foreigneRS,

Cant see why so drop the superior attitude

Visually the graph doesnt cross in the correct place which is what I implied.

But I admitted above that I could see why it was wrong after chip
pointed it out to me and my brain understood it eventually.




J871yhk,

I used to like minis until I had to change a radiator on one once

 

pink?

I think you need to get to specsavers too

 

Number 9 mate, number 9

 

Doesnt sound like implying to me......NOT right in bold is a statement to me lol...even after i pointed out the different axis

 

Why would you take a turbo Mini, rip everything off, make it N/A and then leave it in the sea for three weeks to remove the anodising etc?

 

MattRS1600i, Didnt see your post

Where does it say on the graph that the scales are wrong - It doesnt.
From it, I would assume that the lines are correct to the scales shown.

Clearly, all the information shown doesnt add up.

Therefore that graph is wrong, visually which was my point even
if I didnt explain it well enough.

 

Simon, shut up and take your , i really enjoyed recieving mine

We both fucked up and didnt read the scales properly.

We both made an assumption, we were both wrong.


Of course if the graph wasnt a load of stupid (but accurate) bollocks in the first place it would have helped though

 

chip-3door,

The graph looked wrong which is all the majority of people look at.

There is only ONE rpm scale which you could take one way or the other
so there was 50/50 chance of miss interpreting it !

Still looks fishy IMO. Why print out a deliberately misleading document
without stating the reason.
(This is not a dig at Alex BTW)

Looks like all the "RP-dettes" are out for my blood now too

 

Just for your information MOST rolling roads re-scale the graphs like this (to fit nicely on the graph), so it's not uncommon (even the super-duper Dyno Dynamics ones) .

 

I did wonder why Mike was bothering to post on a thread about minis, but it all makes sense now, LOL

Dont look at me as an RP-dette though, im like switzerland mate (useless, LOL)

 

SECS just apologise like a man. you called me blind, and i want an apology for it as i find being called disabled, and the implication that i'm stupid for not being able to read a perfectly simple and reasonable graph, offensive.

this started out as a bit of fun, but now it's not funny anymore if you can't even hold your hands up and accept that you're wrong and give me a simple apology

 

Mike Rainbird,

It is still very missleading and dont understand why they do it when it can
cause confusion, especially as most graphs are used to prove things and
not everyone has the inteligence to make mental adjustments !

Surely if they are rescaled, then the graphs should be mathmatically
adjusted in the software to compensate.

Lazy software programming IMO or just another reason why rolling roads
are crap and should only be used for a bit of fun.

Using that logic, my 420 bhp engine must have made 500 bhp

 

Yes, if (like me) you cant read a graph properly, it probably would have

 

You're just making urself look a bit daft now now bud....lots of graphs are presented like this with two vertical scales, not just car stuff It's not lazy, they've done it because they wanted to, it would be easier to leave it alone!

 

foreigneRS,

Try reading all posts on here (one below just in cased you missed it)....


If you couldnt see that the graph shown clearly crosses over in the wrong
place irrespective of the actual figures.
When does it say on the graph one or more scales are wrong - It doesnt
.
That was my point. If you choose to take it personally then thats not my
problem ....its yours....

 

FFS Simon, you called HIM blind cause YOU hadnt read the scales properly

 

chip-3door,

Surely you can understand this graph can be read in multiple ways
due to the SINGLE rpm scale.

Sure your not in the "new gang"

 

doubt its an S head, looks more like a Metro 12g940 casting to me Micheal

 

What it SHOULD have is the two lines in different colours (maybe the pink for the poofy little bhp curve, lol) and the scales then in the same colours as the line they correspond to, its an extremely poorly present graph considering its a colour printer, but none the less you surely should be able to see the irony in your calling Nick blind when it was you not him that didnt see things properly with regards to the scales?

 

It would be a single rpm scale

The graph shows RPM vs Torque and RPM vs BHP

Hence one RPM Scale and a Scale each for RPM and Torque....jesus you're making yourself look dumb for someone so intelligent!

Stop digging

 

Chip, MattRS1600i,


I guess my mind works in a different way to others as I can see multiple
aspects of this rather that just accept what I am told or shown.

As I said above, I can see both sides of the argument.

I just dont understand why no one else cant see what I am trying to get at.


As for me being dumb, I take offence at that and want an appology LOL

 

Ive got 3 at the moment, have had more at some points though, LOL

Here are somes pictures of a metro engine i rebuilt (and went up to 1380cc and 276 cam etc), complete with 12g940 head casting of the later type:








Long time ago now, as anyone seeing me in that picture who knows me now will vouch for, LOL

 

Ps

The MG Heads have sodium filled exhaust valves and have 35.6mm inlets instead of 37mm on the S head (less prone to cracking)

Im only 90% sure on the actual numbers and im sure Alex can correct me if im wrong as its about 6 years since i built my last mini engine which was for this mini i used ot have as a track toy:

 

Must have been at least ten years ago, as you have hair in that picture .

 

Close, 7 years actually, ive had a hard life since though (and a lot of mcdonalds PMSL)

 

[quote="J871yhk"]off topic i know, but are they only playing at dublin, as thats all ticketmaster have

 

So what's different then. besides all the opinions on your graph.

 

the difference is, this time SECS has proved that he's a thick cunt

 

No, just blind (like i was) and stubborn about admitting it

 

foreigneRS,

If you cant see the ambiguity of the information then you are just as thick
as me except I can articulate without resorting to insults.


Besides, I wasnt the only one to point out the problem....

 

Micheal, your minis sound good, get some pics up sometime

A few mini lovers on here, but not many, lol

 

You called him blind though?

 

SECS, seriously, go back and start again reading the thread and you can definately see (in the cold light of day) that me and you barked TOTALLY up the wrong tree and were well deserving of a or two.

I think you have got so used (unfortunately) on here of having to defend yourself constantly over jibes and banter that are totally misplaced that you cant see in this instance the irony of us telling others they werent understanding the graph, when it was US who didnt read it properly.

No shame in that though, even the LEGENDARY Doug Stirling, was taken in by it

 

chip-3door,

He just called me a c**t but I didnt take offence

But you and me both know his attitude to me has got fook all to do with
my comments on here ....

 

Chip,

The graph is confusing and can be read several ways, my comments
arent wrong...just the other side of the coin..

 

For once simon, i think you are being a pig-headed fool im afraid mate!

You really should just go back and re-read the whole thread with a calm head, we both got it TOTALLY wrong, wether there are better options for presenting the data or not, does not change we just jumped in without reading the axis properly mate!

I think you should read the whole topic start to finnish and then come on and take your like a man


And yes i know Nick has other motivations, but that doesnt stop him being right and us being wrong!