Norris or MSD ?
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Norris or MSD ?
Having no opinion or experience of either tuners yet i was just wondering if any one could tell me why i should chose one over the other ? Both are approx same time/distance to travel too, both have top reputations, i know some of you have your favourites & indeed some are friends even, but being objective who shall i pick ? Or spin the bottle ?
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I think it would boil down to which sticker you prefered the look of on your car tbh
I have used msd and they were fantastic, not used norris but not heard anything but good reports
I have used msd and they were fantastic, not used norris but not heard anything but good reports
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mmmmmmmm...........well i bet you can guess my answer
It all depends what you are after really as they are both good at what they do. As a full big power conversion, i.e. brakes, suspension, gearbox etc, i would say NMS for sure, but if it's mapping or say stg 3 conversion or the likes then either of them are good.
Hope this helps a little and i don't offend either party
It all depends what you are after really as they are both good at what they do. As a full big power conversion, i.e. brakes, suspension, gearbox etc, i would say NMS for sure, but if it's mapping or say stg 3 conversion or the likes then either of them are good.
Hope this helps a little and i don't offend either party
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Motorsport Developments have the edge in my book.
Stus experience of "real live mapping" is second to none.
They have all the correct equipment and the service is first class.
Stus experience of "real live mapping" is second to none.
They have all the correct equipment and the service is first class.
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As you know i am a NMS person myself.....
BUT
If i was new to the scene and wanting a tuner to work on my car, i wouldnt be worried about going to either
Put it this way, If Karl ever stopped working on cars....I would be going to Stu
The 2 best RS tuners in the country imho
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If i was new to the scene and wanting a tuner to work on my car, i wouldnt be worried about going to either
Put it this way, If Karl ever stopped working on cars....I would be going to Stu
The 2 best RS tuners in the country imho
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I must say the way that Karl transformed my 3dr was unbelievable, i wouldn`t take my car anywhere else, his knowledge of these cars is awesome, i`d recommend his and Ollies work to anyone
But what ive read on here about Stu, and the guys@ MS Developments as always been good comments, so its up to your personal choice my friend
But what ive read on here about Stu, and the guys@ MS Developments as always been good comments, so its up to your personal choice my friend
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any other time i would have said MSD but they had no time 2 do my engine rebuild so ive gone 2 grove (not knockin stu) but the idea ov my car mapped by ahmed haz always turned me on baby...look at ford history....he must b fookin gud
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Originally Posted by pete mcrash
any other time i would have said MSD but they had no time 2 do my engine rebuild so ive gone 2 grove (not knockin Stu) but the idea ov my car mapped by ahmed haz always turned me on baby...look at ford history....he must b fookin gud
Now Ahmed IS crap, would rather let my mum map my car
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mine is going into motorsport developments shortly for a live map and what these guys can do to a car is unreal.im very impressed with their customer service and their knowledge.
not used nms but have seen some of the cars he has done and he clearly is also very good at his job.
different people will always give different accounts for each tuner-speak to them both and see what you think.
not used nms but have seen some of the cars he has done and he clearly is also very good at his job.
different people will always give different accounts for each tuner-speak to them both and see what you think.
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Originally Posted by Tangodeltasierra3
At the moment i'm purchasing a new car which is flying, just want it looking over really, maybee Stg3 Gunship ?
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pete mcrash wrote:
any other time i would have said MSD but they had no time 2 do my engine rebuild so ive gone 2 grove (not knockin Stu) but the idea ov my car mapped by ahmed haz always turned me on baby...look at ford history....he must b fookin gud
Now Ahmed IS crap, would rather let my mum map my car
if ur mother iz free i'll use her.....but wots the prob with A.B....
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pete mcrash wrote:
any other time i would have said MSD but they had no time 2 do my engine rebuild so ive gone 2 grove (not knockin Stu) but the idea ov my car mapped by ahmed haz always turned me on baby...look at ford history....he must b fookin gud
Now Ahmed IS crap, would rather let my mum map my car
if ur mother iz free i'll use her.....but wots the prob with A.B....
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Originally Posted by pete mcrash
wots the problem with bayjoo like.....need 2 know
Only people to go to in my opinion are NMS, MSD, and MAD.
Not only tuners but enthusiast's too
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wanting opinions.....but i think i'll let him tune it its his speck engine and the lads i know use him....we'll c
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mines in with msd next friday,...
only cause i know they will do the job right,...not cuase they nice guys,..
ok, they are, but i think id go to msd purely because i knew stu before msd was msd...and lived next door to kenny, and his knowledge is also scary,...
im quite intelligent, and tried real hard to keep up but fook me,....mind boggling,...
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only cause i know they will do the job right,...not cuase they nice guys,..
ok, they are, but i think id go to msd purely because i knew stu before msd was msd...and lived next door to kenny, and his knowledge is also scary,...
im quite intelligent, and tried real hard to keep up but fook me,....mind boggling,...
carl
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Originally Posted by THE RS DJ
Motorsport Developments have the edge in my book.
Stus experience of "real live mapping" is second to none.
They have all the correct equipment and the service is first class.
Stus experience of "real live mapping" is second to none.
They have all the correct equipment and the service is first class.
Personally I use the person that has not blown any engines and box's up whilst mapping.
karl...
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Originally Posted by staffi
I must say the way that Karl transformed my 3dr was unbelievable, i wouldn`t take my car anywhere else, his knowledge of these cars is awesome, i`d recommend his and Ollies work to anyone
But what ive read on here about Stu, and the guys@ MS Developments as always been good comments, so its up to your personal choice my friend
But what ive read on here about Stu, and the guys@ MS Developments as always been good comments, so its up to your personal choice my friend
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erm, the asnwer to that IMO is only about how long you got and who can do it first
id let either karl or kenny/stu work on my car
ive recomnended MSD to everyone i know and i make it a point for anyone who wants a proper good service to use stu and hes ALWAYS come out tops and always helped out too when he can, as for kenny,,,,,, fuck me hes a smart chappy and always willing to help too
now the bad news, think that msd has a waiting list of 6 months now for mapping
which IS annoying but thats the price you pay i guess
oh and his waiting list aint cause hes busy doing mates cars, hes just busy doing everyones cars and thats the ONLY moan people say about him, that and hes in fucking blackpool so when you wait for your car you spend loads of csh in the arcades ( or doctor who museum, you know who you are !!!!)
id let either karl or kenny/stu work on my car
ive recomnended MSD to everyone i know and i make it a point for anyone who wants a proper good service to use stu and hes ALWAYS come out tops and always helped out too when he can, as for kenny,,,,,, fuck me hes a smart chappy and always willing to help too
now the bad news, think that msd has a waiting list of 6 months now for mapping
which IS annoying but thats the price you pay i guess
oh and his waiting list aint cause hes busy doing mates cars, hes just busy doing everyones cars and thats the ONLY moan people say about him, that and hes in fucking blackpool so when you wait for your car you spend loads of csh in the arcades ( or doctor who museum, you know who you are !!!!)
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Originally Posted by b19bal
erm, the asnwer to that IMO is only about how long you got and who can do it first
id let either karl or kenny/Stu work on my car
id let either karl or kenny/Stu work on my car
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kenny also told me how to convert a xr3i to efi turbo OVER THE PHONE AND ALSO FAULT FOUND THE PROBLEMS I HAD WOTH THE CAR TOO OVER THE PHONE NO TO MENTION TOLD ME THE COLOURS OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD
and that was just a phone call to ask what parts i need to buy to convert the car to accept a turbo
stu set up and wrote a chip for my old cossie that had better fuel economy than my old ahmed one,,,,,,,,,,,,, he also sorted my mates car with a collins greys chip when he had a 2 second delay and thats STILL running sweet
the only complaint ive EVeR heard about MSD is lead time,,,,,, i aint talking about the time he takes to do the job but the time it takes to get it booked in with him
now thats a fair point to achive with a 6 month waiting list and two guys who works 6 days a week imo
and that was just a phone call to ask what parts i need to buy to convert the car to accept a turbo
stu set up and wrote a chip for my old cossie that had better fuel economy than my old ahmed one,,,,,,,,,,,,, he also sorted my mates car with a collins greys chip when he had a 2 second delay and thats STILL running sweet
the only complaint ive EVeR heard about MSD is lead time,,,,,, i aint talking about the time he takes to do the job but the time it takes to get it booked in with him
now thats a fair point to achive with a 6 month waiting list and two guys who works 6 days a week imo
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the only complaint ive ever heard about karl norris hes he seemed to take on jobs that interested him and not everyone could be a customer of his unless he was recomended,,,,,,,,,, he does it to weed out the time wasters and i accept that but im sure others who ARNT time wasters will remeber that happening to them