Who has the YB with most torque?
16-08-2004, 08:13 PM
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Would agree that it would have to be the Blue Norwegien (sp) Escort Cossie as he doesn't use N20 and the 620oddlb/ft it makes is constant
but would be good to see on paper to see how it actually makes it
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imo the european cossie guys seem very good at quoting bhp/torque figures 
what have they actually achieved performance figures wise?
0-60
0-100
1/4 mile
top speed
and on what tyres
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what have they actually achieved performance figures wise?
0-60
0-100
1/4 mile
top speed
and on what tyres
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
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Originally Posted by ADUSR32
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Originally Posted by Itsmeagain
torque at low revs dont make a car fast if its dropped off my high rpm like most cars with lots of low down torque do
Hi
this aint most cars mate.
On pump fuel over 470ft/lb 4300 to 6900rpm still 420 at 7500 ,on race fuel over 500 from 4300 to over 7000. And then i add the Nitrous
.I think you need to look at the times my old conversion achieved, still 3rd fastest overall Cossie with only circa 480 brake also 0-100 8.1, its the Torque that does it mate , no point having big Power if you cant get up to max speed in the confines of Brunters. Most people say "i was still acclerating at the brake board" no prizes for that. Mine was harry flaters about 200 metres before the brake point. Only two 600+ cars have gone faster (yet)
.Watch this space to see what another 200+ bhp can do.
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Originally Posted by RANJ
Would agree that it would have to be the Blue Norwegien (sp) Escort Cossie as he doesn't use N20 and the 620oddlb/ft it makes is constant
but would be good to see on paper to see how it actually makes it
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Originally Posted by Escort_Cos
imo the european cossie guys seem very good at quoting bhp/torque figures
what have they actually achieved performance figures wise?
0-60
0-100
1/4 mile
top speed
and on what tyres
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
what have they actually achieved performance figures wise?
0-60
0-100
1/4 mile
top speed
and on what tyres
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
"We have Mike It's just under the conditions, up hill, wet tyres in the dry, and me in the car as well etc isn't really a level playing field to show what the car can ultimately do, even in those conditions though it managed BALLISTIC times!
The 60 time was quicker than Mr Hadlands best recorded time to date though as an indication, and without doubt it WILL be quicker without me in, the correct tyres for conditions, flat surface etc."
You defo IMO cant doubt the Blue WRC car Julian G.O.D.frey defo knows his stuff how many times have cars/engines with his input come 1/2 in the uk rallycross scene
plus it has all the right bits trick diffs strong old box etc etc
16-08-2004, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Escort_Cos
imo the european cossie guys seem very good at quoting bhp/torque figures
what have they actually achieved performance figures wise?
0-60
0-100
1/4 mile
top speed
and on what tyres
?
what have they actually achieved performance figures wise?
0-60
0-100
1/4 mile
top speed
and on what tyres
?
)Well, for once. Isn't UK part of europe?
But to be honest. I would also like to se some brakepapers etc so they can back up pretty high claims regarding bhp/torque..
As i have seen most of the "big" norwegian Cossies i know they are pretty da*n quick and there is a big difference between a car quoted 4-500 bhp and one that quotes 7-800 bhp..
I read in PF that they didn't want to quote the bhp figure because of norwegian law. The taxes etc on tuned cars here are just truly amazing and that is why no one "bothers" to get their car approved with, say 700 bhp..
This is a bad example but ok..
If i were to import a car from germany with a 2 ltr, carvalue Ł100 (just for example) weight 1000kg and 2004 model with 100 bhp i'd have to pay total of approx Ł10000 total..
If i were to import the same car but this is slightly tuned and has 700 bhp..
The sum total would be approx Ł100.000!!
And i guess it would be the same to pay if you were to get it approved from 100 bhp to 700..
If my math sucks and i'm totally waaay out there.. well.. i really don't care cry:
But now you know the prices we have to pay for our legal bhp...
And yes, i know.. sliightly off topic..
Now back to topic..
Show us the brakepapers...
16-08-2004, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan
Originally Posted by RANJ
Would agree that it would have to be the Blue Norwegien (sp) Escort Cossie as he doesn't use N20 and the 620oddlb/ft it makes is constant
but would be good to see on paper to see how it actually makes it
and the o so secret nr is 770 hp.....
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Originally Posted by GT2
Originally Posted by Dan
Originally Posted by RANJ
Would agree that it would have to be the Blue Norwegien (sp) Escort Cossie as he doesn't use N20 and the 620oddlb/ft it makes is constant
but would be good to see on paper to see how it actually makes it
and the o so secret nr is 770 hp.....
16-08-2004, 09:43 PM
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LOL@Torque wins races quote on here again 
BHP is far more important in races, look at F1, or ANY race series where the engines have no restrictions to cap power, they go for BHP not Torque, only major thing with torque is they try to have it at a revs where they can use it, ie high rpm.
A F1 engine for example has far less lb/ft than a far more mildly tuned engine of same capacity, but whats miles faster? Yep, the one with more bhp.
Even in WRC where restrictors capping the power and the need for big torque to rocket out the corners is more important than circuit racing makes torque more important, they still go for the most BHP they can get from that restrictor, and only give it 5-10bhp leeway if they think they can get a major torque increase from it.
If they thought that they could get another 100b/ft from losing 100bhp, would they do it? No, as BHP is more important.
Im sure theyd rather have a 600bhp but lowish torque GrpB engine fitted than a 300bhp but 500lb/ft WRC engine fitted, as the revs and power would leave the rest for dead...
Remember seing tests on 2x almost identical Mk4 Golf racecars, one a 210bhp 1.8 petrol turbo with about 230lb/ft, and one a 170bhp 1.9 Turbo Diesel with almost 400lb/ft, using the GPS timing gear to show where the cars gained and lossed against each other on the track (identical racing drivers), the car with FAR less torque but decent rev range and more power pissed on the far more torquey but slightly less powerful and revvy car almost everywhere and lapped a good few seconds faster...
Torque in the powerband, at high rpm, where the bhp also is, helps win races, even if its fairly low, a fookin shatload of midrange wont help you in the race as youl be far above those revs at every gearchange, but plenty up top where the bhp also is can be handy.
Thats where these norwegan cars usualy have it, mental amounts high up in the revs, which is where you are when trying to go fast, 5500+
But anyhow...
BHP is far more important in races, look at F1, or ANY race series where the engines have no restrictions to cap power, they go for BHP not Torque, only major thing with torque is they try to have it at a revs where they can use it, ie high rpm.
A F1 engine for example has far less lb/ft than a far more mildly tuned engine of same capacity, but whats miles faster? Yep, the one with more bhp.
Even in WRC where restrictors capping the power and the need for big torque to rocket out the corners is more important than circuit racing makes torque more important, they still go for the most BHP they can get from that restrictor, and only give it 5-10bhp leeway if they think they can get a major torque increase from it.
If they thought that they could get another 100b/ft from losing 100bhp, would they do it? No, as BHP is more important.
Im sure theyd rather have a 600bhp but lowish torque GrpB engine fitted than a 300bhp but 500lb/ft WRC engine fitted, as the revs and power would leave the rest for dead...
Remember seing tests on 2x almost identical Mk4 Golf racecars, one a 210bhp 1.8 petrol turbo with about 230lb/ft, and one a 170bhp 1.9 Turbo Diesel with almost 400lb/ft, using the GPS timing gear to show where the cars gained and lossed against each other on the track (identical racing drivers), the car with FAR less torque but decent rev range and more power pissed on the far more torquey but slightly less powerful and revvy car almost everywhere and lapped a good few seconds faster...
Torque in the powerband, at high rpm, where the bhp also is, helps win races, even if its fairly low, a fookin shatload of midrange wont help you in the race as youl be far above those revs at every gearchange, but plenty up top where the bhp also is can be handy.
Thats where these norwegan cars usualy have it, mental amounts high up in the revs, which is where you are when trying to go fast, 5500+
But anyhow...
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Originally Posted by GT2
The horsepower is no secret as its posted on the tuners homepage......
and the o so secret nr is 770 hp.....
Where? i looked and found nothing..
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heres one for you lot........
standard CC YB,
8.8CR
BD15( I )/one off ( E ) cams,
.94 T4
greens
mountune chip (rally car spec?!)
L+B bottom end/shot peened rods etc steel flywheel
ONLY 4 psi held (PMSL!!)
600 mile during runing in,
dusted an Evo5 between 60 and 120(let off due to revving over 5krpm)
what power/torque figures?
take a wild guess! even i was suprised!!!!!!1
standard CC YB,
8.8CR
BD15( I )/one off ( E ) cams,
.94 T4
greens
mountune chip (rally car spec?!)
L+B bottom end/shot peened rods etc steel flywheel
ONLY 4 psi held (PMSL!!)
600 mile during runing in,
dusted an Evo5 between 60 and 120(let off due to revving over 5krpm)
what power/torque figures?
take a wild guess! even i was suprised!!!!!!1
16-08-2004, 10:17 PM
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Torque is MORE important than power in the real world,
i had a genuine 450bhp+ proven car,
car ran a 18sec 1/4 @99mph due to spining the wheels in every gear entill halfway through 4th gear, i have changed my engine setup dramatically, now on (still) 8.8:1CR, different cams, different headwork, different bottom end setup, few other "mechanical" engine changes, and even during runnning in, the driveability is a MASSIVE difference, outright power is lower on only 4 of my injectors runnng and a massive boost loss (30psi drop for now!!) but the car is a weapon on the current setup, problem i think with high tuned cars are(with my VERY high power turbo technics RS16i, past RST`s, cossies ans last tune of F666NHJ) is that i have set them up for when they come on boost, and when they do they are so ferouchous they just have all the power within 3000revs and its all over within a flash,
a word of advice, drive the "suitable" conversion before you jump in, it has cost me well in excess of Ł12,000 of different setups/engine mods, i have even gained from 4700rpm turbo spool up to a now positive 3200 spool up (DEFANITE!! and on a T4, fooking ace setup!!!!!!!)
every engine/car is different,
itsmeagain,suck my fookin plums you rageing faggot, you read too many books!
either you have a 1.1 9sec mk3 fezzie or a GSXR1100 powered standard cossie on 90,000bhp shot of nos in your escort finesse i suggest you fuck off.
grow up little man.
i had a genuine 450bhp+ proven car,
car ran a 18sec 1/4 @99mph due to spining the wheels in every gear entill halfway through 4th gear, i have changed my engine setup dramatically, now on (still) 8.8:1CR, different cams, different headwork, different bottom end setup, few other "mechanical" engine changes, and even during runnning in, the driveability is a MASSIVE difference, outright power is lower on only 4 of my injectors runnng and a massive boost loss (30psi drop for now!!) but the car is a weapon on the current setup, problem i think with high tuned cars are(with my VERY high power turbo technics RS16i, past RST`s, cossies ans last tune of F666NHJ) is that i have set them up for when they come on boost, and when they do they are so ferouchous they just have all the power within 3000revs and its all over within a flash,
a word of advice, drive the "suitable" conversion before you jump in, it has cost me well in excess of Ł12,000 of different setups/engine mods, i have even gained from 4700rpm turbo spool up to a now positive 3200 spool up (DEFANITE!! and on a T4, fooking ace setup!!!!!!!)
every engine/car is different,
itsmeagain,suck my fookin plums you rageing faggot, you read too many books!
either you have a 1.1 9sec mk3 fezzie or a GSXR1100 powered standard cossie on 90,000bhp shot of nos in your escort finesse i suggest you fuck off.
grow up little man.
16-08-2004, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by robhaugen
Originally Posted by GT2
The horsepower is no secret as its posted on the tuners homepage......
and the o so secret nr is 770 hp.....
Where? i looked and found nothing..
"Av litt spesielle trimningsobjekter som Jens har bearbeidet, kan man nevne Porsche 911 2,0 l pĺ 227 hk, og rallycross motorer opptil 670 hk.
Man kan ogsĺ nevne diverse Porsche Turbo motorer fra 600 hk og oppover.
Men selve "juvelen" i samlingen er Cosworth motoren pĺ 2 liter som yter 770 hk og 845 Nm."
Sorry about the Norwegian quote...
16-08-2004, 10:25 PM
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Sean you fucking prick, its me Steve3drALS 
Thought you fookin knew
So your saying every bloody race engine builder in the world, and GPS proof on track cars, is wrong?
You might not find it better, but that dont make it wrong!
And i dont read shiiiiiiiit, should realise by now.
Thought you fookin knew So your saying every bloody race engine builder in the world, and GPS proof on track cars, is wrong?
You might not find it better, but that dont make it wrong!
And i dont read shiiiiiiiit, should realise by now.
16-08-2004, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GT2
Well, You have to know where to look....
"Av litt spesielle trimningsobjekter som Jens har bearbeidet, kan man nevne Porsche 911 2,0 l pĺ 227 hk, og rallycross motorer opptil 670 hk.
Man kan ogsĺ nevne diverse Porsche Turbo motorer fra 600 hk og oppover.
Men selve "juvelen" i samlingen er Cosworth motoren pĺ 2 liter som yter 770 hk og 845 Nm."
Sorry about the Norwegian quote...
Oh well.. I know those cars have plenty of bhp and more torque than god himself..
16-08-2004, 11:57 PM
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If they thought that they could get another 100b/ft from losing 100bhp, would they do it? No, as BHP is more important.
Im sure theyd rather have a 600bhp but lowish torque GrpB engine fitted than a 300bhp but 500lb/ft WRC engine fitted, as the revs and power would leave the rest for dead...
If they thought that they could get another 100b/ft from losing 100bhp, would they do it? No, as BHP is more important.
Im sure theyd rather have a 600bhp but lowish torque GrpB engine fitted than a 300bhp but 500lb/ft WRC engine fitted, as the revs and power would leave the rest for dead...
steve you look at the current crop of wrc against a groupb and theres no contest , the current wrc makes them look positivly dinosaur !! in all ways !!
17-08-2004, 12:01 AM
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Yes matey, but thats due to massivley better transmission, brakes, suspension, tyres, everything rather than the engine.
I mean, if the restrictor rule was removed, you think theyd stay at 300bhp/500lb/ft, or you think theyd all go 600bhp+?
I mean, if the restrictor rule was removed, you think theyd stay at 300bhp/500lb/ft, or you think theyd all go 600bhp+?
17-08-2004, 06:49 AM
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Rod youve spent all this dosh on a saffy..and i bet it spends most of the time off the road than on it..what is the point?
Rod youve spent all this dosh on a saffy..and i bet it spends most of the time off the road than on it..what is the point?
Cheers Rod
17-08-2004, 07:16 AM
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sean you dwarfed geordie pitbull long time no abuse lol
how the fook does a 1700cc engine spool up a t4 at 3200rpm? have you changed the e/h for a .48 or fitted als?
how the fook does a 1700cc engine spool up a t4 at 3200rpm? have you changed the e/h for a .48
or fitted als?
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Originally Posted by Escort_Cos
imo the european cossie guys seem very good at quoting bhp/torque figures
what have they actually achieved performance figures wise?
0-60
0-100
1/4 mile
top speed
and on what tyres
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
what have they actually achieved performance figures wise?
0-60
0-100
1/4 mile
top speed
and on what tyres
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
/Andreas
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building a fast track car and fast road car are 2 completely different things.
hammering your car round a track your always going to be in the top of the range so its good to say use a big turbo with loads of boost to keep you flying but when your building a fast road car where you will be driving it normally around speed limits then you want the deliver the power in a different way.
the turbo i have chosen to buy for my rst is a t25bb that has 23psi max and can push out 270bhp although my car will hopefully be set up with the emerald k3 and i hope to run 220-230bhp with 260-270ib/ft of torque.that comes in low down in the range
imo that should make for a fast road car as long as can get the power down ok
sorry for going off topic
hammering your car round a track your always going to be in the top of the range so its good to say use a big turbo with loads of boost to keep you flying but when your building a fast road car where you will be driving it normally around speed limits then you want the deliver the power in a different way.
the turbo i have chosen to buy for my rst is a t25bb that has 23psi max and can push out 270bhp although my car will hopefully be set up with the emerald k3 and i hope to run 220-230bhp with 260-270ib/ft of torque.that comes in low down in the range
imo that should make for a fast road car as long as can get the power down ok
sorry for going off topic
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lol i wil hang my head in shame, i started a thread in general discussion about torque and at the bottom where they have related threads was this one.i didnt even look at the dates,never do just commented lol
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normally a thread of power figures never would have interested me but i only opened it to see how many pages, i estimated first page
edited, just read the date.... few of these for me then
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