Tribute vid to F1 deaths
23-06-2006, 07:07 PM
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"The release by the Italian authorities of the results of Ayrton Senna's autopsy, revealing that the driver had died instantaneously during the race at Imola, ignited still more controversy. Now there were questions about the reactions of the race director and the medical authorities. Although spokespersons for the hospital had stated that Senna was still breathing on arrival in Bologna, the autopsy on Ratzenberger [who died the day before] indicated that death had been instantaneous. Under Italian law, a death within the confines of the circuit would have required the cancellation of the entire race meeting.
That in turn, would have prevented the death of Ayrton Senna.
The relevant Italian legislation stipulates that when a death takes place during a sporting event, it should be immediately halted and the area sealed off for examination. In the case of Ratzenberger, this would have meant the cancellation of both Saturday's qualifying session and the San Marino Grand Prix on Sunday.
Had the meeting been cancelled, Sagis - the organisation which administers the Imola circuit - stood to lose an estimated US$6.5 million."
That in turn, would have prevented the death of Ayrton Senna.
The relevant Italian legislation stipulates that when a death takes place during a sporting event, it should be immediately halted and the area sealed off for examination. In the case of Ratzenberger, this would have meant the cancellation of both Saturday's qualifying session and the San Marino Grand Prix on Sunday.
Had the meeting been cancelled, Sagis - the organisation which administers the Imola circuit - stood to lose an estimated US$6.5 million."
26-06-2006, 07:58 PM
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NO NO, the last person to die before senna and ratzenberger wasnt Villenuave
it was elio de anglelis, testing at paul ricard in 86, every1 forgets this, keeps going on about this 12 years inbetween vill and senna dying, must not forget 'ELIO'
the drivers didnt know senna had died because he hadnt not till after 6pm that evening!!
ratzenberger died at the scene, i have vidoes of the paramedics trying to resacitate him!!!
ratzenberger was pulled out of the car very quickly as his condition was severe, ayrton on the other hand they felt they had a chance and spent a good 45 minutes removing him from the car and not making his severe condition worse!!!
There was too much money at stake to stop a grand prix.
it was elio de anglelis, testing at paul ricard in 86, every1 forgets this, keeps going on about this 12 years inbetween vill and senna dying, must not forget 'ELIO'
the drivers didnt know senna had died because he hadnt not till after 6pm that evening!!
ratzenberger died at the scene, i have vidoes of the paramedics trying to resacitate him!!!
ratzenberger was pulled out of the car very quickly as his condition was severe, ayrton on the other hand they felt they had a chance and spent a good 45 minutes removing him from the car and not making his severe condition worse!!!
There was too much money at stake to stop a grand prix.
26-06-2006, 08:01 PM
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the bbc didnt show the footage of them working on senna, because they did the day before when roland died they showed a little too much which proved a little to disturbing for alot of fans and drivers alike who were watching there monitors from inside there garages waiting to go out for there qualifying.
26-06-2006, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
NO NO, the last person to die before senna and ratzenberger wasnt Villenuave
it was elio de anglelis, testing at Paul ricard in 86, every1 forgets this, keeps going on about this 12 years inbetween vill and senna dying, must not forget 'ELIO'
the drivers didnt know senna had died because he hadnt not till after 6pm that evening!!
ratzenberger died at the scene, i have vidoes of the paramedics trying to resacitate him!!!
ratzenberger was pulled out of the car very quickly as his condition was severe, ayrton on the other hand they felt they had a chance and spent a good 45 minutes removing him from the car and not making his severe condition worse!!!
There was too much money at stake to stop a grand prix.
it was elio de anglelis, testing at Paul ricard in 86, every1 forgets this, keeps going on about this 12 years inbetween vill and senna dying, must not forget 'ELIO'
the drivers didnt know senna had died because he hadnt not till after 6pm that evening!!
ratzenberger died at the scene, i have vidoes of the paramedics trying to resacitate him!!!
ratzenberger was pulled out of the car very quickly as his condition was severe, ayrton on the other hand they felt they had a chance and spent a good 45 minutes removing him from the car and not making his severe condition worse!!!
There was too much money at stake to stop a grand prix.
There where no marshalls there and little fire prevention equipment.
Theres a video somewhere of mansell help lift his body out the still smoldering car
Another tragic loss.
26-06-2006, 08:06 PM
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Whilst only one driver had died inbetween vill and senna death (elio 86)
there had been some awful accidents in that time
martin donnelly 90 jerez, he was so lucky yo not have died, a fluke really.
several other drivers broke backs, necks legs etc.
always been lethal just were lucky not too lose any thru 83,84,85,....87,88,89,90.91.92,93
there had been some awful accidents in that time
martin donnelly 90 jerez, he was so lucky yo not have died, a fluke really.
several other drivers broke backs, necks legs etc.
always been lethal just were lucky not too lose any thru 83,84,85,....87,88,89,90.91.92,93
26-06-2006, 08:08 PM
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I KNOW HE WAS TESTING I DID STATE THAT
STILL AN F1 FATALITY
so people stating no deaths from vill to senna are wrong!!!!!!!
fire marshalls are present at every test session even back then. there was adequate, but not perfect, medical facilities available when elio died
STILL AN F1 FATALITY
so people stating no deaths from vill to senna are wrong!!!!!!!
fire marshalls are present at every test session even back then. there was adequate, but not perfect, medical facilities available when elio died
26-06-2006, 08:12 PM
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Disagree with those Elio comments:
On about the 3rd lap of a run Elio was on the run down the Mistral straight towards Signes corner. The rear wing failed somehow, and Elio spun to the outside (in much the same place Senna went off in 1985) and vaulted the wall.
The car landed upside down and burst into flames. It is highly likely that Elio survived the massive impact and was conscious upside down trapped in the burning wreckage. However, as was the way back then, there was no safety team. Alain Prost and Nigel Mansell saw smoke billowing from the corner whilst they were in the pits, and they, together with a number of Brabham and McLaren team members ran as fast as they could to the scene.
When they got there, the car had been burning for approximately 7 minutes. They rolled the car over and extricated Elio, but this took another few minutes as there were no extinguishers nearby and no one has fire proof gloves.
Sadly the delay had cost Elio his life. Trapped in his burning car he had suffered a massive cardiac arrest, and although they managed to restart his heart he never stood a chance with all the burns he got. He died in hospital around a day later, as far as I know without regaining consciousness.
The car landed upside down and burst into flames. It is highly likely that Elio survived the massive impact and was conscious upside down trapped in the burning wreckage. However, as was the way back then, there was no safety team. Alain Prost and Nigel Mansell saw smoke billowing from the corner whilst they were in the pits, and they, together with a number of Brabham and McLaren team members ran as fast as they could to the scene.
When they got there, the car had been burning for approximately 7 minutes. They rolled the car over and extricated Elio, but this took another few minutes as there were no extinguishers nearby and no one has fire proof gloves.
Sadly the delay had cost Elio his life. Trapped in his burning car he had suffered a massive cardiac arrest, and although they managed to restart his heart he never stood a chance with all the burns he got. He died in hospital around a day later, as far as I know without regaining consciousness.
26-06-2006, 08:21 PM
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there was a shit medical centre present as was doctors, unequiped to deal with a serious accident.
a medical helicopter arrived after 30 mins of the accident and elio died just over a day later.
a medical helicopter arrived after 30 mins of the accident and elio died just over a day later.
26-06-2006, 08:31 PM
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proper bad news 
heres a link to a tribute to elio de angelis
http://youtube.com/watch?v=846BgJ4zJHs&search=elio
heres a link to a tribute to elio de angelis
http://youtube.com/watch?v=846BgJ4zJHs&search=elio
26-06-2006, 10:09 PM
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I've watched this clip, 6+ times,
And its all so Sad,
But some didn't look to bad, until a fire started, for example the crash on the start grid, and the driver gets Burn't alive @ 6.18 mins.
the Roger Williamson's crash is at 1.53 mins, and the Tom pryce's is at 3.30 mins.
And its all so Sad,
But some didn't look to bad, until a fire started, for example the crash on the start grid, and the driver gets Burn't alive @ 6.18 mins.
Originally Posted by SimonT
Is the Roger Williamson crash on there? Or the Tom Pryce one?
The two most aweful incidents in F1's history.
The two most aweful incidents in F1's history.
the Roger Williamson's crash is at 1.53 mins, and the Tom pryce's is at 3.30 mins.
26-06-2006, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fiesta cossie
I've watched this clip, 6+ times,
And its all so Sad,
But some didn't look to bad, until a fire started, for example the crash on the start grid, and the driver gets Burn't alive @ 6.18 mins.
the Roger Williamson's crash is at 1.53 mins, and the Tom pryce's is at 3.30 mins.
And its all so Sad,
But some didn't look to bad, until a fire started, for example the crash on the start grid, and the driver gets Burn't alive @ 6.18 mins.
Originally Posted by SimonT
Is the Roger Williamson crash on there? Or the Tom Pryce one?
The two most aweful incidents in F1's history.
The two most aweful incidents in F1's history.
the Roger Williamson's crash is at 1.53 mins, and the Tom pryce's is at 3.30 mins.
Does Pryce actually get ripped apart?! It's hard to tell fromt he quality of the video.....
26-06-2006, 11:09 PM
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At the end of lap 21 of the Grand Prix at Kyalami, South Africa, on March 5, 1977, Renzo Zorzi retired his Shadow with a split fuel pipe which had caused a small, but harmless fire. Zorzi's car was parked in a blind brow but two marshalls stationed on the opposite side of the track decided to cross to tackle the fire. At that moment, cars driven by Pryce and Hans-Joachim Stuck suddenly appeared, nearly side-by-side. Stuck's car passed behind the first marshall and ahead of the second marshall, 19 year old Jansen Van Vuuren. Pryce however could not avoid Van Vuuren, hitting him at high speed and killing the marshall instantly. The impact seemed to have only minimum influence on Pryce's car, only slightly damaging its front wing. However, the fire extinguisher Van Vuuren was carrying struck Pryce on the head, killing Pryce instantly. Pryce's car continued down the straight track, gradually slowing down and verging to the right. Jacques Laffite, who was unsure what was going on, moved alongside as the two cars approached Crowthorne, at that point Pryce's car skidded off the barriers, back on the track again, where it hit Laffite's Ligier, taking Laffite out of the race but not injuring him.
As to Van Vuuren, the injuries to his body were extremely severe. His body was split in half and dismembered. It was identified only by exclusion, after the race director gathered all of his colleagues.
(The Impact was so severe it ripped Pryce's helmet off)
As to Van Vuuren, the injuries to his body were extremely severe. His body was split in half and dismembered. It was identified only by exclusion, after the race director gathered all of his colleagues.
(The Impact was so severe it ripped Pryce's helmet off)
Thats so sad, From a small fire, to 2 deaths,
i didn't know any of this till after i watched the clip many times, and i read it above.
Wot speed was the car moving on impact??
As hard to understand why the 2 marshalls crossed, if they could hear cars coming.
27-06-2006, 03:01 PM
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the accident on the start line was riccardo palleti who ran into the back of didier pironi at 100mph, the accident dosent look bad cuz of the angle. he acutally died due to his injuries from the accident and not from the fire
27-06-2006, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
the accident on the start line was riccardo palleti who ran into the back of didier pironi at 100mph, the accident dosent look bad cuz of the angle. he acutally died due to his injuries from the accident and not from the fire
i spoke to a bloke i work with about this, And he sed The day Before Senna Died, just after the Ratzenberger's fatal crash, Senna didn't want to race, as he sed it was dangerous, but he was told he most race,
Is this true??
27-06-2006, 07:50 PM
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It was believed Senna died as a result of the safety car coming out. This caused several slower laps, which reduced tyre temps and obviously pressure. This meant the car was running just 2 or 3 mm lower than it was, enough to cause the car to bottom out around the corner resulting in the rear tyres losing traction and him sliding off.
27-06-2006, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by richard_syko
It was believed Senna died as a result of the safety car coming out. This caused several slower laps, which reduced tyre temps and obviously pressure. This meant the car was running just 2 or 3 mm lower than it was, enough to cause the car to bottom out around the corner resulting in the rear tyres losing traction and him sliding off.
27-06-2006, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by richard_syko
It was believed Senna died as a result of the safety car coming out. This caused several slower laps, which reduced tyre temps and obviously pressure. This meant the car was running just 2 or 3 mm lower than it was, enough to cause the car to bottom out around the corner resulting in the rear tyres losing traction and him sliding off.
27-06-2006, 08:04 PM
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27-06-2006, 08:45 PM
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f1 nurosurgeon sid watkins, asked senna not to race the following day, as a 3 time world champion he had nothing to prove. senna ignored watkins advice and said its just something he has got to do.
and he did he raced.
and he did he raced.
27-06-2006, 10:51 PM
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RIP im sure they boys are in a better place and it just shows to go as Stu says even the pro's get it wrong sometimes and no one absolute NO ONE is invincible
Stay safe guys keep em on the rubber
Stay safe guys keep em on the rubber
28-06-2006, 09:27 PM
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not so much they have got anything wrong, they were driving to the best of there ability. so many factors involved. I do not really agree any of them did anything wrong!
28-05-2007, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
NO NO, the last person to die before senna and ratzenberger wasnt Villenuave
it was elio de anglelis, testing at Paul ricard in 86, every1 forgets this, keeps going on about this 12 years inbetween vill and senna dying, must not forget 'ELIO'
it was elio de anglelis, testing at Paul ricard in 86, every1 forgets this, keeps going on about this 12 years inbetween vill and senna dying, must not forget 'ELIO'
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Originally Posted by B11GNS
Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
NO NO, the last person to die before senna and ratzenberger wasnt Villenuave
it was elio de anglelis, testing at Paul ricard in 86, every1 forgets this, keeps going on about this 12 years inbetween vill and senna dying, must not forget 'ELIO'
it was elio de anglelis, testing at Paul ricard in 86, every1 forgets this, keeps going on about this 12 years inbetween vill and senna dying, must not forget 'ELIO'
28-05-2007, 09:07 PM
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i was stating that the the last driver to die before senna in f1 was elio whioch i was right, i never mentioned anything about paletti mate, you confused mate
29-05-2007, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
i was stating that the the last driver to die before senna in f1 was elio whioch i was right, i never mentioned anything about paletti mate, you confused mate
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