Cawood

whats best to go for

just got my first cossie n dont know shit bout tuning them!

seen is a K&N induction kit ok? do i just buy one thats designed for the saph cossie or need to find a group A one

ps whats the difference? are group A ones bigger?

Mike Rainbird

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Just fit a panel filter - job done .

SapphyMike

Group A are large filters yes.

you can get universal ones too, from RamAir / ITG etc..

I'd recommend ITG myself..

Cawood

already got a panel filter in it

but i see a lot of cossies in mags n at shows with cone filters on

im wanting to go to stage2/3 with my cossie

this is the K&N i was looking at

http://knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=57-0061-1

would i be best going grp A

or just sticking with my panel filter?

soz for my basic dumb questions, just used to tuning RSTs not cossies

SapphyMike

i had a K&N 57i on my old cossie.. was too small for me lol.

get a group a one, or something like pipercross / itg / ramair size ones.. alot bigger

Cawood

cool thanks mike!

SapphyMike

happy to be of service squire.. get a pro alloy cooler too

rstoughy

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Panel filter M8

Cones are to noisy and suck in hot air

Mike Rainbird

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Then leave it alone:

515bhp



477bhp

Ridgey

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Panel filter......
as already mentioned quieter, cheaper, cooler air intake. And good for at least 400 bhp.

SapphyMike

while stationary they suck in hot air yes...

and whats wrong with a bit of noise? if you want a quiet car, buy a Toyota Prius and run it on leccy LOL

Mike Rainbird

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Have you EVER measured the under-bonnet heat build up whilst on track?

I think you would be surprised and would INSTANTLY retract your comment above .

Cawood

nice one, well that cheaper for me 2 then

do you make any mods to the air box? (like on RST's cutting the front out)

SapphyMike

Maybe, but Michael, where does he mention track?

he mentions going to shows

gingeRS

where does the sirbox take its cold air feed from?

my car is running a cone but still has the airbox feed in front of the filter

surely the intake temps dont matter that much when the air is just fed into a compressor at several hundred degrees anyways?

Mike Rainbird

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Yes, forgot to mention that both those pictured have the FRONT ONLY cut out for improved airflow .

SapphyMike

with the front (bottom i presume) cut out mike, would you still get the "wastegate chatter" ( ) with no dv?

Mike Rainbird

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The air is fed into the compressor at what-ever temp it is sucked in from the turbo, so if ambient, then it sucks in ambient, if under-bonnet, then it sucks in what-ever temp that air is (40-70°C on track ). It is then compressed, which heats it up further, before being cooled by the intercooler. Obviously the cooler the air is going into the turbo, the cooler it will be when compressed and an easier job the intercooler will have in taking as much heat out of it as possible..... Normally, the air exits the turbo at anything from 120-170°C.

PS. I will have an EXACT answer to your boost gauge question shortly - I'm not ignoring you .

Cawood

that il do me!

cheers mike n mike

Anonymous

Almost Mike but just as I was about to read the thermometer, I lost my grip & was thrown off onto the track, you must have longer nails.

Mike Rainbird

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You mean for all of the 20s you were on the throttle .

SapphyMike

??

RichardPON

Just fit a cone filter and be done with it for three good reasons.

1. It's so much more simple and loses all that airbox nonsense.

2. It sounds far better, and wont make any noticeable difference on a road car whatsoever.

3. It'll piss Mike off

Franco

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Any pictures Mike?

SapphyMike

only reason required imo

Disabled Account

For even better airflow I would reccomend a large filter fitted within the bumper. I dont think this is too easy on a Saph/Sierra, but on an Es Cos there is already a hole in the inner wing to make the job easy (hole needs enlarging slightly):

First seen 3 years ago on a Red Es Cos:





Recently seen on another Es Cos at Ford Fair:

RichardPON

Ooooh, Doug you trendsetter!

Does it matter that Martin had that on his car years ago though?

gingeRS

good idea

similar to what the jap guys have been doing for years

SapphyMike

i guess if you hit a puddle you dont ingest any water due to the laws of gravity? LOL

Disabled Account

Well I never knew about or saw that arrangement before doing it on my car.......

If fact, I was nerveous about the likelyhood of the filter sucking rainwater and locking-up the engine, but when I showed my filter-in-bumper arrangement to Harvey (Gibb), he told me not to worry, because most of the RS500 touring cars had them fitted back in the late 80's.....some of those races were VERY wet

But I still DO worry and only use light throtle/low boost in heavy rain - just in case.......

Franco

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I had the same set up on a T3 FRST...............Jesus did it get dirty!

Oh by the way Doug that was in 2001

Mike Rainbird

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I treated it with the contempt it so obviously deserved .


I couldn't care less if you want to lose 10-20bhp for no reason, that's down to the owner .


If you had asked when I had to take it off to fix the alternator wiring, I would have taken one. But it's a pain having to remove everything (arch liner etc) just for a photo, that you will have to wait a while .

RichardPON

10-20 bhp?

Proof please

Mike Rainbird

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One of the MANY reasons I personally wouldn't put it there.

Mike Rainbird

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That's how much they can loose on the rollers, where temps climb similarly to the temps seen on track, so can be directly extrapolated .

Disabled Account

Mike,

Can you remind me please............

Who was it the modified his Es Cos air box 4 years ago, so that a T4 inlet hose could go straight in to the enlarged opening, without needing a machined reducer to restrict flow?

Mike Rainbird

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How can my machined reducer restrict flow, when my reducer has the same ID as a T4 .

Your effort was just to push the hose in - very "Blue Peter" .

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A certain tuner/engine builder in Werrington said it was a neat solution and perfect for the job

Mike Rainbird

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He was probably just humouring you as you hadn't paid yet paid your bill .

Disabled Account

Damn

Cant find those close-up pics of your engine bay with the "Aeroquip" fittings that you have do up/loosen with a screwdriver........Very "JML"