Nick_RSIFEZ

My dog has yesterday fathered some puppies, he is a staff, she is a staff x bulldog, both gorgeous dogs! problem is this, only 2 puppies were born, one male one female, both brilliant white, female has massive patch over eye an one on back, and the male has 2 patches on back.

Problem is, the bloke who's bitch it is, wants the female pup, the male puppy is going to be big & strong (born much larger than the female) but i've heard that you can't have 2 male staffies in one house because they'll fight!

Anyone any experience with this? any advice?

Nick_RSIFEZ

Anyone ?

Big G

Bollocks.
If you bring the pup up with its father and not separated the father will adapt easier to having the pup around and they will become 'mates'
If you separated the dogs to bring the pup back in say 12 month time, your dog may feel its territory is being invaded by an outsider and could kick off.

Just a question, how friendly is your dog with other dogs?

Redkop

I'd be very dubious about having 2 males, especially as the one you already have is un-neutered. You might encounter a dominance problem.

Cola

Big G is bang on. If you put the puppy together with the adult dog from the off, he will consider him his ‘pack leader’. If you don’t and wait until later then there could be territory issues. Of course that doesn’t mean that the pup’ll take over as top dog at some point (as he prob will) but it’ll be fine from then.

Again as g says you have to take the persona of your current dog into account. If he can be a bit aggressive they shouldn’t be left on their own for a while.

Have to get in quick though as their socialisation period only runs til 20th week max, so best to get the dogs together, so long as everyone is vaccinated.

I knew those canine psych courses would come in handy for summat lol

Nick_RSIFEZ

my dogs very placid but he used to ruck with my mates puppy boxer when i lived with him!! not a nice thing to see!

out and about though he's fine with other dogs unless they start on him then he will defend himself. but never starts himself.

Cola

Most dogs when rucking though won't actually cause each other damage. It's usually more of an act. Best to leave them to it in the majority so they can sort things out naturally without us interferring (like thinking our old beloved dog should be in charge over the young uns - rarely the case)

I think they'll be fine if you get them together early.

Now post some pics!

Nick_RSIFEZ

can post pics of my dog but puppies are on my phone so have to load them later!

here's an old pic of my dog!

D19 STE

Its not advised to have two males or two female together, but in saying that I know a few people that do this and their dogs/bitches get on fine

Big G

When we had our bitch, my sister used to bring hers round, they were mates but used to also have a mini ruck either in play or just to show who was boss (ours as my sisters is scared of her own bark) but there was never any harm done.

Nick_RSIFEZ

another of my mates has got 2 bitches, ones the mother of the other one and they get on fine little mini scraps over toys everynow and then, but i'd heard bad things about males!!

Cola

It doesn't matter if they're the same sex. It all depends on how they're raised in the early days and whether it's a matter of territory.

CossieGirl

Don't know the character of your dog, but we've got two male Collies and they get along just fine

The sable one is 4 and the tricolour is 1,5 and never had any problems

Nick_RSIFEZ

i suppose i could get the male pup and then if they do start fighting i could get one of them neutured!

CossieGirl

I've been told they will normally only fight once to settle the hierarchy (spelling?)
But overhere the old man is still the big boss

Nick_RSIFEZ

Are yours neutuered/fixed ???

CossieGirl

Nope

Big G

You cant lop his bollocks off,
You would only be half the man you are if some fucker took your breeding tackle off ya

Nick_RSIFEZ

i'm going to go for it i think, IF they get rowdy i'll get them neutured if that doesn't solve it i'm going to have a hard life! but would never/could never get rid!

will update later with pics of pups when i get home !!! thanks everybody for your replies, feel a bit more positive about the situation now!!!

Linsay

My family have 2 males who live together, a black lab and a chihuahua cross.. guess which one is boss

My brother and sister have a female Beagle and a female Boxer respectively, who have been brought up together but don't live together and they get on great

2 dogs are usually good company for one another

Tarren

This is some pics of my KC reg Stafford.... GR CH Mason...

I have 2 Staffords a Male (Mason) and bitch (Red Jess) they have been brought up together from jess was 7 weeks old mason who is 4 and jess who is 2 and they Where ok upto about 3 months ago now they have to be apart at all times my bitch would kill him

i agree i would never have 2 male staffords together end of and even more so if they are from working dogs

but everyone to there own you might be ok

all the best

Sunil_FiestaRS1800

iTrader: (1)

Your be fine with two together. I havent actually got any staffs ive got a male jack russel and male sheep dog/grey hound thing lol . they are fine together.

All my mates have staffs though . Between three mates they have five staffs . one has a male and female another just a male and the other has two males. THey are all perfect with each other so i wouldnt worry

Nick_RSIFEZ

Blimey!! he looks strong as!!

both dogs are really placid, the bitch and my dog neither are from working backgrounds both just house pets!

Lamb Souvla

My missus has 2 staffs, bot sisters, neither was neuted and got on fine, both been done now after one had pupps, they are still both still fine and look lost when the other is not there whether at vets or whatever.

Tarren

Sorry when i mean working lines i just mean Staffords that have been kept fit and heathy not these show kc staffords short legs short muzzles have a job to walk or breath

your dog looks spot on lovely im sure the pups will do you very proud

all the best

Nick_RSIFEZ

Thanks mate!

Redkop

One way of ensuring that the dog you have now remains as Alpha dog, is to do everything for him first..... feed him first, put his lead on first, make a fuss of him first when you get home etc etc. That way the pup will realise his status is lower in the pack hierarchy, but always make sure that you are No. 1 Alpha male.

Hopefully by establishing a pack heirarchy, it should work out successfully.

Cola

True Lynne, but I reckon it's better that you're the alpha, not them.

I have tried explaining this to my folks.. and they're three spaniels, but they're having none of it.

BlueSmoke

At my dad's there used to be a male Collie cross, god bless him, a male terrier, female terrier and also at various times a rottie bitch and a half sausage dog thing called Bertrum

My dad's wife's criminal son (right stupid cunt ) actually stole the rottie from somewhere. I'd never normally condone such a thing but this poor dog had had the shit beaten out of it. It's hard to see such a normally strong and confident animal reduced to something that literally shits itself when you raise your hand to your head because as soon as it sees a hand go up it thinks its going to be on the recieving end of a beating.

Tarren

I think you are totally right as a hole........................But not with staffords
If you are to study the breed they are the utimate canine athelete and are very set in there ways they where bred for one purpose and getting on with other dogs is a big NO NO
I have been in the stafford seen all my life and i know people that have tried all of what you have said im not saying by any means that it wont work but i think better to be safe than sorry and tread very carefully

all the best

Redkop

Cola I have said that......

Redkop

I have already said on my very first reply that I would be very dubious about having 2 male staffs, but Nick_RSIFEZ seems set on having the dog pup, so that was just really some advice for him.

Ad4m RST

It depends dog to dog from my experience. The 2 males will get on fine for a couple years until the younger ones want to fill his boots a bit and go for dominance then its downhill from there. As said there might just be one fight where the older one will put him in his place and it'l go back to normal but some fight constantly.

No way of knowing just yet

Nick_RSIFEZ

Pictures as promised earlier... please excuse the phone quality pics..

mummy


and pups






please don't think my mind is made up yet! i haven't a clue still what to do. was just saying i feel a bit more positive about it now... still got 8-12 weeks to think about it...

CossieGirl

Sooo cute

SteveB

iTrader: (3)

I had 2 males Staffs which both had the same dad. They were 6 months apart, after about 6 months together my oldest wasn't happy about his younger brother being about and he was much much bigger than him and it was getting to the point that we thought that they would end up getting messy.... we now only have the eldest and a friend has the other and both are 100% happy apart.

The wife now wants a sausage dog buy I recon our Staffy will just think it'll be dinner.....lol

YoungMatt

Good stuff they look like healthy dogs.
If you plan on getting two males I'd surpervise them at all times when together (not so much when he's a pup) and keep them split up at night and when your going out.
I've heard too many bad story's of 2 males or 2 females being left together and the owner coming home to a dead or severley injured dog. On the other hand alot of people keep two dogs of the same sex together and have no problems but I personally wouldn't take the risk.

Mrs T

i thought that if you stud your dog you get the choice off the litter?

lovely dogs

YoungMatt

I think there's a choice, Stud fee or puppy? He obviously wants the bitch to breed from her I'd say.

Cola

Lynne - sorry, I clearly can't read

What a GORGEOUS bitch