Oh dear dog problems...
25-09-2006, 06:05 PM
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Oh dear dog problems...
...since that toddler was killed by those Rotties we are getting nasty comments as we walk ours 
...papers are saying ban em and calling them Devil dogs 
I do feel though that it would be a good idea for a dog license to own certain breeds just to stop the wrong people owning them...the bredders dont care they just want your money
...and by the way a PROPER German Rottweiler should weigh no more than about 70kilos at peak weight and height...so many IDIOTS are claiming 13 stone dogs thats like obease fat and BAD for them extremely.
This dog was 48kg MAX weight
Awesome dog and i was fully aware of the dangers to small children...he was never brought up with them..none of my dogs are...so we are very careful....I am a Rottie fanatic...only dog breed i had and had 8 now and bred many AND vetted the buyers as much as you can!
The trouble with the situation here was the stupid idit of an owner (who i now beleive has been stabbed and the wife killed
) is that they where trained guard dogs...FFS you NEVER train a Rottie to guard FATAL...you train an Alsation to guard NEVER a Rottie...Its instinct for one and you never tamper with that...Police gave up using em due to not being able to stop them attacking...well then just bring them up normally then and use em
...papers are saying ban em and calling them Devil dogs I do feel though that it would be a good idea for a dog license to own certain breeds just to stop the wrong people owning them...the bredders dont care they just want your money
...and by the way a PROPER German Rottweiler should weigh no more than about 70kilos at peak weight and height...so many IDIOTS are claiming 13 stone dogs thats like obease fat and BAD for them extremely.
This dog was 48kg MAX weight
Awesome dog and i was fully aware of the dangers to small children...he was never brought up with them..none of my dogs are...so we are very careful....I am a Rottie fanatic...only dog breed i had and had 8 now and bred many AND vetted the buyers as much as you can!
The trouble with the situation here was the stupid idit of an owner (who i now beleive has been stabbed and the wife killed
) is that they where trained guard dogs...FFS you NEVER train a Rottie to guard FATAL...you train an Alsation to guard NEVER a Rottie...Its instinct for one and you never tamper with that...Police gave up using em due to not being able to stop them attacking...well then just bring them up normally then and use em
25-09-2006, 06:10 PM
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Mate, this has been going on for YEARS with pitbulls. Wankers don't get that it's how they are brought up. Although it's a shame what happened to this child, I want to know where were the parents at the time?
25-09-2006, 06:10 PM
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Re: Oh dear dog problems...
Love Rott's 
Had 2 when I was younger, Like about 6 years old, NEVER once had a problem
was looked after to well, Shame we still dont have them
How do you know that! And why did she kill him
Had 2 when I was younger, Like about 6 years old, NEVER once had a problem
was looked after to well, Shame we still dont have them
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
The trouble with the situation here was the stupid idiot of an owner (who i now beleive has been stabbed and the wife killed )
) How do you know that! And why did she kill him
25-09-2006, 06:12 PM
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It is all to do with the way they are brought up. Although no dog should be trusted 100% as they can do things without even knowing.
What happened the other day was a very sad thing and no family or DOG OWNER should ever have to go through it.
Graham
What happened the other day was a very sad thing and no family or DOG OWNER should ever have to go through it.
Graham
25-09-2006, 06:21 PM
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we feel so sorry and so sad for the parents of the baby, dont know what their rotties were like, we ve two rotties, they are great out and about, with adults and kids, and great with us and our kids, and great in the house but if anyone shows to be a threat, they will protect. to the last, i sopose that what people get afraid of, i think its how you bring them up and how you treat them, i personal think they are natural guard dogs any way, its in their breeding
25-09-2006, 06:27 PM
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so sorry to hear this mate! as much as i feel sorry for the loss of a baby,what the hell were the parents thinking leaving the kid alone with 2 GUARD dogs?! these obviously aint your normally friendly rotties.and what were they donig looking after a pub with a 5mth old baby! im so 
they put the dogs down due to the parents lack of attention and care.
i so couldnt put up with the abuse you are gettin.i'd be knocking people out left,right and centre!
try to ignore the narrow mindedness as best you can pal.
at least yours are brought up right and thats something you can be proud of.
they put the dogs down due to the parents lack of attention and care. i so couldnt put up with the abuse you are gettin.i'd be knocking people out left,right and centre!
try to ignore the narrow mindedness as best you can pal.
at least yours are brought up right and thats something you can be proud of.
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I dont know a lot about this, but im sure the news was on about
the owner being away? so the people that were there
was just 'looking after' the dogs so probably not used to being around
babys anyway??
Does seem like they should of been more aware of the dogs
if this was the case
the owner being away? so the people that were there
was just 'looking after' the dogs so probably not used to being around
babys anyway??
Does seem like they should of been more aware of the dogs
if this was the case
25-09-2006, 07:49 PM
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I hate small minded, ignorant people who tar all dogs with the same brush!! Just because its a Rotty doesnt mean its gonna savage someones kids!! FFS ive got a Boxer Dog, probably one of the most freindly dogs in the world, but people still assume its a monster because he is a big fucker. I used to just tell them to fuck off to be honest!!
25-09-2006, 07:51 PM
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round here the local chavs use there staffs for pit fights, happens a most weekends too,,,,, its a fucking shame but the stafs are now used as prize fighting dogs for money and then the owner poses with there mutt
when i got my tattoo done there was fucking tattoos with staf's/pits, having seen the pit fighting take place then it clicked why people are getting th tattoos done
im a big animal lover and i loved my poor white gsd,,,, even though he killed a few inocent animals he was always fine with my little one and was very laied back around her
when we buy our house were gonna get some form of dog that protects, we are more likley to get another white GSD but i may also get a rotty,,,,, the only issue i got with them is that they seem to smell at times ( no offence to the dogs just going by the ones ive seen )
when i got my tattoo done there was fucking tattoos with staf's/pits, having seen the pit fighting take place then it clicked why people are getting th tattoos done
im a big animal lover and i loved my poor white gsd,,,, even though he killed a few inocent animals he was always fine with my little one and was very laied back around her
when we buy our house were gonna get some form of dog that protects, we are more likley to get another white GSD but i may also get a rotty,,,,, the only issue i got with them is that they seem to smell at times ( no offence to the dogs just going by the ones ive seen )
25-09-2006, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by b19bal
when we buy our house were gonna get some form of dog that protects, we are more likley to get another white GSD but i may also get a rotty,,,,, the only issue i got with them is that they seem to smell at times ( no offence to the dogs just going by the ones ive seen )
so do kids!
25-09-2006, 08:26 PM
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Yeah I thought of BoschMan and what he has said about Rotties when I saw on the paper this morning.
Sad news really.
I like most dogs really jus a shame that Rotties and Staffs(two of my favourite dogs) get some much bad press.
Sad news really.I like most dogs really jus a shame that Rotties and Staffs(two of my favourite dogs) get some much bad press.
25-09-2006, 08:49 PM
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as said on this post why did they leave a 5 month year old with two guard dogs to be honest i would leave my staff with any kids as he has been bought up around kids but not to gaurd dogs
25-09-2006, 08:51 PM
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as said on this post why did they leave a 5 month year old with two guard dogs to be honest i would leave my staff with any kids as he has been bought up around kids but not to gaurd dogs
what a waste of 2 good dogs.this sort of shit really annoys me.
25-09-2006, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NIL 7717
Originally Posted by danneth
true its all to do with how the dogs are brought up, just hope them 2 dogs are destroyed asap though obv not nice dogs like some can be
yep same here m8 the bloke who lives next door said on r1 it was only a matter of time as they kept them up barking and stuff there fooking dogs the sad cunt
25-09-2006, 09:00 PM
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Fucking tragic, and definately not a fair representation of all rotties.
Phil is spot on about a "big dog license" at the end of the day they are potentially a deadly weapon if people wish to train and use them as such, so they should be licensed like any other deadly weapon.
Phil is spot on about a "big dog license" at the end of the day they are potentially a deadly weapon if people wish to train and use them as such, so they should be licensed like any other deadly weapon.
25-09-2006, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Fucking tragic, and definately not a fair representation of all rotties.
Phil is spot on about a "big dog license" at the end of the day they are potentially a deadly weapon if people wish to train and use them as such, so they should be licensed like any other deadly weapon.
Phil is spot on about a "big dog license" at the end of the day they are potentially a deadly weapon if people wish to train and use them as such, so they should be licensed like any other deadly weapon.
25-09-2006, 09:17 PM
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If we're not careful, Rotties, staffs, english bull terriers etc will all get banned just like pit bulls all because of irresponsible owners. They expect us to all walk around with fucking poodles
25-09-2006, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by YoungMatt
If we're not careful, Rotties, staffs, english bull terriers etc will all get banned just like pit bulls all because of irresponsible owners. They expect us to all walk around with fucking poodles
25-09-2006, 09:23 PM
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I know more about Cats than Dogs but I can see that it's all to do with how the dogs are brought up and treated by thier owners.
Feel a bit sorry for the dogs as they must have had a pretty bad life up to now and they've now been punished when it was really their owners fault letting them get to that state of aggression.
Sad to hear about the pit fighting. I hope the RSPCA know about it.
Feel a bit sorry for the dogs as they must have had a pretty bad life up to now and they've now been punished when it was really their owners fault letting them get to that state of aggression.
Sad to hear about the pit fighting. I hope the RSPCA know about it.
25-09-2006, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by YoungMatt
Mate, this has been going on for YEARS with pitbulls. Wankers don't get that it's how they are brought up. Although it's a shame what happened to this child, I want to know where were the parents at the time?
A dog is a wolf and has instincts no matter whether it a sausage dog or a doberman.
Was the kid pulling their ears and tail?
who knows..........
25-09-2006, 09:46 PM
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The grandfather of a baby mauled to death by Rottweilers has been stabbed and his partner killed in a separate attack hours later, a family member says.
John Brightwell, 50, and Debra Larn, 47, were attacked at their home in Beaumont Leys, Leicester, early on Sunday, said his niece, 17-year-old Natalie Brightwell.
Mr Brightwell's five-month-old granddaughter, Cadey-Lee Deacon, was savaged by guard dogs at The Rocket pub in the New Parks area of the city at around 4pm on Saturday. The girl suffered horrific injuries and was taken to hospital, but died a short time later.
Two people were arrested following the stabbings, which were linked to Cadey-Lee's death, Sky News reported.
Police said a 26-year-old man charged with the attack would appear before magistrates accused of murder and assault.
The stabbings follow the attack on baby Cadey-Lee
The dog attack happened in the living quarters of The Rocket pub in Stephenson Drive. The dogs, which were trained to act as guard dogs, were later put down.
It is thought the little girl's mother and her boyfriend were looking after the pub - and the animals - when the attack happened.
Neighbours named the landlords as Wayne and Lesley Glaze, and said they left the pub with Mrs Glaze's son, Lee Burchell, and his girlfriend Amy while they went on holiday.
Reports said the dogs, Bess and Bruno, were owned by Mr and Mrs Glaze.
The attack was reportedly witnessed by horrified passers-by, who alerted the emergency services.
In a statement issued through Leicestershire Constabulary, Ms Deacon Mr Burchell, said: "Words cannot express our devastation at what has happened. We just cannot believe that Cadey-Lee is gone.
"She was such a beautiful little girl. We loved her so much and we just can't accept that something like this could have happened. How do you come to terms with such a tragedy?''
Cadey-Lee's father, Ryan Brightwell, was not available for comment but his 17-year-old cousin, Natalie Brightwell, said: "Two tragedies in a few days - it's left us distraught.''
John Brightwell, 50, and Debra Larn, 47, were attacked at their home in Beaumont Leys, Leicester, early on Sunday, said his niece, 17-year-old Natalie Brightwell.
Mr Brightwell's five-month-old granddaughter, Cadey-Lee Deacon, was savaged by guard dogs at The Rocket pub in the New Parks area of the city at around 4pm on Saturday. The girl suffered horrific injuries and was taken to hospital, but died a short time later.
Two people were arrested following the stabbings, which were linked to Cadey-Lee's death, Sky News reported.
Police said a 26-year-old man charged with the attack would appear before magistrates accused of murder and assault.
The stabbings follow the attack on baby Cadey-Lee
The dog attack happened in the living quarters of The Rocket pub in Stephenson Drive. The dogs, which were trained to act as guard dogs, were later put down.
It is thought the little girl's mother and her boyfriend were looking after the pub - and the animals - when the attack happened.
Neighbours named the landlords as Wayne and Lesley Glaze, and said they left the pub with Mrs Glaze's son, Lee Burchell, and his girlfriend Amy while they went on holiday.
Reports said the dogs, Bess and Bruno, were owned by Mr and Mrs Glaze.
The attack was reportedly witnessed by horrified passers-by, who alerted the emergency services.
In a statement issued through Leicestershire Constabulary, Ms Deacon Mr Burchell, said: "Words cannot express our devastation at what has happened. We just cannot believe that Cadey-Lee is gone.
"She was such a beautiful little girl. We loved her so much and we just can't accept that something like this could have happened. How do you come to terms with such a tragedy?''
Cadey-Lee's father, Ryan Brightwell, was not available for comment but his 17-year-old cousin, Natalie Brightwell, said: "Two tragedies in a few days - it's left us distraught.''
26-09-2006, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NIL 7717
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they have since said the dogs had managed to get into the sleeping quarters,and attacked the girl the. hmmm sounds all very strange to me,how did passers by see this? the whole lot stinks to me! the stabbings as well.
they have since said the dogs had managed to get into the sleeping quarters,and attacked the girl the.
hmmm sounds all very strange to me,how did passers by see this? the whole lot stinks to me! the stabbings as well.
BBC News now say this morning...
Chief Superintendent Steve Pitts, of Leicestershire Constabulary, said the couple had been moving furniture out of the pub when the attack happened.
"It appears that a fire escape door was mistakenly left open and allowed the family's dogs, Bruno and Bess, access to the living quarters," he said.
He said the dogs made their way to the bedroom in which Cadey-Lee was sleeping.
Moving furniture out of a pub they don't own????
I agree that 'big' dogs should have a licence, I have a German Shepherd, soft as shit with people,kids,babies and other dogs. But to hear her when anyone comes down the drive, she sounds the most ferocious thing going. Although I would trust her 100% not to harm anything, I wouldn't dream of leaving her alone with kids or a baby.
26-09-2006, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by NIL 7717
chip-3door
they have since said the dogs had managed to get into the sleeping quarters,and attacked the girl the. hmmm sounds all very strange to me,how did passers by see this? the whole lot stinks to me! the stabbings as well.
they have since said the dogs had managed to get into the sleeping quarters,and attacked the girl the.
hmmm sounds all very strange to me,how did passers by see this? the whole lot stinks to me! the stabbings as well.
26-09-2006, 07:14 AM
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as said i think this is a very strange situation.so many conflicting stories.
the people lookin after it are apparently relatives?in that case they sholud know what the dogs are like.and as said why would you be moving furniture out of a place you dont own? plus i dont know any responsible parent who leaves a 5 month old unattended.5 months is still a tiny baby that needs keeping an eye on 24-7 really.
theres some funny goings on here definately i think. maybe im just very cinical?
the people lookin after it are apparently relatives?in that case they sholud know what the dogs are like.and as said why would you be moving furniture out of a place you dont own?
plus i dont know any responsible parent who leaves a 5 month old unattended.5 months is still a tiny baby that needs keeping an eye on 24-7 really.theres some funny goings on here definately i think. maybe im just very cinical?
26-09-2006, 09:34 AM
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Phil,
I wonder what you would have said if someone had been injured doing a top speed run at Brunters?
I bet it would have been along the lines of "Should top speed runs be banned?" . Just my thought for the day 
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I have a friend who has one of these dogs, and it is the soppiest thing about. However, it doesn't know it's own strength and almost knocks you down when it jumps up trying to lick you. Despite this, and because he has never been around really young children, they won't leave him in a situation where his curiousity could get the better of him, and he isn't allowed to go too near small children (despite wanting to just lick them ) - as you can see they are responsible owners... 
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I wonder what you would have said if someone had been injured doing a top speed run at Brunters?
I bet it would have been along the lines of "Should top speed runs be banned?" . Just my thought for the day .I have a friend who has one of these dogs, and it is the soppiest thing about. However, it doesn't know it's own strength and almost knocks you down when it jumps up trying to lick you
. Despite this, and because he has never been around really young children, they won't leave him in a situation where his curiousity could get the better of him, and he isn't allowed to go too near small children (despite wanting to just lick them ) - as you can see they are responsible owners... .
26-09-2006, 11:38 AM
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The trouble is that 99% of people have no idea what a guard dog is or how to train one. Those 2 dogs were never trained guard dogs but just dogs that had never been trained at all and allowed to run wild and revert to basic instincts.
The law states that guard dogs are not allowed to run loose without a handler present just for that reason. A trained guard dog will attack if on its own, even more so if more than one is present as the pack instinct takes over.
I have owned and trained German Shepherds for 30 years and have never had a problem with them, only because they are "Trained". Any dog that is untrained has the capacity to attack, but it is always the large breeds that get the publicity as they can do more damage.
Ther is no such thing as a dangerous dog only DANGEROUS OWNERS, it is the owners that need to be licensed not the dogs.
The law states that guard dogs are not allowed to run loose without a handler present just for that reason. A trained guard dog will attack if on its own, even more so if more than one is present as the pack instinct takes over.
I have owned and trained German Shepherds for 30 years and have never had a problem with them, only because they are "Trained". Any dog that is untrained has the capacity to attack, but it is always the large breeds that get the publicity as they can do more damage.
Ther is no such thing as a dangerous dog only DANGEROUS OWNERS, it is the owners that need to be licensed not the dogs.
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i was in the park setting up footbal training for my team (lacing up my boots) when a staf comes flying at me, growling nudging me, showing tis teeth etc, all the time i am pushing its head away and shouting the the female chav owner to get over her and sort her fucking dog out, and she gets over here and tells me its my own fault he went for me as i shouldnt have been sitting down on the grass WTF owners should be vetted beofre being allowed to own pets or dogs like that, fooking shit the life out me
WTF owners should be vetted beofre being allowed to own pets or dogs like that, fooking shit the life out me