Anonymous

Richie, i dont see any harm in posting them providing you post your emails and his emails in their complete form so that no "edited highlights" are posted that could be considered to be misleading.

reality

Ouch

stonehavencossie

Sounds like a nightmare and i feel for you bud if all true but...

agreeing to pay 8.5k for an engine in the first place

im running around in a 380 bhp engine (which hasnt missed a beat in 10k) for the cost of approx 2.5 k !!!

seand

nothing but bad luck. sorry to hear bout this

Anonymous

8.5K isnt actaully very expensive for a complete engine and turbo package when you dont have a suitable donor engine.

IIRC stu charges about 4K for a basic 400bhp style engine rebuild and thats based on a good donor and without a turbo being supplied.

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

You're all expecting me to back Harvey up, so here goes .

The main point that I would make, is that Doug is 100% correct when he states that the air injectors do not fail safe .

When the car was under Harvey's responsibility, he repaired it FOC (as you stated regarding the cam cap stud snapping etc).

However, for what-ever reason, the air injector wire was unplugged / came loose and this gives the car UNLIMITED boost, and the car was obviously run on the rollers like this and also for an unknown period of time before that (as it was only discovered by Ahmed) - incidentally, why did you take it to Ahmed, if the car was checked over and given a clean bill of health by EA? . Therefore, with no boost control it would have run lean and done the damage that you stated, but still run for a period of time like this.

When the car was brought to Harvey with the "death rattles", he carried out routine checks to see if anyone had been tampering with anything or if there was anything blatantly obviously wrong. A Pectel monitor was connected and it showed that the TP swicth was giving random readings and that the phase sensor had no signal (hence why on the invoice after the repair, they recommended that the loom be changed). They then checked the cam timing and it was discovered that the inlet cam was one tooth out (equivalent to the 18 degrees mentioned), and so this set alarm bells ringing that someone else had been tampering with the engine.

In view of this, can you please explain why any of you think Harvey should be responsible for the rebuild? The unlimited boost on it's own would be able to cause the issues, let alone the faulty TPS which is responsible for the full throttle enrichment.

Regarding the loom "looking" okay, you are joking aren't you? A loom can look 100% perfect and unless you have a Pectel monitor permanently connected, there is no point in commenting, as the sensors OFTEN develop random faults (sometimes even not materialising unless the car is fully loaded).

As to the mileage issue, you state that it has only been driven for 4000miles, yet when Ahmed gave it the check over, it had done 39k. When Harvey had it after the centre two pistons nipped up due to either lack of fuel (TPS) or too much boost (no boost control), it had 47,959 on the clock. Now even Phil could do the maths on that.....

Again, please explain how it can be Harvey's engine building skills being responsible for faulty loom / sensors / boost control?

I honestly feel for you, but you can't honestly attribute the above to shoddy workmanship on Harvey's behalf..... .

Doug,
I also note that you're happy to stick the boot in on Harvey, yet there is no mention of the reason why your car is currently off the road.... .

seand

CLASSIC REPLY!!

Davie

I breaks out the hob nobs.

Richie Russ

Your joking arent you !!

NO ONE HAS TAMPERED WITH THIS ENGINE, if i had been driving it so much on unlimited boost as you say, why would it no blow up then

He has layed the blame at 4 things now, and after finding one that may be plausible he has latched onto it for dear life...

So, can you tell me, when Ahmed mapped it, why would he say it was one of the best ones he has worked on, also please tell me why he didnt notice any det noises when mapping it, also tell me why he said all sensors were perfect and everything is functioning properly, also tell me why i had oil spouting out of everywhere, also tell me why my head gasket went, also tell me why the cap snapped.....i can go on

The car was taken to Ahmed for mapping as recommended by Harvey after i had paid the money for the engine, as, like i have mentioned i wanted to do things right, Harvey advised i get the fuelling checked and then get it mapped again, so thats what i did

With regards to the boost control, the car was NOT driven much at all and i go back to ask you about why Ahmed didnt notice anything and it was NOT run on the rollers with the wire disconnected otherwise im sure that Paul Hills' boost gauge would have indictated so and the thing would have blown up there and then.

After the head gasket had been done and the oil leak, a pectel monitor was put on it and everything was fine and still is now, how can my loom be so poor then , maybe thats a good excuse, why hasn't he sent my old pistons back as promised, covering something up ?

With regards to the cam timing being out, thats absolute bollox Mike, a locknut was changed as the one Harvey put on it nearly fell off...

Ahmed did mention the wire being loose, not a problem with that, but he also added the ENGINE HAD NOT BEEN AFFECTED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, the car was perfect after it left Ahmed and a few months AFTER being mapped it went belly up...

I could understand if i had 1 problem, but i have had 3 !!! thats not a coincidence is it !!

Richie Russ

Thank you whoever did that

cabrio zo

Last for a 'good while' for Ł8.5k! I'd like it to be strong as an ox for a lot longer than a good while (taking into account the higher the bhp the less the reliability, but surely just over 400bhp isn't major engine stress)

I think the majority of people would expect it to be 100% for that kind of money - although if you pay for a service however much or little it should be done to correctly. Yes there are always problems with tuning, but its not as if this was a development bespoke build.
I personallly have only every good things about SCS so this is surprising. You have to trust experts and expect the very best service

Saying all this, I'm not 100% understanding the whole chain of events, SCS didn't actually fit the engine? How would a cam cap break, one of those things? Who would've checked over this air injector thing? I know nothing about it.

Z

Dicko&Vacant

iTrader: (3)

imo i would expect to get a warrenty on an 8.k engine the least he could of done was give the bloke a discount when all 4 pistons had to be changed or even not charged for labour that is just shocking if you ask me.And i would expect the pistons back so i could actually see the supposed damage myself. and then even after second set of pistons were put in the fookin headgasket went no look at all not supprised he didnt take it back to harvey and got someone else to do it. But end of the day there is always 2 sides to a story.

scottbrown

the tea and biscuits are out.

this is gonna be a longer

sorry to hear this richie. 11k for an engine is a fooking lot of money, could have bought a whole escos for that

Richie Russ

There are a few things that Mike has written that aren't quite right, he is hearing EVERYTHING second hand and while i appreciate he is sticking up for someone he works with / bums etc, the events which took place haven't quite happened in the sequence he stated.

angel45

Mate I told you, shame thing happened to me with Spades old engine, Harvey's customer service seems to stop @ mike and his regulars it seems
My car when it left Harvey and it was a timebomb waiting to happen, and after i paid him he had no interest in sorting it out even tho i had just spend 20K with him

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Lambchop

iTrader: (1)

how much?!

was that a whole car?

reality

I think all you folk who think Ł8.5k should get you a bulletproof engine are dreaming.. a 400 or 500bhp cossie is effectively a RACE ENGINE.. it will not be bulletproof.. but if built professionally (like SCS) it should last maybe 2 or 3 race seasons most.. how that equates to general road usage, is almost impossible to calculate!

neilm

My two penneth would be, if someone is spending Ł8500 on an engine build I would expect the builder to replace ALL the engine sensors for peice of mind.

If he did then they are all under his warranty.

If he didnt then its slightly un-professional, especially when the customer is spending sooo much money.

Anonymous

Im sure ALL the sensors were new if he fitted them to the engine, especially as the old engine was scrapped? its just the loom that wasnt from how this reads?

Richie Russ

I have to totally agree with you there matey and i also agree on the fact that all sensors should be replaced when building such an engine

Anonymous

Is replacing the sensors not part of the INSTALATION of the engine though?

Thats the point i would expect them to be replaced, or did harvey give it back to you build up fully with the manifolds on etc already?

(ive never bought an engien from harvey so i dont know how it arrives)

reality

Cool

Richie Russ

All was built up and ready to drop in the car, i don't even think that the sensor which 'apparently was faulty' was replaced after Harvey put new pistons in

tonyk

You do realise you are covered under law for any product or service you buy? I would seek specialist advice on this matter.

reality

So ultimately what this is boiling down to is not mechanical work, but a possible electrical fault.. It is very possible for a sensor to fail 5 miles down the road, let alone 4000 miles down the road ya know..

angel45

No 10K went to spadge for the Engine but considering that the car left there with out the fu*king Fans working was a complete JOKE, dodgy electrics, Fuel filter srapped to my anti roll bar (via 1 cable tie)and lots more i wounldn't even piss on the cunt if he was on fire imo

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

I was just providing an explanation as to why Harvey wouldn't stand by the engine, he has no idea of how hard the car was driven with it running this amount of boost. The pistons have been idependently checked by 2 other engineering companies and the reason the rings nipped up is due to it running lean. This can only be down to two things - too much boost or not enough fuel. You know and he knows that at some point the car was run with unlimited boost, whether this caused the failure NO-ONE can say, as there were so many things that unfortunately went wrong.

Once the boost control had been reconnected, why WOULD he hear any detting? Regarding the headgasket having gone, I have never in all my experience of Harvey engines heard of a WRC gasket failing and this is news to him as well.

You took it to Paul Hills first and THEN Ahmed, but haven't explained why you did this, if everything checked out okay by Paul?

As I stated, Ahmed wouldn't notice any det with the boost control connected. With regard to the boost on the rollers, very few can replicate the load required to get the same boost that is seen on the road, so it may have been down to this - I can only comjecture about this.

Because you have threatened to take him to court, his solicitor has recommended that he retain these for evidence.

Actually you have just shot yourself in the foot here by admitting that this was changed, as EVERY SINGLE TUNER on here will tell you that if that nut is removed, the tension on the valve springs will cause the cam to jump back a tooth and you wouldn't have even noticed unless you KNEW this happens .

It may not have been sufficient to cause IMMEDIATE catastrophic failure, but without having stripped the engine down, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to make that statement....

Obviously I feel bad that you have had three possible things that could have caused the problem, and combined you didn't really stand a chance, but you can't blame Harvey for that.

Also regarding the supposed head-gasket failure on you way home, I am confused about that, as you said that Harvey didn;t have time to change your bearings OR your brake discs, and he also refused to road test it hard until the loom issue was addressed, how the hell did YOU drive it hard enough to get a WRC gasket to fail without doing ANY other damage to a freshly built engine?

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

Twas me

angel45

also i bet you dollars to donuts your freshly built engine ain't so freshly when you have it stripped

angel45

Fuel filter srapped to my anti roll bar (via 1 cable tie)and lots more i wounldn't even piss on the cunt if he was on fire imo [/quote]


Dean told me about this when he had your car in


Thats top service for ya [/quote]
i rest my case fella, how's yours coming along?

Kev.H

that is shocking

R4N SS

iTrader: (6)

my engine has been going strong without any major problems.

but then I got the engine off Ryan when he broke his saff.

Have spoken to Harvey a number of times without hassle and also used Ahmed to map the car last year and it fookin flew after that.

Since, I have done several track days and the engine has not missed a beat,

Cossie Helen

iTrader: (1)

Think i will stick with Mark