Adjustable Rear Beams - Which is the one to go for?
12-11-2006, 09:57 AM
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All these people who are going about having Group A this that and the other - remember, in 99% of cases on this board, they're for fast road or very occasional trackday use.
Judging by the limited driving talent, it just seems sensible to suggest that WRC back ends on cars that do three trackdays a year is more than slight overkill, hence why I think Brom's setup offers excellent value for money. Obviously on Brom's car, it's different....
Welding on my beam looked spot on too - it's now resting in the back of a Zetec Turbo powered 3 door.
Judging by the limited driving talent, it just seems sensible to suggest that WRC back ends on cars that do three trackdays a year is more than slight overkill, hence why I think Brom's setup offers excellent value for money. Obviously on Brom's car, it's different....
Welding on my beam looked spot on too - it's now resting in the back of a Zetec Turbo powered 3 door.
13-11-2006, 12:37 PM
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Great thread with lots of good opinions, but can anyone explain (technically) why the Brom beam is better, or the Ahmed one or the Group A one ?
The Group A beam in the pics looks different from the Group A beams in RS500's in Touring car times end 80's with the long ali/mag arms, will these work better than Ahmed/Brom "fast road" versions ?
Is there an explanation on what makes these beams work so much better than std, presumably altering roll centers and camber/toe change ?
I don't think it matters too much if the beam is round or square besides stiffness, but the pick up points and their relative possition to the wheel is what will matter - Just some thoughts.
The Group A beam in the pics looks different from the Group A beams in RS500's in Touring car times end 80's with the long ali/mag arms, will these work better than Ahmed/Brom "fast road" versions ?
Is there an explanation on what makes these beams work so much better than std, presumably altering roll centers and camber/toe change ?
I don't think it matters too much if the beam is round or square besides stiffness, but the pick up points and their relative possition to the wheel is what will matter - Just some thoughts.
13-11-2006, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by elxr8393
Is there an explanation on what makes these beams work so much better than std, presumably altering roll centers and camber/toe change ?
a big part of grp a being thought of as 'better' may be that the associated spring and damper rates are also added at the same time which will also be an improvement over std road ones, or most 'fast road' ones.
14-11-2006, 10:25 AM
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And so do the Group A beams have better pick up points again than Brom and Ahmed ?
Tim, are you talking about Escos Rally Group A beams ? I assume this is different from 3 door Group A WTCC beams as the long ali arms on that other website look like the old Texaco style WTCC ones.
Tim, are you talking about Escos Rally Group A beams ? I assume this is different from 3 door Group A WTCC beams as the long ali arms on that other website look like the old Texaco style WTCC ones.
14-11-2006, 10:34 AM
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here are a few pics of the wrc style back end thanks to marco u got the exact pic up points for the lateral link bars from dome when we went to measure a wrc escort they had in
the bloke said why do u want them i said cuz am gonna put it into my 3door he said am mad
lol
ohh and heres a couple for you garth the front end total redesigned and the coil pack cam cover u asked me about
the bloke said why do u want them i said cuz am gonna put it into my 3door he said am mad
lol
ohh and heres a couple for you garth the front end total redesigned and the coil pack cam cover u asked me about
14-11-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by elxr8393
And so do the Group A beams have better pick up points again than Brom and Ahmed ?
Tim, are you talking about Escos Rally Group A beams ? I assume this is different from 3 door Group A WTCC beams as the long ali arms on that other website look like the old Texaco style WTCC ones.
Tim, are you talking about Escos Rally Group A beams ? I assume this is different from 3 door Group A WTCC beams as the long ali arms on that other website look like the old Texaco style WTCC ones.
when i designed the beam the zoo beam i took the rs00 beam as a starting point it has extended mounts on front as most will know i then slotted the holes and played about with toe in and camber angles as the wishbone moved threw its arc
it took 3 beams to get it how i wanted it and as mike says it does what it says on the tin
hope this helps
, and that 3 door back end 
14-11-2006, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
when i designed the beam the zoo beam i took the rs00 beam as a starting point it has extended mounts on front as most will know i then slotted the holes and played about with toe in and camber angles as the wishbone moved threw its arc
it took 3 beams to get it how i wanted it and as mike says it does what it says on the tin
hope this helps
it took 3 beams to get it how i wanted it and as mike says it does what it says on the tin
hope this helps
14-11-2006, 03:47 PM
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i have a zoo rear beam in my escos,its probably the best mod ive done for handling and traction.its no good having big power if you cant get it down on the tarmac ps the welding on my beam looks excellent 
ps the welding on my beam looks excellent
15-11-2006, 01:22 AM
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hi there mike
i still have your welding gloves here lol
i can turn one around in 10 days sometimes less depends how buzy the powdercoaters are
before end of month wont be a problem ?
go on ya know you want to
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nov been a good month for beams
2 threw mike r
1 to island 1 to aussie land
2 wrc set ups going to norway
a escort cozzy 2moz
a fezza 4x4 wrc kit in next weekend
one to my mate jon
so your wud round it off nicly
i still have your welding gloves here lol
i can turn one around in 10 days sometimes less depends how buzy the powdercoaters are
before end of month wont be a problem ?
go on ya know you want to
lol
nov been a good month for beams
2 threw mike r
1 to island 1 to aussie land
2 wrc set ups going to norway
a escort cozzy 2moz
a fezza 4x4 wrc kit in next weekend
one to my mate jon
so your wud round it off nicly
15-11-2006, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
hi there mike
i still have your welding gloves here lol
i can turn one around in 10 days sometimes less depends how buzy the powdercoaters are
before end of month wont be a problem ?
go on ya know you want to
lol
i still have your welding gloves here lol
i can turn one around in 10 days sometimes less depends how buzy the powdercoaters are
before end of month wont be a problem ?
go on ya know you want to
lol
I got a few pairs cheap.
Must admit I am considering one but it won't be this month
Just wondering what the turnaround time was so looks like
2 weeks is about right
did something arrive in the post?
15-11-2006, 11:20 PM
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nope...pure rubbish. Triste did something arrive in the post?
yes.. something did come in the post the other day ... just what i was after.. thanks Martin
16-11-2006, 01:02 AM
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garth that was in development stages it dont use a nut on proper set up its threaded
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17-11-2006, 11:18 AM
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Thanks for the explanations so far, another question though - why is it called a 6 degree beam ? what is the roll center changed to and from ?
Does anyone know what the alloy/mag long armed 3 door WTCC cars were running as far as 6 degrees etc goes ?
Like most of you, for some reason, I need to know why it works - I believe, from the experts here, that it does though ! The number of people that have explained that this conversion was worth more to them than a bunch of hp is testimant to it's benefits.
Does anyone know what the alloy/mag long armed 3 door WTCC cars were running as far as 6 degrees etc goes ?
Like most of you, for some reason, I need to know why it works - I believe, from the experts here, that it does though ! The number of people that have explained that this conversion was worth more to them than a bunch of hp is testimant to it's benefits.
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20-11-2006, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Standard beams are 18°.
Grp A square beams are 9°.
I don't know what the WRC ones are, as they are totally different.
Grp A square beams are 9°.
I don't know what the WRC ones are, as they are totally different.
Sorry if the questions are getting painful, just trying to understand what is clearly an important part of the car, PB
04-03-2008, 11:18 PM
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Didnt a chap caled jonny b doa proper space frame type beam???I had the link sent to me the other day unsure who sent me it.I have a brom beam in my car and must say it is the muts nuts.Also need to book in with brom for another corner wieght as things have changed.