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Can global warming be slowed or stopped?

Is this just another excuse for another Tax?


They have done this with so many things, like speed cameras, high fuel taxation and congestion charging, which is no doubt going to expand across other areas of the country and just another good source of revenue. Not forgetting Toll road tax which should be with us soon on a motorway near you! Is it the Governments solution to every problem, TAX IT?


Either the Govt are extremely clever or we are just stupid for listening to it and believing paying more tax will help, when Forests are still been ripped and burned up and some countries vehicles are pushing out so much shit from their exhausts its criminal in comparison to our laws on emissions! It seems to be the way that if the Govt, etc say something long enough and loud enough (speed kills, etc, etc) and regardless of the facts, people will believe it!


It just seems that the UK seems to be doing something about it in the way of more taxes and the rest of the world, do little or nothing!!!!! Apparently we account for 2% of the worlds co2 output and the Govt know this and do not expect it to make much or any difference at all ...but they still want to tax it?

Or am I just paranoid and too scared to look behind me

GUZZLER

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it seems this goverment is always looking for another way to screw a bit more money from its people
if they didn't let so many thousands of imigrants flock here that may be a good start, they could put that money towards enviroment issues, plus it would be less people polluting, less houses to be built etc...
if people were made more aware of recycling etc that would also help, we have 2 bins at home, 1 for general waste, 1 for recycling cardboard, plastic etc, we used to have an average of 5-6 bin bags a week, now its normally 3, the rest gets recycled.

the original

It is a very real and serious problem.
But nothing we here do will change it
reason is the sheer size of India and CHINA
our output will be negligible compared to them
So I am gonna be selfish and boost all the petrol away while i can.
then i can tell my grandchildren in their electric cars about the glory days of a thing called petroleum

antony215

Government's think that if they put the tax up high enough then people will use less of whatever it is but it dont work like the toll tax on motorways that aint going to stop people driving there cars they will just go round and through the small town's and villages and put strain on the road there and in turn that will then make the government put road tax up to cover the cost of repairs on them roads . Take petrol for one they up the price on that all the time people may have a problem about it but we ALL!! still pay it because we need it for everyday life Till they come out with car's/lorry's that runs on water they aint going to solve the global warming problem no matter how much recycling people do and even when they make a car that run's on water they will tax that and then start to tell us were runing low on water

Graham S1

there is no climate change, it's all a conspiracy to get more money out of you.

ok, sensible hat on, what happened to all this "investment", into "public" transport, that was supposed to happen when Labour came to power? how are we supposed to give up cars when there is no alternative?

example, the missus would have to leave an hour and a half, before she started work, because she would have to get off the bus to drop little one off at school, then wait for the next one to come along, then change again to get a bus out to the far end of town she works at.

energy savings in industry can make far more difference than you and I changing a few lightbulbs to energy savers. how many offices do you know that leave hundreds of computers on standby all night and all weekend?

and also as said, the newly developing nations need to reduce their pollution output. I think it was on the news last night, if the UK stopped CO2 output completely, china would make up for it within a year or so.

plus we'd also need to stop volcano's erupting somehow.

Mr RS500

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MORE BOLLOCKS FROM THE DO GOODERS

We are one of the smallest countries in the world , yet we try to change the world

How the hell can we make it any better when america / china etc arnt bothered and they are the worst poluters in the world

This is just another way to get more taxes form the british to pay for all the bloody imigrants we are stupid enough to let in

Anonymous

To be fair though, thats just bollocks, everyone can do their bit, you could argue that we should be leading by example so that we are in a better position to put political pressure on those countries to follow.

All bollocks anyway though given that the most powerful man on the earth (US president still qualfies for that title i think?) is obsessed with collecting and selling as much oil as possible.

Bullett

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personally i believe its just nature.we aint been here long enough to make a difference.the ice age disappeared did they blame that on fuel use?no. the dinosaurs died was that global warming?no. plus we are getting closer to the sun every year there for it gets hotter! fucking goverment.the money cant replace whats been lost in the ozone anyway can it wankers!

Graham S1

or the land based species lost to deforestation, or sea based life do to the shit that gets pumped/dumped in the sea.

we live on a priceless blue pearl in a universe of fire and ice. why do we try to destroy it?

dangerous - reyland

The Govt sucks

they are always looking to increase taxes as they have overspent / undercontroled their outgoings.

I wouldnt mind if the taxes actually were going to be applied to develop or support a product /process that reduces emissions but their strategy is just to make it too expensive for the majority to use

we floated a Co called Agcert who have a process that removes methane from pig / cow shit
When you consider the massive frams in the US, Brazil etc this IS the sort of initiative that will make a difference

BTW I own two 4x4 s but i get through Ł25 diesel per week & the Mrs about Ł10
Does that make us mass poluters or are we just an easy target ???

Rhys

To be honest we do need to reduce emission! simple to world is changing fact. But its no good just the UK doing anything as if we stoped producing CO2 today in 2 years the Chinese expansion in economy would compansate for that!


Only way to do it is get a world wide agreement not just us All well and good taxing us, but what about giving us alternatives? Just cos you going to tax me a million Ł on my car doesnt mean im not going to use it as i have no sensible alternative at the moment

collierm

I read an article on the BBC site the other day and it said Blair to tackle Climate Change. Great I thought, maybe something will be done finally, Kyoto isn't working.

I read the article and Tony Blair says we must act now else climate change can destroy the global economy by 20%. Typical, its money again. They want to continue economic growth, they don't care about the planet at all. Pissed me right off. When does a company earn enough money. I'd be happy for the economy to stay where it is. We all earn enough money, start ploughing some into proper climate change. For the economy to grow, we have to use more of the resources than we do now. Stupid fucking money grabbing wankers.

And before you ask, we move house soon, will be getting solar and wind power in, recycling shitloads and composting. We decided to do our bit and start small, as the government does fuck all except take my green tax and give it to a non English speaking twat so he can buy a Ł200K house.

Every little bit helps and I'm trying to do mine. I even scrapped the Cossie as it was a polluter

Cheers

Matt

neilm

The key thing that cracks me up they keep banging on about Carbon Dioxide emmissions

Well if I remember my middle school Biology, dont plants turn carbon dioxide into oxygen overnight using something called Photosynthesis ?


So SURELY... the answer to carbon dioxide control is to stop building fooking houses on green fields and plant more fooking trees.....

PaulCossie

I haven't read all the other replies, but from what i understand...

a) the planet is certainly warming up
b) the ice caps are melting
c) over the next 30/40 years the sea level is estimated to rise by 10FT
(according to leading experts/scientists)

I don't know what other effects there will be and if it can be stopped

This government is making itself even more un-popular now and all these taxes are hammering us normal people who work, pay tax and want some of the luxeries that working brings.

They are targeting taxes at people who they know have the money to pay them, and all we can do about it is use our Votes at the next election wisly.

Pikey spongers will be the only people who can aviod more stealth taxes


Anyway, that my 10p's worth

rs shawn

In the paper today we were quoted as being 2% worth of the problem.....
Funnily enough: they mentioned the size of India and China.

Katie

Theory of reduction of CO2 output = good...methodology and implementation = utter shit, but not a lot of alternative exists.

eg..''Working class'' people won't be able to afford foreign holidays...the rich will still go, just pay more. The rich will still use their 4x4's..just pay more for them..The example of Richmond and the woman with 1 child and a Range Rover that was brought to our attention earlier in the week is a perfect example of this. She doesn't need one, but because she can afford one..she has one...she'll also be able to afford being charged more for it. Thus taxes inconvenience her financially, but won't stop her owning/emitting to current extents.
I think there should be lower fuel prices for small/energy efficient vehicles (not just road tax related savings). Lots of people who considered buying a car would consider one with a smaller engine if it was going to be substantially cheaper at the pumps...

I can't see why some people say ''why should we do something, nobody else will, india, china etc''.

It's very easy to say when you live in a service industry dominated area like the uk...we polluted the world hundreds of years ago in our industrial heydey. Many other countries eg India, are starting to expand now so ''need'' to emit to produce the wealth the country needs to support it's population (which will soon outgrow that of China as it's growing stupidly fast). Point being, we are a rich nation...we don't ''need'' to emit now for factory/primary productivity on a huge scale...if we can set an example that can be followed then it is more persuasive to Bush and the US/Japan..all these large nations...The Uk is a G8 country, regardless of size it's really influential in setting up ideas like Kyoto...enforcing them onto people like Bush is hard when you can't say your own people are doing it.

If we say ''oh there's only 50m of us we'll sit on our arses''...so will the other 6billion people in the world..
It's like anything, somebody has to start before things catch on..like streets who recycle, one house starts, then they all do it...

Sunil_FiestaRS1800

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Im with you mate. I dont think anyone has actually 100% proved that we are causing "global warming" with our emmissions. It could just be another stage in the earths cycle and there is nothing we can doit about it.

Physio

Why do immigrants get bought up in nearly every thread on here recently

This is a thread about global warming not immigrants, next you'll be posting on a thread entitled 'cossie's not working' writing "it's because of the bloody immigrants were letting in"

Rhys

Dont you relise AJ they are cuaisng ALL the problems in the world! Even making the country get hotter

Physio

Oh yeah - my bad

Just getting abit boring now reading the same things on her daily

Bullett

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i totally agree with the problems of cutting too many trees down and polluting the sea.it is stupid but i dont think that humans have been here long enough to cause the heat rising problem.the earth is god knows how old and we have only been on it for a tiny per cent of the time.

im not saying that we are doing any good at all because dumping the shit in the sea and getting rid of so much wild habitat is stupid and i totally hate it,im a massive animal and nature lover and it sickens me to see what people do but i wouldnt stop driving my car because they think it will reverse global warming

Rab

It's all the curry mate.

Well, I know I tend to expel a bit more gas after a hot one


Basically, about global warming, it doesn't matter if we change now. Damage is done. Ice Age is coming people.

neilm

If everyone just knocked their central heating back a couple of degrees I'm sure that will help....

Instead of sitting round in just your shorts and T shirt in the winter...


YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !!!!

trevCOSS

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im doing my bit i've gone closed loop

James

interesting one, i think more needs to be done to put pressure on businesses to save energy & recycling.

As someone said if you drive past any offices at night - usually gov't officies - theres always lights & computers left on.
It's the same with paper & cardboard and other recycable meterials, around here we all have a plastic box to put stuff in and the bin men empty it every 2 weeks, only you forgot so it don't get done then you forget which week your in so don't bother, if they put a biggish bin at the end of each street it'd work much better imho.

Bullett

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nice idea mate but it wouldnt take long before the chav scum set light to it

James

but if you sent all the immigrants back home it'd be alright.

trevCOSS

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on a more serious note im not sure where I stand, im currently part of an incentive to gain iso 14001 for my firm (enviromental policy) now all the stuff we can do is great, save power re cycle dont pollute etc, partly because is good for the enviroment and partly because its can save us money, however im also a bit of a Statistician and all the stats we have been shown as part of our education are being manipulated to show trends that just arent there or to show the severity of trends massively exaggerated to show things changing much faster than the stats really show. Im on the fence a little, we probably should do what we can but taxing is not the answer.

Physio

NUNOOKS

ITS ALRIGHT FOR THE GOV TO TELL US THAT WE HAVE TO STOP USING OUR GAS GUZZLING CARS BUT ARE THEY GOING TO STOP USING THERE 5 LITRE JAGS AND BMW AND ALL GET ELECTRIC CARS LIKE THEY WANT US TO HAVE .

Harris.

100% agree with you. Im starting to hate the u.k !!!! Ive been here since i was in my dads sack and you can see this place is in so much trouble money wise, Good old tony blair

Mr Orange

my 2ps worth,

ive read 3 papers 2day an they have all sayed the same thing,

we only produce 2% of the worlds emmisions,
if our emmisions dissapeared, china would make up for it withen a year,
they currently make 25% india an usa are 24% an 15%, iirc,
we have reduced our emmisions by 14% claimed 1 paper,
if goin by this paper, why should we get taxed when we have done something right??
usa dont give 2 fucks about any1 else but themselves an china wont care either, unless something makes them sit up an listen to the people who know what may happen

its just for money, the government dont know what to do with the cash but wants to rake in more an more,

why cant they get their issues straight, sort out the nhs, fix the roads, tackle illegal immigration, give the armed forces the proper funding they need,

i have a friend who ive known for over 14years, he's currently serving in iraq on border patrol, i only hope he comes home in 1 piece!

plynchy

I absolutely can not get to work on public transport, ever. I'd love to , so I could go out on the lash the night before and not have to think about driving at 6 am. Thats 1 issue.

India, China, USA. Stop using a massive % of the globes oil & gas, they really need regulating as srictly as the UK already is, NOW. Not just talking about CO2, but the rest of the crap they pump into their rivers etc etc.

Taxing the UK even higher will make FUCK ALL difference.

How many peeps on here will stop using their cars? It's a complete scam to get more money out of Mr & Mrs Honest Taxpayer that are already taxed to the hilt.

Why the big issue with 4x4's?? Many of them have a similar "footprint" to a large exec car, so don't take up any more room on the road, and are certainly more economical than either of my guzzlers.

I'm off out now in my de-catted FRS to burn some 4* (if I can find some).

Mark V8

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The Labour government some how manage to convince people to vote for them time after time
The scum suckers have even changed the name of "Road Tax" to vehicle excise duty as they spend fuck all of it on our roads

IF they raised taxes on carbon based fuels and actually spent the money paying scientists to reasearch cool stuff like fusion reactors then I could see the point but they will just spunk it away on bullshit wars and foreign cunts leaving us even deeper in the shit.

This country is going down the toilet, it's run by a combination of lying commie tossers and do gooders. Germany was in much the same situation around 65 years ago and look what happened

Bring on the revolution

Mark

Mr RS500

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How did i know i would upset the imigrant lovers with my reply

Your all so predictable

Physio

Not an immigrant lover - just bored of reading the same thing over & over again

Mr RS500

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Im board of paying for the fookers over and over again

plynchy

You do your own tax as well Paul!

How do you think I feel working for a "company"?? I know I pay a shit load more than any of my self employed mates.

Harris.

HERE WEEEEEEEE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Mr RS500

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We all pay Tax mate ,,