got done riding in bus lane on a moped - UPDATE
09-08-2006, 09:57 AM
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got done riding in bus lane on a moped - UPDATE
Some of you might remember I got 2 letters through my door back in April charging me with a fixed penalty notice for contravening a bus lane on 2 seperate occasions on my 50cc moped.
well, despite the mockery (about riding a moped
), and the negative replies I got about getting away with it I decided to persue my case. (I was arguing that my moped is taxed as a bicycle and the bus lane signs indicate that a bicycle is permitted to use the bus lane).
My initial appeals to the council were rejected and the final stage is where both my self and the council ("the authority") have to represent our cases and evidence to an independant tribunal.
I got a letter today saying that the authority are no longer going to contest my appeal and all penaltys have been dropped!
Thats just got me out of £200 worth of fines!
well, despite the mockery (about riding a moped
), and the negative replies I got about getting away with it I decided to persue my case. (I was arguing that my moped is taxed as a bicycle and the bus lane signs indicate that a bicycle is permitted to use the bus lane).My initial appeals to the council were rejected and the final stage is where both my self and the council ("the authority") have to represent our cases and evidence to an independant tribunal.
I got a letter today saying that the authority are no longer going to contest my appeal and all penaltys have been dropped!
Thats just got me out of £200 worth of fines!
09-08-2006, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by John Laverick
Well Done
What do you mean by the Moped is taxed as a Bicycle?
Good news on the verdict though.
09-08-2006, 10:06 AM
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The taxation class for my moped is Bicycle. It says it on the log book and the tax disc - I think most bikes including motorbikes are infact taxed as a bicycle - strange but true!
09-08-2006, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by EssexBoyRacer
The taxation class for my moped is Bicycle. It says it on the log book and the tax disc - I think most bikes including motorbikes are infact taxed as a bicycle - strange but true!
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09-08-2006, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by saff_cossie
Originally Posted by EssexBoyRacer
The taxation class for my moped is Bicycle. It says it on the log book and the tax disc - I think most bikes including motorbikes are infact taxed as a bicycle - strange but true!
I think what he's saying is that he pays tax, but the vehicle's classification is bicycle. Therefore he is contesting the fines on the basis that his vehicle is classed as a bicycle by the relevant authorities, and because bicycles are allowed in bus lanes, he isn't breaking any laws.
09-08-2006, 10:19 AM
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Ok bascially I ride moped. Which in terms of road tax is classed as a bicycle.
The letter I got from the council stated that the bus lane is for use by buses, taxes and bicycles.
So I had them on a technicality.
When I pointed that out to them they then said they mean push bikes not motorised ones.
So I checked the sign in the highway code and it just refers to bikes as "pedal cycles" - no mention of push bikes or not including certain types of "bicycle". So I argued that as Im riding a moped, technically I could have been pedaling!
Overall my argument was that the sign does not technically indicate that my bike is excluded from use of the bus lane.
The letter I got from the council stated that the bus lane is for use by buses, taxes and bicycles.
So I had them on a technicality.
When I pointed that out to them they then said they mean push bikes not motorised ones.
So I checked the sign in the highway code and it just refers to bikes as "pedal cycles" - no mention of push bikes or not including certain types of "bicycle". So I argued that as Im riding a moped, technically I could have been pedaling!
Overall my argument was that the sign does not technically indicate that my bike is excluded from use of the bus lane.
09-08-2006, 10:21 AM
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Essexboyracer and Dogsmoke - Thanks, makes sense. So much has changed since I left that going greener it wouldnt have surprised me if they outlawed tax on mopeds!
09-08-2006, 10:31 AM
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lol no its a scooter, but here's what the DVLA say:
Moped
A moped is a motorcycle which:
cannot go faster than 50km/h
must not have an engine over 50cc
can be moved by pedals, if the moped was used before 1 August 1977.
So even though mine doesnt have pedals, its in a class of vehicle which can be propelled by pedals!
Moped
A moped is a motorcycle which:
cannot go faster than 50km/h
must not have an engine over 50cc
can be moved by pedals, if the moped was used before 1 August 1977.
So even though mine doesnt have pedals, its in a class of vehicle which can be propelled by pedals!
09-08-2006, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by EssexBoyRacer
lol no its a scooter, but here's what the DVLA say:
Moped
A moped is a motorcycle which:
cannot go faster than 50km/h
must not have an engine over 50cc
can be moved by pedals, if the moped was used before 1 August 1977.
So even though mine doesnt have pedals, its in a class of vehicle which can be propelled by pedals!
Moped
A moped is a motorcycle which:
cannot go faster than 50km/h
must not have an engine over 50cc
can be moved by pedals, if the moped was used before 1 August 1977.
So even though mine doesnt have pedals, its in a class of vehicle which can be propelled by pedals!
YOU FUCKING LEGEND
So you got them to drop the case on the basis that you may have been pedalling your moped which doesnt in fact actually have any pedals?
Thats fucking ace
09-08-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by EssexBoyRacer
lol no its a scooter, but here's what the DVLA say:
Moped
A moped is a motorcycle which:
cannot go faster than 50km/h
must not have an engine over 50cc
can be moved by pedals, if the moped was used before 1 August 1977.
So even though mine doesnt have pedals, its in a class of vehicle which can be propelled by pedals!
Moped
A moped is a motorcycle which:
cannot go faster than 50km/h
must not have an engine over 50cc
can be moved by pedals, if the moped was used before 1 August 1977.
So even though mine doesnt have pedals, its in a class of vehicle which can be propelled by pedals!
YOU FUCKING LEGEND
So you got them to drop the case on the basis that you may have been pedalling your moped which doesnt in fact actually have any pedals?
Thats fucking ace
Man that's even more awesome than it first appeared now!
09-08-2006, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
So you got them to drop the case on the basis that you may have been pedalling your moped which doesnt in fact actually have any pedals?
That was one of my arguments. Its all down to the written law. 
09-08-2006, 11:57 AM
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PMSL well done on that 
Trouble is now they will spend £10,000 to change the law and re-write the highway code so they can fine naughty little boys like you
Trouble is now they will spend £10,000 to change the law and re-write the highway code so they can fine naughty little boys like you
09-08-2006, 12:52 PM
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they are probably changing the laws before sending him more photos
but thats an ace getout clause
"you are charged with riding a motorcycle in a bus lane, how do you plead?"
"not guilty"
"why not?"
"because, technically i can put pedals on my bike and use it as a bycyle bceause thats what the higway code says i can do and that makes me a bike and it says i can ride my bike in the bus lane"
"but you don't have any pedals?"
"no"
"but you are riding a bike?"
"yes"
"with no pedals?"
"yes"
"but you don't need to put pedals on your bike after 1977?"
"thats what it says"
but thats an ace getout clause
"you are charged with riding a motorcycle in a bus lane, how do you plead?"
"not guilty"
"why not?"
"because, technically i can put pedals on my bike and use it as a bycyle bceause thats what the higway code says i can do and that makes me a bike and it says i can ride my bike in the bus lane"
"but you don't have any pedals?"
"no"
"but you are riding a bike?"
"yes"
"with no pedals?"
"yes"
"but you don't need to put pedals on your bike after 1977?"
"thats what it says"
09-08-2006, 01:19 PM
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Re-reading it i think you were lucky. It says mopeds with pedals registered BEFORE 1st aug 1977. As your moped was most likely reg after 1977 it wouldnt have been included as a bicycle but as a motorbike.
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yes you are right, but my point was my bike is in this catagory of motorbike.
Basically they couldnt clearly define what the picture of a bicycle meant.
Basically they couldnt clearly define what the picture of a bicycle meant.
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Originally Posted by EssexBoyRacer
yes you are right, but my point was my bike is in this catagory of motorbike.
Basically they couldnt clearly define what the picture of a bicycle meant.
Basically they couldnt clearly define what the picture of a bicycle meant.
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