades, as my soldering isnt too great
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As for soldering, no need pal, it plugs right on in.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by gingeRS
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by gingeRS
its just me being stupid, as i have a 1992 with lambda, can assume its a L8 ecu?
the thing i was wondering wasdoes the closed loop map, the same as a stage 3 chip? or is it totally seperate.
the thing i was wondering wasdoes the closed loop map, the same as a stage 3 chip? or is it totally seperate.
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The ONLY thing you need to check is that you have a standard weber board in your Ecu and not a Pectel derivative.
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then, as soon as the missus car is fixed, i'll post you it for the upgrades, as my soldering isnt too great
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As for soldering, no need pal, it plugs right on in.
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will take a picture this weekend, then if all is well, i'll be on the phone next
week to order the closed loop setup
will be interesting to see if i can get 300 miles to a tank as that will improve my fuel econmoy by 50%
will also be interesting to see if your stage 3 chip is any different to the one thats in there at the minute....and you can finally tell me what to set my CO to
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Not sure if im being silly but dont the later 4x4's come with Lambda control already? whats the diffrence with this and closed loop?
Can you also run this with air injectors Stu?
Can you also run this with air injectors Stu?
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Originally Posted by gingeRS
so if i got a new stage 3 chip for my saff, could i expect more than the 206 miles i just got from a full tank on my car? mostly round town driving
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I got 435 miles on one tank while using Stu's closed loop chip
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took the actuator off the wastegate and held it open with a spring?
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Originally Posted by GUZZLER
my escos engine was fooked due to it going to PTS
the missis's 3 door done a piston because i was pulling it off the clock from Heathrow to Brentwood on the M25
my 2wd done 100k with no problems,
the missis's 4x4 saff was 340bhp, 115k with no pronlems,
my 4x4, now stage 3 must be over 115k with no probs.
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the missis's 3 door done a piston because i was pulling it off the clock from Heathrow to Brentwood on the M25
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my 2wd done 100k with no problems,
the missis's 4x4 saff was 340bhp, 115k with no pronlems,
my 4x4, now stage 3 must be over 115k with no probs.
if you look after them they should be ok
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After going to P.T.S
They have a name round here PERFORMANCE TOILET SYSTEMS!!!
Ive heard some horrendous (sp) horror stories about there work
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And i have too
My cossie engine lasted 94k and started to tapp from the bottom end
so i had it rebuilt before anything major happend to it.
Now done 1600 miles on an Andy Fisher rebuild
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My cossie engine lasted 94k and started to tapp from the bottom end
so i had it rebuilt before anything major happend to it.
Now done 1600 miles on an Andy Fisher rebuild
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my engine had 48k on it when i took it out for a rebuild ( 330 bhp ), not cos there was any thing wrong, but cos i was upping the power to 450 bhp
i built it myself with good parts and was set up by some one i trust, other than a set of blown plugs ( because of a spilt injector seal ) it has been as good as gold for 3k ( don't use it much lol ) with regular maintenance they should last, i work for a main dealer and i see new cars with as low as 30k on them needing a rebuild due to the customers service idea ( lift the bonnet when it don't start or there's a rod sticking out the block lol ) yet i see the same engines doing ni on 300k that have been looked after!!!
i am interested in the closed loop system although i do have ALS, will it still work on this set up stu ??
i built it myself with good parts and was set up by some one i trust, other than a set of blown plugs ( because of a spilt injector seal ) it has been as good as gold for 3k ( don't use it much lol ) with regular maintenance they should last, i work for a main dealer and i see new cars with as low as 30k on them needing a rebuild due to the customers service idea ( lift the bonnet when it don't start or there's a rod sticking out the block lol ) yet i see the same engines doing ni on 300k that have been looked after!!!
i am interested in the closed loop system although i do have ALS, will it still work on this set up stu ??
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stu surely when i said that i mean for a normal chip say a 195 or A old chip used on a cossie back in the day not a specifically written chip foran engine
am i corrrect or still smelly garbage???
just i read in a mag from 1992 when people like collins had already tuned up the escort cossie and commented that there was so much borewash if not serviced oftenenough there was big clearances after only 20k
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am i corrrect or still smelly garbage???
just i read in a mag from 1992 when people like collins had already tuned up the escort cossie and commented that there was so much borewash if not serviced oftenenough there was big clearances after only 20k
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Originally Posted by lamb chops
Not sure if im being silly but dont the later 4x4's come with Lambda control already? whats the diffrence with this and closed loop?
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Originally Posted by lamb chops
Not sure if im being silly but dont the later 4x4's come with Lambda control already? whats the diffrence with this and closed loop?
Can you also run this with air injectors Stu?
Can you also run this with air injectors Stu?
Yes the late greentop was closed loop as std, but obviously only worked with std injectors, once you swopped the program out for bigger injectors it didnt work as the algorythms addressed different memory areas for a 3bar map sensor and thus you had a car that would run quite high boost at lambda 1, so the old non green programs were traditionally used instead. I addressed this problem and have it working perfectly up to 1000cc. The bonus is that these cars are fully wired and equipped, so you just need to pop in a decent program and you are away.
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Originally Posted by DENNIS
i am interested in the closed loop system although i do have ALS, will it still work on this set up Stu ??
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
Stu surely when i said that i mean for a normal chip say a 195 or A old chip used on a cossie back in the day not a specifically written chip foran engine
am i corrrect or still smelly garbage???
just i read in a mag from 1992 when people like collins had already tuned up the escort cossie and commented that there was so much borewash if not serviced oftenenough there was big clearances after only 20k
am i corrrect or still smelly garbage???
just i read in a mag from 1992 when people like collins had already tuned up the escort cossie and commented that there was so much borewash if not serviced oftenenough there was big clearances after only 20k