petermintrst

i'd prefer an xr2 personally

bretts3dr

i no this is a fod web- site
but if someone offered you an 20k m3 or a £300 xr2 you would take the xr2 ye
eeerrrrrrrrrrr i must be strange then lol

EIL132

I know that Saxo, supercharged. Does Crail a lot

petermintrst

a 300 quid xr2 would be a shed, i'd want a minty mint one.

if i was one or the other i'd take the bmw, then sell it. but if i was offered an m3 or an immaculate (as new) standard xr2 and was told i had to keep it and live with it and couldnt sell it, i'd take the fiesta.

nope, your not the strange one

bretts3dr

i give up

petermintrst

i give up quickly when trying to tell people they shouldnt have different opinions to me

bretts3dr

i can see that

xr-stu

for the 2nd time, i never said it was equal, or i was as fast as it. the only reason he didnt totally piss on me was because there was a roundabout and i obviously had more bollocks than him + xr2s with 1/2 decent suspension are like road going go-karts. what ive been saying is im suprised it didnt totally rinse me in spectacular fasion.

mr brannen, you can take the piss out of my shonky old fiesta all you want but im serious about racing you if youre so sure of your car, perhaps not for 'slips' as we dont live in the world of fast and the furious (although youd think it sometimes) but im deadly serious about having a go if you are.

just for fun, lets have a look at the maths.

M3 = 280bhp/1500kg = 186bhp@flywheel/ton

xr2 (1.8 zetec + 100bhp of nitrous) = 200bhp(minimum)/800kgs(maximum) = 250bhp@flywheel/ton

and the figures ive quoted for mine are swayed well towards the pesimistic side. it weighed 840kgs in full road trim before i stripped it and produces 120-130bhp off gas, been told itll make more than the 100bhp itll be jetted for on the gas aswell....so should be closer to 300bhp@flywheel/ton in reality.


like i said, im upfor it if you are. infact, im well upfor racing for 'slips' after doing that maths aswell.

ESCYSCOTT

iTrader: (1)

this thread is just getting laughable now

Only people who hate M3's are the people who don't respect the whole car as a package, out of the box un-modified and total value for money when a few years old. As for saxo's and XR2's lashing them, well tough shite, who cares as its not all about straight line point and shoot, its about the enjoyment of the drive and you cant even compare driving an E46 M3 to a stripped out bean tin XR2 or a torque steering supercharged chav mobile like that saxo

petermintrst

so here its running 115bhp.....

petermintrst

and here its running 120-130bhp without gas & 200bhp ish with gas.

_DAN_

Good way of doing things Mike

Just read this GIVE ME BACK MY TEN MINUTES!

Anonymous

It would be good if all this macho, my dicks bigger than yours talk was channelled into getting a decent Ford team to TOTB instead of making all these mainly bullshit claims. If you have a really fast car you cant race on the road END OF, so by all this nonsence you proving just how slow your motors are, best stop now.
Have done many miles in a E30 M3EVO & its not that fast, but in all other departments it leaves any RS Ford groveling in its brilliance. Drive one & then all you TONKA toy drivers may get the picture.
Rod

petermintrst

i know the limits of my rst. it excels in turning heads & being fun to drive!

Mr Brannen

Oops looks like you contradicted yaself there son , well is it 115bhp or 120-130, make ya mind up kidda .
Also I have just seen this and laughed, where you said you past him and your MAM waved at him as you went past , you sad cunt , going around with your old bess in the passenger seat racing folk.
Do me a favour mate and fuck of and stop leaving comments begging me to reply.
On a final note my M3 is getting chipped shortly if that counts, I mean surely that spells more power, more torque and a higher top end , Christ at this rate I might even have enough to beat a mighty XR2

tonyk

Oh Christ What happens when the car runs out of NOS then? How long would a 100 shot last if an 11lb bottle was used?

Anonymous

approx BSNC is about 1lb per min per 25bhp jetted amount

So 2 mins of full throttle roughly.



Be a really interesting race to see between the M3 and Stu's XR-two, i think people have taken him WAY out of context on this thread though, he isnt under any delusions about his car.

For comparison purposes, i used the same nitrous kit (literally the same one, its one of my old ones we are using on his car) on a 2.0 16v nova in limphome mode in full race trim on my nova at the pod:

http://nitrous-direct.co.uk/misc/chip13-3.mpg

Thats a rather "M3 beating" time of 13.3@109.8mph on that video.
That was with a slipping clutch though and as i said, engine was losing a bit of power as it was in limphome mode at the time.



Those people dismissing the potential of nitrous'd hatches probably havent ever tried one?


Stu wouldnt claim is "as much of a car" as an M3, but claiming its in the same ballpark up the quarter is fair game.

tonyk

DOnt get me wrong, I see where he is coming from but I think a car should only be quoted on its power without NOS. Stu better hope for less than 2 minute race then

Anonymous

Unforunately the timing gear at the pod isnt sophisticated enough to knock MPH off the terminal and add time onto the quarter to cancel out any power from NOS or Turbos or other forms of cheating, so it only really make sense to quote the total amount when you are talking about drag racing IMHO

I cant think of many places you would race and it would involve more than 2 mins of full throttle, im not even sure a lap of the ring involves much more than that, lol.

tonyk

I think turbo and supercharging is fine as these will always work. To better explain myself, a 300bhp car with turbo will always be a 300bhp a 250bhp car with a 50shot of Nitrous will only be approx a 300bhp car for 2 minutes etc.., so I think it should be classed as 250bhp+ nitrous.

Im not knocking the performance gains it gives or anything, but do you see what I mean. As you said 1 lap of the Ring aint gonna use full throttle for 2 minutes but 3 laps would exhaust it and suddenly its only 120bhp(using stus car as example)

Anonymous

I dont think anyone using nitrous would say otherwise, but nitrous is very much like petrol, if you are having a race, you make sure you have enough on board for the duration of the race.

Stu's car is only half a horsepower even with his 6'9" frame pushing it with no petrol, but that doesnt mean i think he should quote an "off petrol" figure.

Sorry if that sounds like im taking the piss, but first rule of racing is to have the needed amount of fuel/clutch lining/tyre tread/nitrous/etc that you need to finnish the race.

tonyk

Chip I mean in general, if the car is used more on the road than track. If its only used on the road then my point is very valid.

Anonymous

I dont really see how?

When i used to have that red nova for example, i used to have a bottle in the car all the time anyway, so if i wanted to race something, i had the gas there ready, then if i used any i topped it up when i got home again.

Surely thats what anyone with nitrous does pretty much?

Mr Brannen

https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...893994#2893994


Have a look at this Stuey

bretts3dr

how come the race conditions have to be the best situation for the xr2?
why could'nt it be say over a mile lol
and a standard m3 will do a 13.6 quarter mile

Anonymous

Im not sure that the mile long race would be the advantage that you think it is.

Robs astra for example, is only a second quicker up the quarter than an M3, but over a mile would completely murder one.

Oranoco

Right so now you accept the Focus RS could be a match for an M3, but RST's are so beneath you. BMW drivers like you are my fave as their faces in disbeleif when an old FWD EScort is snapping away at their heals. Keep thinking your happy thoughts mate one day you are quite likely to get the surprise of your life and I hope it's a rusty old Ford that gives it to you.

bretts3dr

but then there would be an m3 thats had as much money as yours spent
on it and it would at you as it went by
and you ppl are all comparing a highly tuned rst ,xr2 ect
against a standard m3 but if it has had say 5k-10k spent on it then wot?
a low boost super charger thats bolted on an m3 will give it nearly 100bhp
extra and they only cost 3k????????

Oranoco

The reason for many comparisons to the M3 is simply that the M3 is so damn quick. Nobody is saying the cars are anything less. It just seems that some owners seem to feel they are completely invincible because of their badge. I've raced stuff and one and lost on many occasions. I couldn't care what it is a quick car is a quick car and gets my respect regardless.

Anonymous

I dont think anyone in this thread would argue otherwise, its blatantly obvious that standard for standard or both with equivalent mods that the M3 would win.

digita1dragon

Just to make it easier for your reading and addition skills Ive grouped together and highlighted the relevent information

xr-stu

if youd actually read my replys through proper rather than skimming through trying to pick out somthign to through back at me, youd have read i said when i raced the M3 with 115bhp i was running a tuned 1.6 8v cvh, im now running a 1.8 16v zetec. get your glasses out next time old man.

at the time i was driving down to surrey to take my mum to visit my gran who was in hospital with cancer, pardon me for being a sad cunt

whens this gonna be? before the summer up ill be running a 2.0 zetec with headwork, throttle bodies and aftermarket management, should be making 170-180bhp quite easily, so if you wanna reschedule a race for when were both running more power, thats fine with me!

i think people need to go back and read through whats been said in this thread. all ive said about M3s is that i was suprised how not really that quick the one i raced was....ive never said anything about them not being awesome cars, because thatd be silly, they are awesome cars. if the arguements changed from "my cars faster than your car" to "my cars better than your car" i might aswell leave now. if its still about which would be quicker in a straight line in racing conditions...

rod, i would try and qualify for the team if i could get hold of a 2.0 bottom end and a decent paddle clutch intime for the event. i probably wouldnt stand a chance against the big power, big budget guys, but to be fair my car owes me about the same as some of you fellas engine management systems alone, so what can i expect?

XR-RS

i dont really see the need to slag off other peoples cars yeah xr2's are old, most are rusty and theyre cheap, but thats exactly the point of them.....a fun fast car that costs very little to build and is such a laugh when youre keeping up with supposedly far superior cars.

Thats the whole idea of being a car enthusiast to me, having a clean looking, fun fast car.....not a status symbol.

if an e36 m3 is your status symbol its not much to shout about on the scale of things, its taken over where the saph cosworth left off as the chosen marque of bouncers/doormen now the price has come down.

No denying though theyre awesome cars and i think they look class.

I had a mate that had a 911 Carrera 4 i think it was, that was summat to brag about.

I also know for a fact that an m3 is faster than my xr2, i was behind one the other night and then quickly got a lot further behind it but he gave a thumbs up at the end of the road not a look down his nose, Respect.

digita1dragon

Stu has overlooked the fact that you can put M3 kit on a normal E36 tho, keep quiet, its funny

XR-RS

you reckon the big ginger peter crouch was racing a 1.6 ?

now that would be funny

digita1dragon

SHHHHHHHHHHHH!

notSteveS2

ill b careful how i put his so as to not upset those who skip thru posts then talk shit...

ive witnessed an RST keep up with then slowly pass an M3... race started bout 50mph... ended bout 120-130 on a carriageway...

rst was bout 250bhp with full trim...

M3's are a great car... full package etc... but shud not under estimate anycars... as wen u spend so much on a car like an M3 theres alot of pride at stake.

it was an E46... with the big diamond cut wheels etc

petermintrst

apologies, i hope they are accepted

EIL132

Bollox, tuned Vs tuned. Thread over

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...80CD42E83E.htm

petermintrst

fair do's that is mega quick, unless it was a 1.1 punto filming lol.

at end of day this is a ford site, so regardless or what is best the majority of people on here have opinions swaying towards ford being great.

i think my ford is great, love it to bits, but it isnt and never will be as quick as an m3 in the real world