The Clive the cossie saga continues!!!
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
_Ben_,
Yeah its called a dial out gauge on the face of the cylinder head.
Yeah its called a dial out gauge on the face of the cylinder head.
This engine was a fully assembled powerunit as i understand it and fibrious 611 gaskets mainly fail due to material deterioration and corrosion around the exhaust side coolant channels 95% of the time.... what use is your DTi in assesing this condition? Zero.
I gathered that the engine was in one piece, and I also appreciate that the engine was complete - the dial out gauge would have indicated categorically that the head was warped and required skimming/replacement. The DTi would have been zero help in assessing this condition you describe. Maria's original message stated:
After inspection at SCC it was discovered that my head had warped, hence needed replacing!!
The reason for my original post is due to something which Maria wrote in her original message:
Well, after a few swear words, Rob got the head put back on, only to discover that the head wasnt the only problem i had with my engine! and suspected that my bottom end was in need of a rebuild!!!
I'd like to see garages who fit second hand engines (and who also care about the customer) give the type of advice which would have saved Maria the grief of breaking down.
The lesson here is have second hand engines thoroughly inspected before purchase.
Cheers.
11-08-2004, 07:56 PM
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cheers everyone!
ive just been out to the garage to stare at her for a while............ she's just sitting there with a brick behind each wheel, handbrake off, lookin grubby! Might clean her at tyhe weekend, might make me feel a bit better! I really wish i could get up the courage to strip her down and sell her in pieces, but this is my dream car, the only car i have ever ever wanted, and it just seems i have had the shittest of luck with her,
first of all finding out she had been clocked!
secondly, my engine letting go and having to replace it
and now thirdly the head going and leading to other engine crap
i dont think im destined to be a cossie owner, maybe i shoulda stuck with my skyline.............................
ive just been out to the garage to stare at her for a while............ she's just sitting there with a brick behind each wheel, handbrake off, lookin grubby! Might clean her at tyhe weekend, might make me feel a bit better! I really wish i could get up the courage to strip her down and sell her in pieces, but this is my dream car, the only car i have ever ever wanted, and it just seems i have had the shittest of luck with her,
first of all finding out she had been clocked!
secondly, my engine letting go and having to replace it
and now thirdly the head going and leading to other engine crap
i dont think im destined to be a cossie owner, maybe i shoulda stuck with my skyline.............................
11-08-2004, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by _Ben_
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
_Ben_,
Yeah its called a dial out gauge on the face of the cylinder head.
Yeah its called a dial out gauge on the face of the cylinder head.
This engine was a fully assembled powerunit as i understand it and fibrious 611 gaskets mainly fail due to material deterioration and corrosion around the exhaust side coolant channels 95% of the time.... what use is your DTi in assesing this condition? Zero.
I gathered that the engine was in one piece, and I also appreciate that the engine was complete - the dial out gauge would have indicated categorically that the head was warped and required skimming/replacement. The DTi would have been zero help in assessing this condition you describe. Maria's original message stated:
After inspection at SCC it was discovered that my head had warped, hence needed replacing!!
The reason for my original post is due to something which Maria wrote in her original message:
Well, after a few swear words, Rob got the head put back on, only to discover that the head wasnt the only problem i had with my engine! and suspected that my bottom end was in need of a rebuild!!!
I'd like to see garages who fit second hand engines (and who also care about the customer) give the type of advice which would have saved Maria the grief of breaking down.
The lesson here is have second hand engines thoroughly inspected before purchase.
Cheers.
11-08-2004, 08:00 PM
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Maria we have all been there condsidered breaking but you will alwyas regret it the day she running properly and reliably.You will just think I was crazy to ever think of breaking him 
11-08-2004, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by _Ben_
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
_Ben_,
Yeah its called a dial out gauge on the face of the cylinder head.
Yeah its called a dial out gauge on the face of the cylinder head.
This engine was a fully assembled powerunit as i understand it and fibrious 611 gaskets mainly fail due to material deterioration and corrosion around the exhaust side coolant channels 95% of the time.... what use is your DTi in assesing this condition? Zero.
I gathered that the engine was in one piece, and I also appreciate that the engine was complete - the dial out gauge would have indicated categorically that the head was warped and required skimming/replacement. The DTi would have been zero help in assessing this condition you describe. Maria's original message stated:
After inspection at SCC it was discovered that my head had warped, hence needed replacing!!
The reason for my original post is due to something which Maria wrote in her original message:
Well, after a few swear words, Rob got the head put back on, only to discover that the head wasnt the only problem i had with my engine! and suspected that my bottom end was in need of a rebuild!!!
I'd like to see garages who fit second hand engines (and who also care about the customer) give the type of advice which would have saved Maria the grief of breaking down.
The lesson here is have second hand engines thoroughly inspected before purchase.
Cheers.
The engine was in and running no problems untill the gasket blew, then the head was removed to find the head warped and scrap.......
If you was told the engine had a brand new head and had been rebuilt only 10k ago would you have bothered to spend more money taking the head off to check, in heinsight (spellling) we probably would but thats history....
11-08-2004, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Less
Maria we have all been there condsidered breaking but you will alwyas regret it the day she running properly and reliably.You will just think I was crazy to ever think of breaking him
11-08-2004, 08:04 PM
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Maria.....
Its called Cossie ownership
I know people who have had several Cossies with no trouble at all and on the other hand people like you with your Escort and me with my Saff (over £10k with no labour as i did it all myself) and i'm sure there are loads and loads of other owners out there that also own a money pit secretly badged COSWORTH....
Once Clive is all sorted again you will regain the love for Cossie ownership
Take the winter months to get it sorted 100% and bring him out on Feb 19th to Bedford Autodrome
Steve
Its called Cossie ownership
I know people who have had several Cossies with no trouble at all and on the other hand people like you with your Escort and me with my Saff (over £10k with no labour as i did it all myself) and i'm sure there are loads and loads of other owners out there that also own a money pit secretly badged COSWORTH....
Once Clive is all sorted again
you will regain the love for Cossie ownership Take the winter months to get it sorted 100% and bring him out on Feb 19th to Bedford Autodrome
Steve
11-08-2004, 08:04 PM
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[quote="Rs Gus"][quote="_Ben_"]
LOL!! Spew water where? Whether the head was warped prior to the failure or afterwards is really irrelevant - my point is that:
a little suggestion from the garage to say "this is a second hand engine we would advise a health check before we fit it" might have been a good idea.
Cheers.
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
[quotewhat a load of shit! if the head was warped BEFORE it blew why didint it spew water everywhere stick to your poxhalls m8
a little suggestion from the garage to say "this is a second hand engine we would advise a health check before we fit it" might have been a good idea.
Cheers.
11-08-2004, 08:05 PM
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youve made some good points there ben, thankya!
and less - youre probably right, id proper regret it i think if i did break her!
she'll just have to sit there for a year or two me thinks while i raise the cash to get her all fixed!!!
and less - youre probably right, id proper regret it i think if i did break her!
she'll just have to sit there for a year or two me thinks while i raise the cash to get her all fixed!!!
11-08-2004, 08:06 PM
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[quote="_Ben_"][quote="Rs Gus"]
LOL!! Spew water where? Whether the head was warped prior to the failure or afterwards is really irrelevant - my point is that:
a little suggestion from the garage to say "this is a second hand engine we would advise a health check before we fit it" might have been a good idea.
Cheers.
spew it out of the header tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and also if you have just payed 2600 for a engine would you want to spend another1k no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by _Ben_
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
[quotewhat a load of shit! if the head was warped BEFORE it blew why didint it spew water everywhere stick to your poxhalls m8
a little suggestion from the garage to say "this is a second hand engine we would advise a health check before we fit it" might have been a good idea.
Cheers.
11-08-2004, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob@SCC Performance
Sorry mate i dont think you have all the facts correct....
The engine was in and running no problems untill the gasket blew, then the head was removed to find the head warped and scrap.......
If you was told the engine had a brand new head and had been rebuilt only 10k ago would you have bothered to spend more money taking the head off to check, in heinsight (spellling) we probably would but thats history....
The engine was in and running no problems untill the gasket blew, then the head was removed to find the head warped and scrap.......
If you was told the engine had a brand new head and had been rebuilt only 10k ago would you have bothered to spend more money taking the head off to check, in heinsight (spellling) we probably would but thats history....
Cheers.
11-08-2004, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by _Ben_
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
_Ben_,
Yeah its called a dial out gauge on the face of the cylinder head.
Yeah its called a dial out gauge on the face of the cylinder head.
This engine was a fully assembled powerunit as i understand it and fibrious 611 gaskets mainly fail due to material deterioration and corrosion around the exhaust side coolant channels 95% of the time.... what use is your DTi in assesing this condition? Zero.
I gathered that the engine was in one piece, and I also appreciate that the engine was complete - the dial out gauge would have indicated categorically that the head was warped and required skimming/replacement. The DTi would have been zero help in assessing this condition you describe. Maria's original message stated:
After inspection at SCC it was discovered that my head had warped, hence needed replacing!!
The reason for my original post is due to something which Maria wrote in her original message:
Well, after a few swear words, Rob got the head put back on, only to discover that the head wasnt the only problem i had with my engine! and suspected that my bottom end was in need of a rebuild!!!
I'd like to see garages who fit second hand engines (and who also care about the customer) give the type of advice which would have saved Maria the grief of breaking down.
The lesson here is have second hand engines thoroughly inspected before purchase.
Cheers.
Although the methods you are describing are indeed factually correct, the point you are missing is the head wasnt deemed to be warped until AFTER she blew the head gasket and cooked the ringpack etc etc...
Prior to this i dont believe currently that Rob had ever seen this engines internals. (Although i stand to be corrected of course)
So as i say.. the various dial methods and procedures are useless in this instance as they all require access to the sealing surface.
Im certainly not singling you out here so please dont missunderstand my intentions.
11-08-2004, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rs Gus
spew it out of the header tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and also if you have just payed 2600 for a engine would you want to spend another1k no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're right about not wanting to spend another 1k on a second hand engine, and thats why when my engine failed (oil starvation) I rebuilt it from brand new components.
Cheers.
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Originally Posted by _Ben_
Originally Posted by Rob@SCC Performance
Sorry mate i dont think you have all the facts correct....
The engine was in and running no problems untill the gasket blew, then the head was removed to find the head warped and scrap.......
If you was told the engine had a brand new head and had been rebuilt only 10k ago would you have bothered to spend more money taking the head off to check, in heinsight (spellling) we probably would but thats history....
The engine was in and running no problems untill the gasket blew, then the head was removed to find the head warped and scrap.......
If you was told the engine had a brand new head and had been rebuilt only 10k ago would you have bothered to spend more money taking the head off to check, in heinsight (spellling) we probably would but thats history....
Cheers.
11-08-2004, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Ben,
Although the methods you are describing are indeed factually correct, the point you are missing is the head wasnt deemed to be warped until AFTER she blew the head gasket and cooked the ringpack etc etc...
Prior to this i dont believe currently that Rob had ever seen this engines internals. (Although i stand to be corrected of course)
So as i say.. the various dial methods and procedures are useless in this instance as they all require access to the sealing surface.
Im certainly not singling you out here so please dont missunderstand my intentions.
Although the methods you are describing are indeed factually correct, the point you are missing is the head wasnt deemed to be warped until AFTER she blew the head gasket and cooked the ringpack etc etc...
Prior to this i dont believe currently that Rob had ever seen this engines internals. (Although i stand to be corrected of course)
So as i say.. the various dial methods and procedures are useless in this instance as they all require access to the sealing surface.
Im certainly not singling you out here so please dont missunderstand my intentions.
I agree that the methods I describe are impossible with the engine in one piece.
Cheers.
11-08-2004, 08:14 PM
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benn most hg failiurs result in some sort of spewing water from some orofice ive never had 1 that hasent! i do agree with the rebiulding from new parts not buying a second hand engine! you would also have somne sign of failiure in the oil and been as it was recently fitted comon practice would dictate oil to be changed after appx100 miles!
you would also have somne sign of failiure in the oil and been as it was recently fitted comon practice would dictate oil to be changed after appx100 miles!
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Originally Posted by Less
Erm me thinks i best sink back into my hole now as I cant really take the piss here Kim
With both my Rses having names
With both my Rses having names
Am i alone in the world in not naming my car?
11-08-2004, 08:28 PM
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No not silly at all only had it a couple of months but its amazing how many know the RSk coz of the name.So touch wood should she ever leave home with out my knowledge it will easy to spot her.
Whos so dumb now
Whos so dumb now
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Originally Posted by Krazy Kim
Originally Posted by Less
Erm me thinks i best sink back into my hole now as I cant really take the piss here Kim
With both my Rses having names
With both my Rses having names
Am i alone in the world in not naming my car?
1.It looked nothing like that when i bought it
2.It was very moody
3.It was expensive and had a fortune spent on it on stuff it did,nt really need
4.For an old nacker i suppose it does,nt scrub up too bad
Sums it all up really "Donna"
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Originally Posted by Less
No not silly at all only had it a couple of months but its amazing how many know the RSk coz of the name.So touch wood should she ever leave home with out my knowledge it will easy to spot her.
Whos so dumb now
Whos so dumb now
Andy......
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Fook me!!!! How can such a simple thread turn to shit?
Feel really sorry for you Maria. You have had some bad luck with that car and I really wish I could help out in some way!
Feel really sorry for you Maria. You have had some bad luck with that car and I really wish I could help out in some way!
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Originally Posted by DazC
Fook me!!!! How can such a simple thread turn to shit?
Feel really sorry for you Maria. You have had some bad luck with that car and I really wish I could help out in some way!
Feel really sorry for you Maria. You have had some bad luck with that car and I really wish I could help out in some way!
11-08-2004, 09:04 PM
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Bloody hell! For 9k Martin Hadland could have built you a brand spanking new 600bhp engine!
11-08-2004, 09:36 PM
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"Stu @ M Developments Maybe Maria should have asked for the engine to be stripped and refreshed, but again, given she chose a decent soundin second hand unit at reasonable cost, id say she took a calculated risk to reduce expenditure
I know if you did a job for someone you would give them the best advise in there own interests and if it went tits up you would stand by your advise
But if the customer did not take your advise you would say i told you so!
I have been in Rob SCC postion before and understand how he feels about his name being slated and his workmanship brought into question but that is part of being in business.
11-08-2004, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RSrussell
Are you the same PJ Engineering that total fooked my cousins engine after a fresh rebuild? ...........
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Re: The Clive the cossie saga continues!!!
Originally Posted by maria
Well as most of you know, on my way back from the Bristol meet last month, my head gasket gave way!! 
After inspection at SCC it was discovered that my head had warped, hence needed replacing!! 
The top man Paul at North Yorks Spares sent over a new head to SCC so they could get it reattached to clives engine!
Well, after a few swear words, Rob got the head put back on, only to discover that the ehad wasnt the only problem i had with my engine! and suspected that my bottom end was in need of a rebuild!!! 
So due to lack of funds, AND enthusiasm now, i went and picked clive up on Saturday on the back of a trailer and she is now sat in my garage, looking and feeling very sorry for herself!
Mark from M A Developments came out to have a gander under the bonnet for me yesterday, just to confirm what SCC had said, and that yes, i need a rebuild!
So after a total of approx 9grand and a huge total of 500 miles, i am right back to square one!!
So while i start saving my pennies, i am yet again cossieless!
i just thought id let you all in on the latest in the poorly cossie saga!
Oh and thanks again to everyone for putting up with me moaning, ranting and raving about clive!!!
After inspection at SCC it was discovered that my head had warped, hence needed replacing!!
The top man Paul at North Yorks Spares sent over a new head to SCC so they could get it reattached to clives engine!
Well, after a few swear words, Rob got the head put back on, only to discover that the ehad wasnt the only problem i had with my engine! and suspected that my bottom end was in need of a rebuild!!!
So due to lack of funds, AND enthusiasm now, i went and picked clive up on Saturday on the back of a trailer and she is now sat in my garage, looking and feeling very sorry for herself!
Mark from M A Developments came out to have a gander under the bonnet for me yesterday, just to confirm what SCC had said, and that yes, i need a rebuild!
So after a total of approx 9grand and a huge total of 500 miles, i am right back to square one!!
So while i start saving my pennies, i am yet again cossieless!
i just thought id let you all in on the latest in the poorly cossie saga!
Oh and thanks again to everyone for putting up with me moaning, ranting and raving about clive!!!
12-08-2004, 03:14 AM
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Wow, just read the whole thing, I think Scc did their Job and didn't do anything wrong.
Maria and Scc both trusted that the engine only had those miles on it, along with a new head gasket was it? And thought it was in good working order to put in. Somewhere along the line something happend. She's extremely pissed and venting her sad story, NOT blaming SCC, but on the other hand,not looking out for them either. I feel bad for what happend, but now if and when she decides to get another engine, it wont cost 9K to build. So what exactly do you need to get ole Clive back on the road? Surely some of us can help Oh and BTW, as in the other post, I'll kick in 10 quid, but I don't want a naked picture! But Taryn might!!
Maria and Scc both trusted that the engine only had those miles on it, along with a new head gasket was it? And thought it was in good working order to put in. Somewhere along the line something happend. She's extremely pissed and venting her sad story, NOT blaming SCC, but on the other hand,not looking out for them either. I feel bad for what happend, but now if and when she decides to get another engine, it wont cost 9K to build. So what exactly do you need to get ole Clive back on the road? Surely some of us can help
Oh and BTW, as in the other post, I'll kick in 10 quid, but I don't want a naked picture! But Taryn might!!
12-08-2004, 07:21 AM
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Just so everyone knows , I supplied this engine to maria ,
The engine was a superb RUNNING engine with no gasket problems or overheating problems at all when i removed it. There was , and still is the complete file of reciepts for the complete engine rebuild from A VERY VERY WELL KNOWN AND RESPECTED engine builder , these state a brand new 200 block and new pistons etc etc , also there is a reciept for a brand new genuine RS 500 head , suplied by graham goode .
I boasted that this was one of the most smooth running engines i had ever heard , and when this engine was fitted by SCC i was told that many people who had heard it run also where stunned by the way it ran .
Also to note the engine was supplied 100% complete with a brand new HYBRID turbo on manifold , complete inlette and all switches etc etc
I stand by the sale of this engine as being a superb engine at the time of fitment but sadly somthing went wrong and how can anyone have known this was going to happen ,, Please note the gasket went later,, the gasket was not blown before fitting , so dont assume i sold a engine with a fault nore am i blameing SCC it is one of them sad sad tails of which cant be prevented by ANYONE .
Also note that the head was badly warped due to the car getting that hot after it boiled , the warping was not the reason the gasket failed , as has been mentioned .
I must just add that Maria has been 100% understanding that i couldnt have known the gasket might blow so soon and has not blamed me in any way whatso ever ,
For this fact Maria i would Like to thank you and offer that if you need any parts to help the rebuild of your engine then please contact me and if i can help then i will and the parts will be FOC , ( if i have them )
Remember this engine had only covered aprox 10, 000 miles since its total rebuild , and i can prove this so please be aware i didnt sell maria a old smoker for the money , she got a good spec engine / turbo etc at a good price , it has just been a shame the gasket failed and did so much damage .
Thanks for reading Paul .
The engine was a superb RUNNING engine with no gasket problems or overheating problems at all when i removed it. There was , and still is the complete file of reciepts for the complete engine rebuild from A VERY VERY WELL KNOWN AND RESPECTED engine builder , these state a brand new 200 block and new pistons etc etc , also there is a reciept for a brand new genuine RS 500 head , suplied by graham goode .
I boasted that this was one of the most smooth running engines i had ever heard , and when this engine was fitted by SCC i was told that many people who had heard it run also where stunned by the way it ran .
Also to note the engine was supplied 100% complete with a brand new HYBRID turbo on manifold , complete inlette and all switches etc etc
I stand by the sale of this engine as being a superb engine at the time of fitment but sadly somthing went wrong and how can anyone have known this was going to happen ,, Please note the gasket went later,, the gasket was not blown before fitting , so dont assume i sold a engine with a fault nore am i blameing SCC it is one of them sad sad tails of which cant be prevented by ANYONE .
Also note that the head was badly warped due to the car getting that hot after it boiled , the warping was not the reason the gasket failed , as has been mentioned .
I must just add that Maria has been 100% understanding that i couldnt have known the gasket might blow so soon and has not blamed me in any way whatso ever ,
For this fact Maria i would Like to thank you and offer that if you need any parts to help the rebuild of your engine then please contact me and if i can help then i will and the parts will be FOC , ( if i have them )
Remember this engine had only covered aprox 10, 000 miles since its total rebuild , and i can prove this so please be aware i didnt sell maria a old smoker for the money , she got a good spec engine / turbo etc at a good price , it has just been a shame the gasket failed and did so much damage .
Thanks for reading Paul .
12-08-2004, 07:32 AM
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ps, I Did offer Maria the chance to hear the engine run before she bought it , but as she lives miles away from me this was not sensible so she trusted me and i delivered it ,
One thing i will never do again as then i cant be put in this horrible situation again ,, it stops there being any suspission.
My advice from a seller or a buyer ,, if it cant be heard running dont buy or sell it ,,,,,,, I wont.
One thing i will never do again as then i cant be put in this horrible situation again ,, it stops there being any suspission.
My advice from a seller or a buyer ,, if it cant be heard running dont buy or sell it ,,,,,,, I wont.
12-08-2004, 08:08 AM
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Nightmare!!! I have read this whole post and feel very sorry for Maria!! If i had had spent 9k rebuilding my pride and joy and it all went wrong i would be in total despair..... just like Maria is and hence her post, when you are depressed about something (as im sure she is) you just need some cheering up and positive comments, at no stage has she accused or blamed anyone for this she is just(and rightly so) gutted!!
Now as i see it its not 9k down the drain as there are a lot of good quality re-usable parts already purchased, Paul has said he will help out as much as possible re more parts and Im sure Rob from SCC will be on hand to give as much help and advice as needed.
So....... dont despair Maria I think you are probably dealing with two of the best traders you could hope for on here (I have dealt with Paul and know this for fact and from what people are saying Rob is top notch too) and i would speak to them both as they will both be willing to help I dont think its going to cost as much as you imagine to sort this out and I certainly dont think you will need to wait 1 - 2 years to get your Cossie back on the road.
Regs,
Mark
Now as i see it its not 9k down the drain as there are a lot of good quality re-usable parts already purchased, Paul has said he will help out as much as possible re more parts and Im sure Rob from SCC will be on hand to give as much help and advice as needed.
So....... dont despair Maria I think you are probably dealing with two of the best traders you could hope for on here (I have dealt with Paul and know this for fact and from what people are saying Rob is top notch too) and i would speak to them both as they will both be willing to help I dont think its going to cost as much as you imagine to sort this out and I certainly dont think you will need to wait 1 - 2 years to get your Cossie back on the road.
Regs,
Mark