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Originally Posted by Oranoco
In one breath the M3 is a complete legend and unbeatable by any poxy XR and then you say it couldn't pull you out of bed Make your mind up fella.
http://media.putfile.com/saxo_vs_m3
http://media.putfile.com/saxo_vs_m3
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Originally Posted by bretts3dr
i no this is a fod web- site
but if someone offered you an 20k m3 or a £300 xr2 you would take the xr2 ye
eeerrrrrrrrrrr i must be strange then lol
but if someone offered you an 20k m3 or a £300 xr2 you would take the xr2 ye
eeerrrrrrrrrrr i must be strange then lol
if i was one or the other i'd take the bmw, then sell it. but if i was offered an m3 or an immaculate (as new) standard xr2 and was told i had to keep it and live with it and couldnt sell it, i'd take the fiesta.
nope, your not the strange one
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Originally Posted by bretts3dr
m8 if you think you can keep up with an m3 in a 115bhp fiesta you gotta stop taking drugs i've got an e36 m3 as well as my 395bhp cossie and although the cossie wipes the floor with there arent many cars that will stay with it, unless they are heavily modified, especially at high speeds just ask my m8 who's got a wr1 scooby and he was doing 160mph the other week and i came past him
Originally Posted by xr-Stu
Originally Posted by Mr Brannen
I would happily race you for log books on that one fella, even though my car is probably worth about 6 times what yours is, dont dare put XR`s in the same bracket as M3 `s, fuck me it is getting better one here every week, last week with the RST v M3 was bad enough but an XR this week fook off
im not fucking stupid i know in a straight line drag it wouldve left me, i just meant that i was suprised he didnt leave me for dust and that i managed to keep with it as i did through the roundabout and the short straights.
mr brannen, you can take the piss out of my shonky old fiesta all you want but im serious about racing you if youre so sure of your car, perhaps not for 'slips' as we dont live in the world of fast and the furious (although youd think it sometimes) but im deadly serious about having a go if you are.
just for fun, lets have a look at the maths.
M3 = 280bhp/1500kg = 186bhp@flywheel/ton
xr2 (1.8 zetec + 100bhp of nitrous) = 200bhp(minimum)/800kgs(maximum) = 250bhp@flywheel/ton
and the figures ive quoted for mine are swayed well towards the pesimistic side. it weighed 840kgs in full road trim before i stripped it and produces 120-130bhp off gas, been told itll make more than the 100bhp itll be jetted for on the gas aswell....so should be closer to 300bhp@flywheel/ton in reality.
like i said, im upfor it if you are. infact, im well upfor racing for 'slips' after doing that maths aswell.
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this thread is just getting laughable now
Only people who hate M3's are the people who don't respect the whole car as a package, out of the box un-modified and total value for money when a few years old. As for saxo's and XR2's lashing them, well tough shite, who cares as its not all about straight line point and shoot, its about the enjoyment of the drive and you cant even compare driving an E46 M3 to a stripped out bean tin XR2 or a torque steering supercharged chav mobile like that saxo
Only people who hate M3's are the people who don't respect the whole car as a package, out of the box un-modified and total value for money when a few years old. As for saxo's and XR2's lashing them, well tough shite, who cares as its not all about straight line point and shoot, its about the enjoyment of the drive and you cant even compare driving an E46 M3 to a stripped out bean tin XR2 or a torque steering supercharged chav mobile like that saxo
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Originally Posted by xr-Stu
just after i first bought my xr2, it was running about 110bhp, was ploding at about 65 on the M4 and a load of chavs in a mk5 xr3i came past and sat next to me looking at the car, i looked over and they all waved and started pulling off, so i took chase, flashed them at about 100...my mum waved at them as we cruised past
mk2 xr2 + headwork, cam and carb = £700
full tank of fuel = £40
look on their faces as my mum waves 'bye bye' at 110+mph = priceless
also, the the E36 M3s arnt that quick either, in the xr2 with that spec ^^ plus a blue printed 1640 bottom end, i managed to juuuust hang onto one on a section dual carrageway in weston with a roundabout in the middle, which considering the xr2 cant have been running much over 115bhp at the time, with full road trim..... wasnt that quick.
mk2 xr2 + headwork, cam and carb = £700
full tank of fuel = £40
look on their faces as my mum waves 'bye bye' at 110+mph = priceless
also, the the E36 M3s arnt that quick either, in the xr2 with that spec ^^ plus a blue printed 1640 bottom end, i managed to juuuust hang onto one on a section dual carrageway in weston with a roundabout in the middle, which considering the xr2 cant have been running much over 115bhp at the time, with full road trim..... wasnt that quick.
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Originally Posted by xr-Stu
Originally Posted by bretts3dr
m8 if you think you can keep up with an m3 in a 115bhp fiesta you gotta stop taking drugs i've got an e36 m3 as well as my 395bhp cossie and although the cossie wipes the floor with there arent many cars that will stay with it, unless they are heavily modified, especially at high speeds just ask my m8 who's got a wr1 scooby and he was doing 160mph the other week and i came past him
Originally Posted by xr-Stu
Originally Posted by Mr Brannen
I would happily race you for log books on that one fella, even though my car is probably worth about 6 times what yours is, dont dare put XR`s in the same bracket as M3 `s, fuck me it is getting better one here every week, last week with the RST v M3 was bad enough but an XR this week fook off
im not fucking stupid i know in a straight line drag it wouldve left me, i just meant that i was suprised he didnt leave me for dust and that i managed to keep with it as i did through the roundabout and the short straights.
mr brannen, you can take the piss out of my shonky old fiesta all you want but im serious about racing you if youre so sure of your car, perhaps not for 'slips' as we dont live in the world of fast and the furious (although youd think it sometimes) but im deadly serious about having a go if you are.
just for fun, lets have a look at the maths.
M3 = 280bhp/1500kg = 186bhp@flywheel/ton
xr2 (1.8 zetec + 100bhp of nitrous) = 200bhp(minimum)/800kgs(maximum) = 250bhp@flywheel/ton
and the figures ive quoted for mine are swayed well towards the pesimistic side. it weighed 840kgs in full road trim before i stripped it and produces 120-130bhp off gas, been told itll make more than the 100bhp itll be jetted for on the gas aswell....so should be closer to 300bhp@flywheel/ton in reality.
like i said, im upfor it if you are. infact, im well upfor racing for 'slips' after doing that maths aswell.
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
LOL at the M3 owners . I didn't realise E46 M3s were THAT slow . My stage 1 Sapphire used to do 13.4s quarters - thats with me driving, not some professional driver told to give it everything to get a manufacturer's time .
E46 weight:
1549kg - Power 338bhp - power to weight = 218bhp per tonne. Torque: 269lb ft - torque to weight = 173lb ft per tonne.
Stage 1 2wd Cossie
1250kg - Power 270bhp - power to weight = 216bhp per tonne. Torque: 260ish - torque to weight = 208lb ft per tonne.
A stage 1 is equal in everything but kudos .
Given that a FRS is equal in weight and power if blue-finned to the above, I rest my case and have no problem believing plynch .
E46 weight:
1549kg - Power 338bhp - power to weight = 218bhp per tonne. Torque: 269lb ft - torque to weight = 173lb ft per tonne.
Stage 1 2wd Cossie
1250kg - Power 270bhp - power to weight = 216bhp per tonne. Torque: 260ish - torque to weight = 208lb ft per tonne.
A stage 1 is equal in everything but kudos .
Given that a FRS is equal in weight and power if blue-finned to the above, I rest my case and have no problem believing plynch .
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It would be good if all this macho, my dicks bigger than yours talk was channelled into getting a decent Ford team to TOTB instead of making all these mainly bullshit claims. If you have a really fast car you cant race on the road END OF, so by all this nonsence you proving just how slow your motors are, best stop now.
Have done many miles in a E30 M3EVO & its not that fast, but in all other departments it leaves any RS Ford groveling in its brilliance. Drive one & then all you TONKA toy drivers may get the picture.
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Have done many miles in a E30 M3EVO & its not that fast, but in all other departments it leaves any RS Ford groveling in its brilliance. Drive one & then all you TONKA toy drivers may get the picture.
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Originally Posted by xr-Stu
Originally Posted by bretts3dr
m8 if you think you can keep up with an m3 in a 115bhp fiesta you gotta stop taking drugs i've got an e36 m3 as well as my 395bhp cossie and although the cossie wipes the floor with there arent many cars that will stay with it, unless they are heavily modified, especially at high speeds just ask my m8 who's got a wr1 scooby and he was doing 160mph the other week and i came past him
Originally Posted by xr-Stu
Originally Posted by Mr Brannen
I would happily race you for log books on that one fella, even though my car is probably worth about 6 times what yours is, dont dare put XR`s in the same bracket as M3 `s, fuck me it is getting better one here every week, last week with the RST v M3 was bad enough but an XR this week fook off
im not fucking stupid i know in a straight line drag it wouldve left me, i just meant that i was suprised he didnt leave me for dust and that i managed to keep with it as i did through the roundabout and the short straights.
mr brannen, you can take the piss out of my shonky old fiesta all you want but im serious about racing you if youre so sure of your car, perhaps not for 'slips' as we dont live in the world of fast and the furious (although youd think it sometimes) but im deadly serious about having a go if you are.
just for fun, lets have a look at the maths.
M3 = 280bhp/1500kg = 186bhp@flywheel/ton
xr2 (1.8 zetec + 100bhp of nitrous) = 200bhp(minimum)/800kgs(maximum) = 250bhp@flywheel/ton
and the figures ive quoted for mine are swayed well towards the pesimistic side. it weighed 840kgs in full road trim before i stripped it and produces 120-130bhp off gas, been told itll make more than the 100bhp itll be jetted for on the gas aswell....so should be closer to 300bhp@flywheel/ton in reality.
like i said, im upfor it if you are. infact, im well upfor racing for 'slips' after doing that maths aswell.
Oops looks like you contradicted yaself there son , well is it 115bhp or 120-130, make ya mind up kidda .
Also I have just seen this and laughed, where you said you past him and your MAM waved at him as you went past , you sad cunt , going around with your old bess in the passenger seat racing folk.
Do me a favour mate and fuck of and stop leaving comments begging me to reply.
On a final note my M3 is getting chipped shortly if that counts, I mean surely that spells more power, more torque and a higher top end , Christ at this rate I might even have enough to beat a mighty XR2
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Originally Posted by tonyk
Oh Christ What happens when the car runs out of NOS then? How long would a 100 shot last if an 11lb bottle was used?
So 2 mins of full throttle roughly.
Be a really interesting race to see between the M3 and Stu's XR-two, i think people have taken him WAY out of context on this thread though, he isnt under any delusions about his car.
For comparison purposes, i used the same nitrous kit (literally the same one, its one of my old ones we are using on his car) on a 2.0 16v nova in limphome mode in full race trim on my nova at the pod:
http://nitrous-direct.co.uk/misc/chip13-3.mpg
Thats a rather "M3 beating" time of 13.3@109.8mph on that video.
That was with a slipping clutch though and as i said, engine was losing a bit of power as it was in limphome mode at the time.
Those people dismissing the potential of nitrous'd hatches probably havent ever tried one?
Stu wouldnt claim is "as much of a car" as an M3, but claiming its in the same ballpark up the quarter is fair game.
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DOnt get me wrong, I see where he is coming from but I think a car should only be quoted on its power without NOS. Stu better hope for less than 2 minute race then
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Originally Posted by tonyk
DOnt get me wrong, I see where he is coming from but I think a car should only be quoted on its power without NOS. Stu better hope for less than 2 minute race then
I cant think of many places you would race and it would involve more than 2 mins of full throttle, im not even sure a lap of the ring involves much more than that, lol.
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I think turbo and supercharging is fine as these will always work. To better explain myself, a 300bhp car with turbo will always be a 300bhp a 250bhp car with a 50shot of Nitrous will only be approx a 300bhp car for 2 minutes etc.., so I think it should be classed as 250bhp+ nitrous.
Im not knocking the performance gains it gives or anything, but do you see what I mean. As you said 1 lap of the Ring aint gonna use full throttle for 2 minutes but 3 laps would exhaust it and suddenly its only 120bhp(using stus car as example)
Im not knocking the performance gains it gives or anything, but do you see what I mean. As you said 1 lap of the Ring aint gonna use full throttle for 2 minutes but 3 laps would exhaust it and suddenly its only 120bhp(using stus car as example)
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I dont think anyone using nitrous would say otherwise, but nitrous is very much like petrol, if you are having a race, you make sure you have enough on board for the duration of the race.
Stu's car is only half a horsepower even with his 6'9" frame pushing it with no petrol, but that doesnt mean i think he should quote an "off petrol" figure.
Sorry if that sounds like im taking the piss, but first rule of racing is to have the needed amount of fuel/clutch lining/tyre tread/nitrous/etc that you need to finnish the race.
Stu's car is only half a horsepower even with his 6'9" frame pushing it with no petrol, but that doesnt mean i think he should quote an "off petrol" figure.
Sorry if that sounds like im taking the piss, but first rule of racing is to have the needed amount of fuel/clutch lining/tyre tread/nitrous/etc that you need to finnish the race.
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Originally Posted by tonyk
Chip I mean in general, if the car is used more on the road than track. If its only used on the road then my point is very valid.
I dont really see how?
When i used to have that red nova for example, i used to have a bottle in the car all the time anyway, so if i wanted to race something, i had the gas there ready, then if i used any i topped it up when i got home again.
Surely thats what anyone with nitrous does pretty much?
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Originally Posted by bretts3dr
how come the race conditions have to be the best situation for the xr2?
why could'nt it be say over a mile lol
and a standard m3 will do a 13.6 quarter mile
why could'nt it be say over a mile lol
and a standard m3 will do a 13.6 quarter mile
Im not sure that the mile long race would be the advantage that you think it is.
Robs astra for example, is only a second quicker up the quarter than an M3, but over a mile would completely murder one.
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Originally Posted by Mr Brannen
Originally Posted by Oranoco
In one breath the M3 is a complete legend and unbeatable by any poxy XR and then you say it couldn't pull you out of bed Make your mind up fella.
http://media.putfile.com/saxo_vs_m3
http://media.putfile.com/saxo_vs_m3
Two different cars Oranoco you twat, u know what I meant , I think youre just trying to provoke peoples reactions now so fook of
I still have the same stance on this as I did when it started, I can understand the Focus RS and where Plynchy is coming from, but RST and XR2`s can just piss off cause they are simply not quick enough .
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but then there would be an m3 thats had as much money as yours spent
on it and it would at you as it went by
and you ppl are all comparing a highly tuned rst ,xr2 ect
against a standard m3 but if it has had say 5k-10k spent on it then wot?
a low boost super charger thats bolted on an m3 will give it nearly 100bhp
extra and they only cost 3k????????
on it and it would at you as it went by
and you ppl are all comparing a highly tuned rst ,xr2 ect
against a standard m3 but if it has had say 5k-10k spent on it then wot?
a low boost super charger thats bolted on an m3 will give it nearly 100bhp
extra and they only cost 3k????????
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Originally Posted by bretts3dr
but then there would be an m3 thats had as much money as yours spent
on it and it would at you as it went by
and you ppl are all comparing a highly tuned rst ,xr2 ect
against a standard m3 but if it has had say 5k-10k spent on it then wot?
a low boost super charger thats bolted on an m3 will give it nearly 100bhp
extra and they only cost 3k????????
on it and it would at you as it went by
and you ppl are all comparing a highly tuned rst ,xr2 ect
against a standard m3 but if it has had say 5k-10k spent on it then wot?
a low boost super charger thats bolted on an m3 will give it nearly 100bhp
extra and they only cost 3k????????
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Originally Posted by bretts3dr
but then there would be an m3 thats had as much money as yours spent
on it and it would at you as it went by
and you ppl are all comparing a highly tuned rst ,xr2 ect
against a standard m3 but if it has had say 5k-10k spent on it then wot?
a low boost super charger thats bolted on an m3 will give it nearly 100bhp
extra and they only cost 3k????????
on it and it would at you as it went by
and you ppl are all comparing a highly tuned rst ,xr2 ect
against a standard m3 but if it has had say 5k-10k spent on it then wot?
a low boost super charger thats bolted on an m3 will give it nearly 100bhp
extra and they only cost 3k????????
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Originally Posted by petermintrst
Originally Posted by xr-Stu
mk2 xr2 + headwork, cam and carb
115bhp at the time
115bhp at the time
Originally Posted by petermintrst
Originally Posted by xr-Stu
xr2 (1.8 zetec + 100bhp of nitrous) = 200bhp(minimum)/800kgs(maximum) = 250bhp@flywheel/ton
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Originally Posted by Mr Brannen
Oops looks like you contradicted yaself there son , well is it 115bhp or 120-130, make ya mind up kidda .
Originally Posted by Mr Brannen
Also I have just seen this and laughed, where you said you past him and your MAM waved at him as you went past , you sad cunt , going around with your old bess in the passenger seat racing folk.
Originally Posted by Mr Brannen
Do me a favour mate and fuck of and stop leaving comments begging me to reply.
On a final note my M3 is getting chipped shortly if that counts, I mean surely that spells more power, more torque and a higher top end , Christ at this rate I might even have enough to beat a mighty XR2
On a final note my M3 is getting chipped shortly if that counts, I mean surely that spells more power, more torque and a higher top end , Christ at this rate I might even have enough to beat a mighty XR2
i think people need to go back and read through whats been said in this thread. all ive said about M3s is that i was suprised how not really that quick the one i raced was....ive never said anything about them not being awesome cars, because thatd be silly, they are awesome cars. if the arguements changed from "my cars faster than your car" to "my cars better than your car" i might aswell leave now. if its still about which would be quicker in a straight line in racing conditions...
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It would be good if all this macho, my dicks bigger than yours talk was channelled into getting a decent Ford team to TOTB instead of making all these mainly bullshit claims.
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i dont really see the need to slag off other peoples cars yeah xr2's are old, most are rusty and theyre cheap, but thats exactly the point of them.....a fun fast car that costs very little to build and is such a laugh when youre keeping up with supposedly far superior cars.
Thats the whole idea of being a car enthusiast to me, having a clean looking, fun fast car.....not a status symbol.
if an e36 m3 is your status symbol its not much to shout about on the scale of things, its taken over where the saph cosworth left off as the chosen marque of bouncers/doormen now the price has come down.
No denying though theyre awesome cars and i think they look class.
I had a mate that had a 911 Carrera 4 i think it was, that was summat to brag about.
I also know for a fact that an m3 is faster than my xr2, i was behind one the other night and then quickly got a lot further behind it but he gave a thumbs up at the end of the road not a look down his nose, Respect.
Thats the whole idea of being a car enthusiast to me, having a clean looking, fun fast car.....not a status symbol.
if an e36 m3 is your status symbol its not much to shout about on the scale of things, its taken over where the saph cosworth left off as the chosen marque of bouncers/doormen now the price has come down.
No denying though theyre awesome cars and i think they look class.
I had a mate that had a 911 Carrera 4 i think it was, that was summat to brag about.
I also know for a fact that an m3 is faster than my xr2, i was behind one the other night and then quickly got a lot further behind it but he gave a thumbs up at the end of the road not a look down his nose, Respect.
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Originally Posted by Mr Brannen
Originally Posted by Oranoco
In one breath the M3 is a complete legend and unbeatable by any poxy XR and then you say it couldn't pull you out of bed Make your mind up fella.
http://media.putfile.com/saxo_vs_m3
http://media.putfile.com/saxo_vs_m3
Two different cars Oranoco you twat, u know what I meant , I think youre just trying to provoke peoples reactions now so fook of
I still have the same stance on this as I did when it started, I can understand the Focus RS and where Plynchy is coming from, but RST and XR2`s can just piss off cause they are simply not quick enough .
ive witnessed an RST keep up with then slowly pass an M3... race started bout 50mph... ended bout 120-130 on a carriageway...
rst was bout 250bhp with full trim...
M3's are a great car... full package etc... but shud not under estimate anycars... as wen u spend so much on a car like an M3 theres alot of pride at stake.
it was an E46... with the big diamond cut wheels etc
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Originally Posted by digita1dragon
Originally Posted by petermintrst
Originally Posted by xr-Stu
mk2 xr2 + headwork, cam and carb
115bhp at the time
115bhp at the time
Originally Posted by petermintrst
Originally Posted by xr-Stu
xr2 (1.8 zetec + 100bhp of nitrous) = 200bhp(minimum)/800kgs(maximum) = 250bhp@flywheel/ton
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fair do's that is mega quick, unless it was a 1.1 punto filming lol.
at end of day this is a ford site, so regardless or what is best the majority of people on here have opinions swaying towards ford being great.
i think my ford is great, love it to bits, but it isnt and never will be as quick as an m3 in the real world
at end of day this is a ford site, so regardless or what is best the majority of people on here have opinions swaying towards ford being great.
i think my ford is great, love it to bits, but it isnt and never will be as quick as an m3 in the real world