xr2fatturbo

I need some advice on car dealers regarding log books.

I went a renault dealer to have a look at a clio 172 cup on a 53 plate When i got there the car was not as mint as i was expecting! so i basicly told the salesman he can keep the car, and i drove home at this point i was very p!ssed off i had drove a 4hr round trip to see it

The tyres were slicks with no tread the brakes were completely shot!! and to top it all off he said it had just sailed through an mot!!

anyway yesterday i got the full logbook through the door!! for the clio cup

I thought i would have had to fill out my details on the old logbook and sign it for me to get a new logbook in my name!??

am i right in saying they have forged my signature??? and what can i do about it?? personally i want to sue there arses for f%cking me about!!!

Oranoco

You've got a log book for a car mate I would go and ask where the car is that goes with it

Stoo

Defo! Do that!

Dan

Does sound dodgy as fuck though! Did you sign Anything At All?

xr2fatturbo

do you think you could get away with it

NO didnt sign a thing! my mate was there also as a witness

could i bribe them?? to keep my mouth shut??

Dan

Don't go bribing (sp) anyone mate if you plan on taking legal action against them ffs!

You at the moment are in the right with them in the wrong, two wrong's dan't make a right mate

I'd speak with a solicitor or someone in the know (properly, not down the local ) and see what sort of a case you have! HTH

Stavros

im dead confused here.

or maybe ive read it wrong.

why on earth would they put the logbook in your name?

xr2fatturbo

your just as confused as me mate!! i didnt even see the paperwork for the car!!

something don't add up but why forge my signature??? maybe the sales bloke was a bit hasty and thought he had a sure deal before i looked at the car!

Speedy Gonzalez

if the cars in your name then surely you have the right to go and claim it?

Dan

Exactly! But that's not right in itself and neither is forging signature's!

THEYGOTMETOO

Someone’s name on a V5 doesn't constitute ownership.

FLETCHGTI

well, basically now that car is yours mate, i would go into the garage and ask them politely that you have received the paperwork now wheres the car? And if they say they have made a terrible mistake then go to see your solicitor after that take the person name who admitted it or was looking into it, and say they must have forged your signature, as thats really not on!

sounds like well a dodgy garage

If it was me, i would photocopy document, get my mate and go to this garage, see what they have to say (defo take photocopy in garage unless solicitor needs original and garage demand original) After been to garage and got their feedback with your mate as witness, get ya behind to the solicitors and state the all round situation along with what they had just told you at the garage.

Reckon you got a new car mate

Graceland

The logbook is not proof of ownership, but proof of registration of a registered keeper.


Speak to a solicitor, as it takes upto 3 weeks for a logbook to be returned, and they will of had to of sent the old book off to the dvla long before you went to view the car, providing they had your address before hand.


Also, speak to the DVLA about the situation, as they take logbook fraud VERY seriously. - don't speak to your local office, speak direct to someone in Swansea - www.dvla.gov.uk for the contact numbers.

xr2fatturbo

Thanks for the replies

I just hope they haven't forged my signature on the finance docs aswell!!!

hope this ordeal gets sorted!

Graceland

you WILL need to speak to the police about this - it is serious fraud - go, do it now

Dan

Just keep an eye on your bank statements then!

I'd also speak to my local bank branch and ask them not to authorise any direct debit payments before speaking to you first!

Graceland

Also now you mention finance papers, they obviously have your bank details, I feel there is something more to the story you have told us

xr2fatturbo

honestly i went to see the car i wasn't happy with it but they obviously had my details to apply for finance etc

i saw the car and said no thanks then i went home didnt sign a thing!! infact i didn't even see the logbook or parerwork for the clio it never got that far.

EIL132

How did they get your details?

xr2fatturbo

you have to give them your details so they can arrange finance etc

jr

an another matter surely the dealer is lying, as surely if its on a 53 plate, it wont even be due an MOT

Alvyn

iTrader: (1)

you can get a car mot 3mths b4 it's due m8 iirc

xr2fatturbo

The police are now involved! and investigating. They said its very strange a main dealer would do such a thin but they expected me to say it was some back street garage.

Trouble is im liable to fines through the dvla! if the car is sold in the mean time and it decides to go through speed cameras etc etc

Graceland

So what did the police say when you contaced them then?

TIFF

Do you mean you ARE liable for the fines...............As if its in your name you would be..

Send the log book off as scrap ...Garage would be pissed off then

Graceland

Fooking TOP idea Mark - that would really piss on their bonfire

JoeE30

Still dont get how they had your details i.e for finance.

If you went to look at a car didnt like it and walked away why did you sit down and give them finance details....

Fishy

Dan

Deffo!

Dan

Joe, think it was one of these things where you say 'If its as good as you say it is i'll have it' jobs...

So he probs gave them his details over the phone before going to view it so he could drive it away

The Rapid 1

Dont see why they got your details at some time b4 you went to look at car

What they do, when you rung them up and said "I'd like to come look at a car", what they say only if you give us all your details

Sorry really dont understand how they got your details.

BUT

Either way am sure you get a 14 day cooling off period on signing loans/finance paperwork, so if this is all legit on your half, then I would suggest you do some sorta search and find out if anything been signed recently and get it cancelled before time runs out, where you would probably still be liable


Steve

JxBabe

Maybe he didn't want to do the four hour drive to see the car until he knew whether he would be able to get finance or not, so gave them his details before making the trip...

The Rapid 1

Hmm well pretty sure 99.9% of the population wouldnt without seeing the car first, and TBH if that was the case that he didnt know if his credit was that good, why go looking at cars on credit

Steve

JoeE30

Exactly my point....

Never give my details over the blower or even to anyone if i wasnt 100% sure i was taking the car away with me......

The Rapid 1

Like I say the finance side would be my worry

But must have given them summit for them to know your address

Unless they clocked your reg number as you drove off and traced it

Did you drive there in your own car ??

Paddy

Sounds like the guy gave his details over the phone before he viewed the car for a finance proposal. That way he'd have an answer after the 4 hour trip he mentioned, rather than having to wait while the finance company went through his details.

Also, sounds like whoever filled in the V5 may be looking for a new job


Let's clear this common misconception up:


THERE IS NO LEGAL "COOLING OFF" PERIOD WHEN FINANCE/HP/LOAN AGREEMENTS ARE SIGNED ON TRADE PREMISES.

The Rapid 1

Thats a bit rough then as you get them with most other credit agreements

What makes the financers the motor trade use that different to any others

Thats what happens when im sure of summit


Steve

Paddy

Not going to argue about it on the internet mate, it's written here in black and white on Office of Fair Trading website:

http://www.oft.gov.uk/Business/Legal...agreements.htm

Cooling off periods are for stuff like door to door sales where the consumer hasn't actively seeked out to purchase anything

Either way, this guy says he didn't sign anything so he's in the right it would seem

Paddy

Nothing at all

Except most of the time they're more expensive

Iain Mac

The cooling off period ONLY applies when you sign away from trade premises - the goods being financed have no bearing on it at all. It was introduced to stop door-to-door sellers applying undue pressure. (Watchdog etc used to be full of stories about the double-glazing salesman still in your front room at 2am after 6 hours of pushing for a signature)

If you go into the shop/garage/office to sign, it is deemed that you thought about the purchase beforehand, and can get up and leave if you change your mind once in there. Once the Agreement is signed, it's a done deal.

The Rapid 1

Oh ok Ye I now see why

Does make sense

And spose most of the agreements I have signed have been sorted over phone etc (loans etc) so that why I always get told about cooling off

Anyway back to this topic, how did trader get his info


Steve

PS Paddy soz m8 wernt looking for a row lol just didnt understand, but that been changed now and will just be more carefull in future as to what and WHERE I sign