Carlsworth

ok, first off,...what power you had out your 1.6 c&b



ok
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anyone know the pro's and cons of escort turbo on 45's/......??


techincally, its actually an escort xr3, of a mates....

he has that, an old t3 that needs rebiulding, and a set of twin 45's....

so,...as above really,...

also,...anyone got an inlet manifold for the above



thanks
carl

mark_24v_wiring

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Well i have no idea what a twin 45 turbo would go like but it sounds interesting.

I have had a set of 40's on a 1.6cvh tho and apart from the ammount of fuel it used (lots ) It was quick tho

Dont know what it was about that setup but it only had 104bhp and 107ft/lbs but it would pull the revlimiter in 5th @ 6500rpm

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/catalog...ducts_id=10641

There is a link for a manifold dont recall it being that much but then i did do mine about 8 years ago lol

Carlsworth

cheers bud,.....


anyone else have any info.....



carl

-beefy-

iTrader: (6)

i didnt think 45s would be able to fuel enough on big boost mate ??

hence the whole idea why weve go injection ??

still im probably wrong ??

shane

if renault 5 turbos are anything to go by,turbo's and carbs are a shite combination! i think injection is needed for big power!

Jim Galbally

it wont work, end of discussion and even if it did, it would likely bring worse power than a normal injection setup

Stavros

Nice to see people talking rubbish again

Twin 45s and carbs WILL work, and work well, even with big power, if set up right.

Need the carbs modded to take boost though.

Karl has that 205 turbo on twin 45s, old Lotus Esprit Turbos ran twin carbs FFS.

There turbo cars in the USA running 8sec quarters and pushing 1000bhp using a single carb for the fueling.

No massive (any?) advantage over the normal RST injection tho, esp if only running normalish power.

Garage19

Yo are wrong Jim, it will work. See old lotus Espirit turbo. Blow through twin 45 delortos.

However, i have turbocharged stuff through carbs before and they are a pig to setup.

The answer is it will work... but why bother when an injection setup is soooo much better.

Jim Galbally

oh look someone mentioned the magic words, blow through

you cant expect to slap a turbo on an XR3 on twin 40s and expect it to fuel on boost

Jim Galbally

or for that matter not blow up within 5 minutes on a shonky XR3 engine

Carlsworth

he says with his shonky xr4 engine,...


lmao,....ok,.....imagine this,....

jim: hi matey what you up to,...
other cave dweller: well,....i want to make a circle type object so its easier for me to move dinosaurs into my cave when i slay them......and call it the wheel,...
jim: your fucking jokin right,...that wont work,..
other cave dweller: oh fuck off jim you tit,....

monkey

thank fuck no one listne s to people that say it wont work end of,...



glad you ve jumped on this post,.....worth reading what you put,..unlike others


although,,,,,,..mate who s doing it, isnt looking for big power, just reasonable power,....
as i said before,.....jim,.... he has the 45's and an rsturbo manifold, and a turbo....has aquired them over time, never relly thinking hed use them,...but has now bought an xr3, he thinks they re cool,... .......and was WONDERING wether it would be feasible,...

hes a great engineer, so fabricating anything aint a problem, but was wanting to know,...(as he has most of the parts) if its gonna be worth messing with.....



oh, .....jim,....you sound like a clicky cossie driver,.......which is sooooo not you in your 24v "cosworth".....

M K

iTrader: (9)

AFPMSL


funniest thing ive heard in ages

dannyblackpool

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

if you put a turbo on the std xr3 enginewith the carbs and turn the boost up expect something to go bang very quick

if you are going to do it properly i.e low comp, head work etc it will work fine as long as set up correctly

but if its the first idea then good luck

if i was going down that route id go throttle bodies instaed of carbs and get myself a rs urbo bottom end

Rs1

iTrader: (1)

The 45's in question won't take boost at all unless mod'd to do so. You could run them on the intake side of the turbo like some old skool beetles though,but again it a bit pointless imo,inj is cheap enough and radily available so why not use it?

DanRSturbo

Or, save the time and hassle and buy an RS Turbo in the first place.

Carlsworth

thats the one




read the whole post rather than just posting...


as should you,.....





i do appreciate peoples input,...especially when its something worth considering,...

but for everyone who cant be arsed to read the original post.....
he has most of the parts lying around, and wanted to put them to use....

sooo,....also, for the above question,....

he bought the xr3, because he prefers the looks over the rst,...i know,....he mental,..but each to their own,....however,...after being blasted from traffic lights by standard people carriers...lmao,.....he wants a power upgrade, and this is by far the cheapest way.....head work etc, will all be done by ROAD AND RALLY'S FAMOUS MALLY,......they good mates, so discout rate...

Rs1

iTrader: (1)

What parts would those be exactly?
A t3 thats need rebuilding? Well thats about as much use a choclate teapot.
A set of 45's? That will pressurise the float chambers and/or lift all the fuel and dump it into the engine at an unmeasurable rate.
Sounds like your onto a winner.

sm

if u want a carbed turbo why not look around for a original xr3 turbo technics kit, turbo technics made them back in the early 80's for the race xr3's there was a guy on rsoc who had one on his rs16i a few years ago

cheers kev

Jim Galbally

ok i cannot be bothered to go into detail at all, but i'm right just me

the modifications and costs involved are NOT worth it, especially when parts cna be picked up for PENNIES which will do it properly.


if you expect to bolt any of this onto your engine and have it work with little work, it WONT, everyithng witll need extensive modification, and the end resul will be SHIT.

as for power increases on an XR3i, do you know HOW CHEAP it is to put an RST engine in? its cheaper to drop the turbo motor in (which is good for like 200hp with littlemoney) for less thanit will cost to get the XR3i serviced

Jim Galbally

ps i had a tuned XR3i and i looked very seriously into turbocharging it, so im not guessing, i actually know

Carlsworth

rs1

t3 that can and will be rebuilt.....we're in the know,.....


sm,... cheers bud,..thanks for the USEFUL....(look jim) input....


jim your still gay,...and blind i think,....this isnt an xr3i,...its an xr3...

hence got all the wiring probs going to fuel injection,..

although.....i do appreciate your indirectly helpful input,....
this is the whole reason of this post....to find out if its worth doing,...

trevCOSS

iTrader: (6)

Not sure what this post is suppose to mean, there are pleanty of 5 turbos that produce power on par with rst etc and still run there carbs. I know my old R5 was pushing a good 190bhp and there where R5's around then with 300bhp not in touch with what they are producing now adays but I assure you they work fine.

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

as mentioned but i do agree with jim

i would go injection as it can be fine tuned better than a set of carbs which need setting up every so often

easiest solution even being a xr3 carb model is

rs turbo engine running efi not mechanical injection

you can pick up a rst engine cheap, get an adaptor plate for a frst inlet and put the frst management on

obvioulsy you will have to change fuel tank to injection

but would be so much more reliable and cheaper

Jim Galbally

remove engine from RST

put engine in XR3

job done

cheaper than the cost of gettin ghr carbs converted (THE CHEAPEST BIT OF TUEBOING THE xr3)

ps if you want to turbo the XR3 you'll want to remove the engine, and rebuild it to the same spec as the RST engine anyway

mark_24v_wiring

iTrader: (1)

I got a better idea just styick the 45's on dont worry about the turbo it will eat any std rs running 45's although may be a bit overfueling so would need a good setup.

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

Or you could sell the XR3 to my brother, he has a engine and throttle bodies all waiting for a home

Steve.

Tony Turbo

PMSL


Dan does have an RS Turbo, hence his name

What makes you think he doesn't?



Maybe if you entitled this thread "....FAO Christian and Beccy" you would get more chance of a reply from him. He hates being called Chris. And rightly so, it's not his name.

Carlsworth

tony you monkey.........

it says,.....

read the whole post rather than just posting...

Quote:

Or, save the time and hassle and buy an RS Turbo in the first place.



as should you,.....

TIFF

This Bad Boy runs all right on Carbs and a Turbo

big_wig_074

er......surely you mean twin 45s and a turbo?
but yeah,theres plenty of FAST cars running turbos and carbs,fast 5gtts,maestro turbos were carbd,and plenty of monster power things in the usa

Stavros

Yeah i did
But everyone knew what I meant, and that was that Jim was talking utter shite

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

In answer to the original question, well the aspect aimed at me anyway, my RST has produced an average of 320bhp (SCA - 327bhp, PE - 315bhp) and 290lb/ft Torque (roughly the same at both).

Hope this helps.

AFPMSL at Tony Turbo.

Jim Galbally

steve, youre missing my point, i'm saying that twin webber 45s slapped on a CVH will NOT fuel under boost.

i'm NOT saying you cant turbo a carb engine

Stavros

It will with a few basicish mods to the carbs, you need to mod (rejet at least) carbs to every application

Jim Galbally

nope, still missing my point.

think about the 2 DIFFERENT types of carbs and how they operate.

then you'll realise that the extra air will go in, but no extra fuel will go in :P


plus lets be honest, we all know the guy's got an XR3 and his mate saids "wikkid bruv innit, slap a tuuuurbo on it innit get sum boost bruv an put on a dump valve for rally dumpin wikkid" but has no understanding of the fundemental principles of how engines work.

bigal1978

_DAN_

Reno5 runs carb and a turbo

sat in one yesterday as well

Jim Galbally

what the carb? jees you must be TINY

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