Stavros

Dont need to countersteer much.
Let go of the steering wheel.
It does it for you.
The minute you relax and stop trying so hard, you get better.

Watch an in-car vid of someone good, or even better go in the car with em, its amazing how little they do with the steering sometimes.

And do that at between 80-120mph holding the drift through about 5 consecutive corners with no regaining traction the whole time.

BTW paul walker aint in it, but a guy that looks just like him is

Escort-Ian

when you're trying to do all that with entry speeds of 100mph i imagine it gets interesting

hats off to the pros, i'll stick with piddly power oversteering for now in wide open spaces

BlueSmoke

Deffo gonna have to do a drift day type thing. Really interested in learning the basics

Probably never be any good like, but it would be nice to have a go with a tiny bit of knowledge

What's a good drift toy then for around Ł500? As in something learn in and track. Would an XR4i be any good or would it be akin to trying to drift a barge on the canal?

Stavros

E30 325 bimmer is probably your best bet for 500quid once you strip it right out and weld the diff up.
Or an ancient 535.

Even a 320 will be fine if cant find a 325 for the cash, dont need powerrrrrr.

Actually, 24v Carlton or Senator is suprisingly legendary, id go for that.

RichardPON

The biggest thing most people find is movement of the wheel.

I genuinely thing MOST people either don't understand what opposite lock is, or how much youhave to apply to hold a car properly sideways.

A half turn lock is nothing - it's when you've let go the wheel, and know exactly where the front wheels are at that its exciting!

Dan

Film looks utter shite, the first one was good back in the day (but even now is abit far fetched ), 2nd one was bareable and an ok watch I guess, but this 3rd one does just look utter bollocks!

Don't think i'll ruin the other 2 further by going to see this one!

AKJ-Dan

Amazing what a film can do to people... and you all haven't watched it yet

BlueSmoke

What engine is the 24v Carlton then? 3.0 v6? Does it run a slipper? Can't imagine a stripped out Carlton!

Stavros

3litre straight six. 205bhp 200lbft.

Some have slippers some dont.

You ideally want a car with NO slipper, so you can weld it up, standard slippers on any car are GAY.

BlueSmoke

Wouldn't have a clue about welding a diff up though to be honest. Would need to get someone else to do it.

RichardPON

..... but you HAVE to make sure your tracking is setup - I think plenty of toe-in, and the wheel self centres more easily........

also true about being relaxed.....the manic sawing away at the wheel types never get it quite right......

but as we've always said, it's getting the lock off quickly enough and at the right time that is key, so you don't end up with one of those moments where the back end slams straight as someone backs off the power and gets the wheels straight at the very last second!

Stavros

Dogsmoke- So would I, but if you cant even be arsed to get something simple like that done then you wont get anywhere.

Cost you about 50quid, 100 at most i reckon with them doing all the work.

Drifting is very technical in regard to suspension geometry, diffs, tyres, etc, way more than engine work, its not like bolting stuff on like most car modifying.

Stavros

No you dont, even a standard car will do it, can mod it to make it even better, but dont need to, any car will at a suitable speed once sideways, unless its had a smash and the geometrys well out, thats how cars are designed.

Nowt to do with toe, caster angle is what will affect the speed of it.

c6sah

Not my cuppa tea. looks like a pile of sh*t. ive gone right off american films.

_DAN_

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BlueSmoke

Sounds very complicated.

Stavros

And luckily the skill and complexity is what will keep the croozers away.

Getting a standard RWD car, stripping it out, and welding the diff, aint complex, and thats all you need to learn the basics.

RichardPON

I never said about the speed of the wheel return, but I always though the weight and the wheel self centering mech were dtermined by the weight of the vehicle and the toe settings.......

BlueSmoke

MWF

As far as I'm aware Castor has always been the critical geometery setting with drifting but I may be wrong.

RichardPON

I stand corrected if it is mate - maybe I just assumed wrong because of toe being critical to wheel self centering for normal setup....

Mike Rainbird

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Rich,
Toe-in (on the rear) doesn't self centre the STEERING wheel, it self centres the CAR if it gets out of shape .

RichardPON

Who was talking about the rear Michael?

COMEDY DAN

I had a Senator 24v once, it was very rowdy for an old boner.......

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

All toe does on the front is either give more (in) or less (out) straight line stability. Toe-out also gives better turn in, as the inner wheel will be turning on a tighter radius.

If you want to create a monster oversteer car, you can set the rears to toe-out and this will promote sliding.

It's the CASTER that effects the self centering effect of the steering wheel .

Bullett

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well the nova brigade will ignore every word you all say.then they will be heading down the road toward us with them fishtailing out of control due to the free macdonalds trays they nicked!!!! give it 6mths and they will get bored again.
will watch the film though for a laugh.

Stavros

We all just got back from out office jolly to the pictures...

When I was watching it I liked it, but I wasnt wowed, but soon as I left, I wanted to go watch it again, lol.

Mostly realistic (for a FILM), dont think it makes drifting look easy at all, hard as fuck actually, and made it look like you need practice practice practice, and even then you will fuck up loads :thumbs:

Mostly real stuff with regard to drifting, only thing that looks stupid is the drifting the carpark upramp thing we all seen, rest is spot on really.

Actually a fair storyline. Only person in the whole film that got on my nerves was the nobhead in the Viper at the start, everyone else is pretty good and likeable, even the main guy and lil bowwow.
Some bits are pretty funny too.

Only noticed one real fuckup in regard to the car spec etc was when they go back to the wreck of the S15 you can see a standard wing mounted cooler in the wreckage, of an RB26 converted car...

All the cars had the correct sounding engines too, so geeks like me that can tell and RX7 or RB26 engine from a mile away are well catered for.

LOADS of fanny, LOADS of it, esp if you into oriental pieces like me, lol, that kept me entertained from start to end, and frankly im a bit horny now so deffo out on the piss tonight

Will deffo make drifting big big big, the first thing Matt (our new designer) said to me was "Fuck, I want to learn to drift" and hasnt shut up since, and hes never mentioned it before.

Overall, twas decent entertainment, and seems to make anyone who sees it want to get in to it. Think it can only be a good thing.

Amen

_DAN_

Nice review mate I would like to see purely as a entertainment thing.

Not as a drifting documentry

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

Ohhhhhhhhh noooooooooooo - I remember the amount of NOS enquiries I got after the first film .

Porkie

iTrader: (1)

Great review Steve

Who needs Wossy when we have Stavwoss

BlueSmoke

STAVWOSS!!!

Porkie that's legendary

I really wanna see this as I'm a massive fan of the first movie, fuck what anyone else thinks of that

Agree the second was wank tho. Still bitter they never followed up the first film the way they had originally planned by reuniting vin diesel and paul walker so we could see what happened next.

Gutted also that this means that as a person who already wanted to learn to drift, I'll end up paying more for drift days as a result of this movie

The big question Stavwoss:

Did they make the right move using a fresh cast and a fresh story?

Stavros

Bingo

BUT you DONT want toe out on the rear of a proper drift car, will be a twitchy uncontrolable piece of shit.
Most run zero toe on the rear.
Only one or two proper D1 cars run any toe out at all, and they running 2way diffs and 265wide tyres, so not such an issue.

Nobody mentions NOS on this film.
Only one car has Nitrous, and uses it just once, and its not mentioned, just can see him turning it on as he goes down the Wangan.

The thing you on about how they didnt follow up the first film, well you might like the end of this one then, and on the same note, not a TOTALLY fresh cast

And yes, totally the right move, now its more like a years worth of exciting action in Japan condensed into one film, wheras the other films were just far fetched wierdness.

I prefer these characters too, LilBowWow is good at his part, as are the Jap guys, and the main guy, who is like a Southern Missisippi type country American who sounds like Bubba Sparxx is pretty good, and funny too, its only a film but I was kinda rooting for him right from the start
(Oh, the guy sitting on the docks fishing while hes learning to drift is Keiichi Tsuchiya, the bloke who turned drifting into what it is today, kind of the "original" drifter, and starred in the first EVER drift video, back in 1977 )

They cleverly DONT mention the timescale the film runs in too, as if you take it how it seems, it seems unrealistic all that happened, but they NEVER say that the next scene is the next day, its just as likely to be a month later or more, so it makes a lot more sence.

Like said, its just entertainment, but there owt in the film id complain about, its a film

(It does have "saved by the bell" style 17year olds, ie mid/late 20s But hey, the actual age the people are meant to be I totally forgot about, esp as any school scenes I was just checking out the sluts in their tiny skirts Just like on Saved by the Bell all those years ago TBH )

Greg Shepherd

I.m of to see it at 9.30 tonight

boXXer

seems like it could be worth going to watch, might go tonight

Daviet

not that fussed about the film tbh will probably watch it on dvd wen it comes out.
also im a chav drifter deffo need to get to a practice day in the car as practicing with curbs etc around can be a bit dangerous and expensive.
i reckon tho everyone starts with power over as its a way of getting used to quick you need to be on the steering.then its just a case of growing bigger balls lol.

Keith B

I heard that both Paul Walker and Vin Diesel turn up at the end? IS that right?

Stavros

I was glad I watched it at the cinema TBH as its one of them where its all action and laydees rather than story, so a big screen n awesome sound deffo makes it better.

But if you liked the 1st one youl love this, as its same sort of thing, but bit better IMO.

Not quite But not far off.

aduz

mr muscles has already agreed to do the fourth one

and another good film to see is the animated "cars" its funny as fook and schumachers role is mr ferrari

Benni

So you can only drift in a RWD car?

Urban Legend

jus watched it!! wanna go again!!! forget the plot, it was never really about that was it?? the cars are the real stars and the driving was MENTAL

huge thumbs up