jenni watson

how easy is it to get sideways in a standard 2wd cossie or a 4wd cossie?is there enough power for this to happen?

Stavros

Course theres enough power.

You dont need power to go sideways, can do it purely with weight transfer and so on if you know what you doing, but the power they got is more than enough even if your a power-oversteer only person, particularly RWDs.

Not the best cars to get and hold sideways tho, but they can.

Anonymous

Getting a RWD cossie sideways is VERY easy, its the lack of lock to help you ever get it back again thats the problem

Staffi

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Anonymous

Im very much in that second school im rather ashamed to admit

I just dont have the talent for proper sideways in an underpowered RWD car, ive been too spoilt by always having plenty of power to use so have never learnt properly.

People like Phil2400 on here can get a car with 80bhp sideways all day long, but i cant, its a different technique and i think you are a better "drifter" in big power cars if you can do it in the low power ones too.

Stavros

Honestly mate, eeeeeveryone ive ever known with a cossie or TBH nearly any RWD cars, including me, seems to think and use power oversteer only, its natural, and its well known, no shame in it.

In all the years I owned a cossie all i ever used was, same as everyone, power oversteer, but its a shit way, and luckily ive learned decent ways now.

Trouble with power oversteer only is its very snappy.

Actually, biggest trouble with that is you can only really be sideways then from mid corner to the end of the corner, you cant go round a whole corner sideways just by giving it too much throttle as at the start you will be on the straight, so to initiate it before the corner you need weight transfer, poss combined with a bootfull or kicking the clutch if you want.

But then you got the even harder issue of holding it out

jenni watson

the reason i was saying this is my friend owned a cossie and it was standard and struggled to get it doing a dougnut in the dry.

Stavros

To be honest, from my experience, nobody even knows how to bloody to donuts anymore...

Not too long ago i watched at least 20 different RWD cars, some with over 300bhp, inc one Saff, all attempt donuts, but just drove round in tight circles wit squeeling tyres and maybe a lil bit of smoke.

But I had a sub-100bhp car on the same dry tarmac surface spinning on the spot.

Mr.worth

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When I first got my cossie I tried dounuts in a wet carpark and did'nt get much joy,then realised try doing it in second gear instead of first,works so much better dounuts are just a peice of piss if you have a locked or 2-way diff ,the only worry ive got with high speed drifting is hitting something,so make sure theres plenty of room for error

Staffi

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I wish i`d got abit more confidence i think thats where i struggle, always abit unsure how much throttle to use, i seem to use to much or not enough and then look a PLANK

John Laverick

If I can get this to Drift...[In the wet] then you can get a cossie going!!


http://savefile.com/files/1564256

Psycho Warren

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Good skills!!


Can you do it by wieght transfer alone in all RWD and 4WD cars???

Being a FWD pansy (I now my place!!!) wieght transfer is the only way I can get the back end out.

Although it can be done just before you turn in by violently throwing the wheel away from the turn before turning in. Does this work in cossies too??

John Laverick

My method in the Sierra is to basically build up a bit of speed….turn in with a boot full of throttle, have to be high revs in 2nd gear due to lack of power. Catch it then hold with plenty of throttle. Usually until I spin

Kev.H

cnt u get a better rack for the seirra like the old mk1 escort quick racks or summit

RichardPON

Weight transfer drifiting is so much harder than simple power oversteer, as you have to be so quick with the steering wheel.

Power oversteer as Steve says is much more like exiting a corner, so you only slide for the last half of the corner from apex to exit point, and never with that much lock if you're trying to be fast.

Weight transfer is much more subtle, but you need to get the opposite lock on fast, and more importantly, wind it off quickly as well!

This is Jethro Bovingdon showing you how weight transfer should be done round Bedford in a 997 Carrera S........ Notice the early turn into the corners and the unbalancing of the car....

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/video_g...9788&x=174&y=3

Phil

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The main problem with donuts I found is people go into them rolling, turn to full lock and put the pedal down!

I found it never worked for me and the only way I could do it was to start from a complete standstill, lots of revs, sidestep clutch and then apply some steering lock Then obviously use the accelerator to control it after!

Lo@der

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you need a 2.8 capri with lsd, they are mint in the wet really easy and fun to learn in.Ive just got a 4wd saff after my capri and a 2wd saff and you need to throw the weight in the get the 4 wheel drift nice.

lammylama

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ive got a quaife ATB diff on my saff and its the bollocks at going sideways and very easy to control for some reason....well i think so anyway. Like the other guy said power oversteer can be snappy but the thing to do is NOT come off the power mid drift or you will snap back the other way with disastrous concequences. Once youve overcome the fear of holding the power on it just gets easier and easier IMO.

The reason for your mates cossie not doing donuts could be the viscous coupling in the diff....they wear and slip so dont lock the back wheels whereas my Quaife doesnt have that arrangment.....mine will just donut all day long like i did last night....and now i have to change my headgasket coz its fooked....

lammylama

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my saff will donut from a standing start or a rolling start just nicely.... bit of clutch and power then just balance her on the throttle

Lo@der

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AAAAAHHHHH why did i buy 4wd, its wet out and all i wanna do is sit it out on a roundabout now

Stavros

Let go of it

RichardPON

Quite right.

Ask AJ as he was in the MR2 with me round Bedford last year, and a couple of the corners had some great action.

The on thing I hate as a spectator in what makes a drift look untidy is getting the lock off too slowly coupled with someone easing off the throttle - you know when you see the car "snap" straight as opposed to power straight.

charlie luciano

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[quote="lammylama"]ive got a quaife ATB diff on my saff and its the bollocks at going sideways and very easy to control for some reason....well i think so anyway. Like the other guy said power oversteer can be snappy but the thing to do is NOT come off the power mid drift or you will snap back the other way with disastrous concequences. Once youve overcome the fear of holding the power on it just gets easier and easier IMO.

This happened to me in my 4x4 avin it we some fella in a bmw, came into roundabout with power left hand down car started to slide took foot off the gas car snapped back the other way,sufice to say i wet my pants, just held the steering wheel and she corrected and went round thank fuck!

C L

Stavros

Sounds like the crazyest worst idea ever till you try it, but let go of the wheel, let it do it for you.

And yes, never sharply let off.

John Laverick

Steve,

I find that if I let go of the wheel [no power steering] the car will just snap very very quickly and straight into a spin that you CANNOT stop. In mine I catch it by winding on opposite lock quickly using the palm of my hand, [similar to what you do when parking a car with power steering]

Stavros

well not just let go and do some knitting or pick your nose, but grab it again at the right moments.

basically what i mean is its quicker and tidier than countersteering, but sounds like its too fast in your car!

if it works ok what your doing, stick with it

89xr2

You should try donuts in a big american v8. It's as difficult as sitting still turning the wheel sticking your foot flat to the floor and trying not to get too dizzy as you spin effortlessly on the spot

You should post that video of the guy with the hydraulic handbrake in the 200 Itsmeagain. IIRC that shows alot of him letting go of the steering wheel. Or it could of been a different one

Might have been the guy in the pink 350 actually

Stavros

Its no more difficult in any car mate, apart from you dont stay at full throttle as youd jus be bouncing off limiter.
Its the same even in a sub-100bhp corolla. full lock, boot full, drop cluch, the end, round and around and round

Lo@der

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charlie luciano
does your 4wd sit right out then, coz mine only does a bit then just 4 wheel drifts. Maybe its my drivin sux

Stavros

Wierdly enough i uploaded this vid to Google video ages ago...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=supercharged

89xr2

I love the way when you watch good drifters they can use the handbrake at relatively low speeds to get the back end out and then just hold it there with throttle and steering input. Awesome to watch. Like when the d1 guys were on top gear and one of them drifted the monaro vxr. Touch of handbrake and then mad skills

Lo@der

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cool vid
I think I would have spun more than that , do you need the stick that much in an S13 then?

Stavros

id put money nobody on this forum could be even 1/10th of what that guy is managing in the vid, and hes far from the best.
stick? the handbrake you mean?
no, a lot less than almost any other car TBH, but no reason not to use it.
that guy uses it a bit much mind.

RichardPON

Not seen that vid before - fuckin superb skills!

Agree with you 100% though - nearly everyone on here, myself included couldn't do 10% of what that guy's doing.........

Psycho Warren

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IE let it slide through your hands rather than "LET GO" of it and let the wheel self straighten.

Makes more sense to me that way.

89xr2

http://videos.streetfire.net/hottest...A5023C12C1.htm

Check that out, Itsmeagain, RichardPON etc. about 1min55 in. The rally evo. Probably one of the finest bits of driving ive seen. Looks so much like he's gone too far and then bang just keeps it going. Think in the slow mo you can see him lock his rear wheels mid drift. Although I might be wrong. Top driving though Rest of the vid is alright as well but that's by far the best bit

RichardPON

The guy in the EVO is Gigi Galli.

I've got a load of his vids - he's one very talented driver!

89xr2

Ah, I didn't realise it was him. Yeah, he's an amazing driver

Staffi

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Just a question guys, did you all teach yourselves, or have you been on any driving courses etc or is it a case of find a nice big space and start practising

RichardPON

For me, it was racing/motorsport, and then trackdays.