Ima-Racing500

Pon...TBH not many were killed in Group B i dont think...but they were built for that power safety wise!!!!

The Reyland Escort aswell showed remarkable strength BUT then it did only roll over it didnt actually hit anything stationary...BUT i guess it would have still been ok.......PLUS its a rally car aint it?

I talking about road going mainly anyway where other people are a factor...and if its just a road car not likely to be Full FIA approved safety wise....mind if it was i would assume it would do a normal car some seriously damage if it hit one!

Jim..i know speed aint a major factor..but then the majority arnt extreme over speeders..remember a tuned Cosworth with 400bhp is a minority compared to other road users!.

Ima-Racing500

EscortWRC...is it being American that makes you obnoxious? As you are the only one trying to cause a fight?????

PS i dont actually vote.

Ian2wdsaffcos

:gayflag:

Jim Galbally

phil i wasnt making that as a direct link, just another moan at the ripoff speed cameras in this country

also in the grand scheme of this phil, how many deaths have you heard of due to too much power in the wrong hands? as TBH i havent heard of it happeneing very often. pleas remember were in the MINORITY of road users. it may sound harsh to ignore such a subject, but sometimes sacrifices have to be made for the good of the many.

any time/money/effort spent on addressing this particular issue could IMO be much more wisely spent in other areas of road safety

EscortWRC

No, I'd be obnoxious no matter where I was born.

It just seems that you are quick to attempt to impose your values, beliefs, opinions, etc on others instead of wanting to let them decide for themselves

If you find your current transportation is beyond your ability to control...sell it and get something a bit more docile.

Just don't go around trying to tell everyone else what is right for them since *THEY* are the ones who decide that, not you

Ima-Racing500

Jim...my post is about the future not the past I am asking is there gonna come a time when the cars are just to fast.

Anonymous

Think you should put....

Power to weight phil over out right power.....

My car gets absolute death with 400bhp every time i get in it.....and has a better power to weight than a 500bhp cossie road car



Believe me i have had suspension parts break on me at high speed and fires happen, you have to have your wits about you to sort out all the out comes, not just how you are going to make the next corner. Sometimes this is out of your control which is a real shitter, but if you can't drive at speed then u need to change your car LOL

Anonymous

No, impossible LOL.....

Cars are driven as fast as they can but this is all down to the driver over the car.

Ima-Racing500

EscortWRC...as this is a discussion board i am airing my opinions...not anywhere have a said you shouldnt OWN ONE I am discussing WHEN are they gonna be too fast.

God forbid they ban the tuning of cars I love it..and will have a very big bhp Skyline soon..BUT then i consider myself sensible as in not drive outside my own personnal feelings on my capabilitys.......I could quite easily think i am a racing driver thinkin i could handle it and prob get away with it for many years..BUT what if i fuck up..and harm another person...thats where i consider i have a limiter which is missing from many people!

Jim Galbally

agree 100%

you seem unable to have an adult discussion/debate on the subject and are simply trying to tell people what you beleive and justify this.

i have NEVER seen you change your mind/reform an opinion furing any discussion for that matter... youre arrogant imho. but unfortunately i think its too late in your life to change that, so the best you can do is admit it to yourself.

ps thats not some anti-ima hate thing, as you well know ive changed my opinion of you in recent months, its just my honest, unbiased opionion on the matter

EscortWRC

Too fast by *who's* definition.....yours ??

3doorPete

European Parliament tried to place a power limit of 100 bhp on all bikes about 10 years ago, but the plan was abandonned due to masses of evidence showing there was no correlation between death rates and the power of motorcycles - in fact, scooters single handedly disproved it.

There is a correlation between age and death rates however.

You drive within your limits - if you are a crap driver you'll stack a 200bhp Cossie if you try to give it a bit in the wet.

Bike death rates have remained static. Total deaths have increased on bikes because so many people are coming into biking. Also, born againers have been dying a lot as they were able to come back to biking, pay a small insurance premium and buy a GSXR1000 with no experience.

These days, if you ring an insurance company you won't find any that will insure over 600 cc bikes unless you have at least 2 years NCB (I found this out after a bike accident killed off my NCB).

Ima-Racing500

Sorry for my opinions.....and sorry for not being like the majority

As you say Jim i never back down...in public my opinions do NOT change either...you can beat me black and blue...but i wont ever back down

I get it from my Mums side....ROFL.

Ima-Racing500

EscortWRC....having actual experience of fast cars i would say that if i say a 450bhp RWD Cosworth is too fast for the public highway..i think that i wouldnt be too far wrong...Have you experience of proper BHP????

I am sorry though that i am guessing that 700bhp would be to fast Shucks you found me out..cancel the post,stop time,tell the Prime Minister to ban freedom of speech on BB's and that everyone must visit Wales and follow the example that sheep set.

I noticed that so far Jim and you Matt are the only ones to get venomous....sad

Jim Galbally

phil, its thats being serious and not joking, then you realise ofcourse that it would mean any "discussion" you ever have is irrelivant, so you may aswell never bother to speak to another human being ever again and never leave your house...


..oh wait, dejavous

Jim Galbally

phil its not venemous and you know it... there is no "spite" in my replys. please dont try n play mind games with me as i have a very good understanding of psychology. (ps that comment assumes you have half a brain and are saying that on purpose and youre not just saying it out of stupidity )

Ima-Racing500

Correct Jim..i never leave my house to meet up with folk from the car scene...cause..well people are like YOU

EscortWRC

Yes, I have

I raced motorcycles for 10 years and rally cars for the past 4. I've driven several 400+ hp cars and brought them all back in pristine working order.

Phil

iTrader: (1)

So you say 450 is too fast and should be outlawed, yet you wanted 500+bhp from your saph and now 600+ from you binliner!

Ima-Racing500

Where have i said outlaw it ....and did i not say 400plus bhp cars in the WRONG hands who think they are Colin Mcrae can now get 700bhp.

I give up..cancel life

Oh before i leave you here,learn to read and digest all my replies instead of picking bits that you can twist,

Ciao

Less.

And Ima I have cut down on my public appearences in case I meet more people like you

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

Phil,
Just goes to show that you are way behind the times. There used to be a voluntary bhp limit in this country of 145bhp, but that was years ago and then as bikes improved more and more the bhp limit went out the window (as it was only voluntary anyway).

Now in a bid to prevent the suits from interferring yet again (due to the recent spate of motorbike deaths from the "born agains"), they have introduced another voluntary limit, and this time it is speed related. So all the latest crop of superbikes are limited to 186mph (which is plenty fast enough), which was due to government pressure in the fear of bikes capable of 200+mph being readily available to the public for under Ł10k . So the manufacturers imposed their own limit to prevent any legislation (which is usually draconian, because we are obviously too stupid to protect ourselves ).

PS. Was your Mum Mary Whitehouse?

PPS. You're the BIGGEST hypocrite in the known universe - I would love to see your reaction if do-gooders wanted to ban hip-hop due to it's influence on gangs etc - you would soon be piping up in it's defence quotaing personal freedon blah, blah, blah .

Ian2wdsaffcos

Don't see the point in this really You come off your bike at 186mph you're dead anyway, what difference is another 14mph+ gonna make? In fact anything over about 150mph on a bike is a bit frantic & dangerous on the road anyway in my experience, eyesite starts to blur etc. and car drivers seem to have a hard enough seeing you anyway so at that speed you're doubley fucked.

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

Ian,
It has only been introduced to pre-empt an government interference. After the headline making speeds of the 'busa, manufactures thought they had better step in before the suits did it for them.

Can you imagine the media frenzy over the first bike that was available "off the shelf" that could hit 200+mph - just like the bollocks that was going about when the Lotus Carlton was introduced - the media went mental - and that was a slow old barge .

RichardPON

He's got you there Phil!

gearboxman

Just a point or two here......
The real monster powered cars (in excess of say 500bhp), although road legal, aren't going to be driven everywhere at full chat / boost. Costs dictate that.
Decisions must be made when to turn the wick (boost) up, and most people will make a conscious decision of exactly when is the right time, based on the fact that continuous full boost running will bring round "engine rebuild time" somewhat prematurely.

Costs again, your average, unintelligent chav typically won't be able to afford this sort of powerful car (or state of tune) as he doesn't earn enough!

If you have a half reasonable level of savvy, one that will get you a job capable of paying for this sort of power to weight, then surely that savvy might prevail when the "when to use all this power" dilemma arises?

Ima-Racing500

Hip hop and wether you can handle 700bhp are not even remotely in anyway a comparison Next your be quoting banning Big Brother cause it influences you to go out and have sex with strangers

...again for the impaired vision folk...i never said i wanted it banned.I was raising an issue on when does it all get too fast

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

I was raising an issue of should hip-hop be banned 'cos it leads to Gang wars / drive-by shootings and deaths - some of whom have been innocents, so I feel it is a very good comparison .

Should we listen to this music or allow people to play it because of this? .

Stavros

and 3 spokes, they could confuse people into thinking they have somehow gone back in time 10-15 years, and that might cause mental problems, suicide, even crazy killing sprees, so should they be banned too?

justin.e

guys a shopping trolly is a loaded gun in the wrong hands!lol

as for bikes,its not the speed its the fact that your out in the open....i came off my mates bike last nite and it wasnt down to speed but a bloody german shepherd !

justin.e

guys a shopping trolly is a loaded gun in the wrong hands!lol

as for bikes,its not the speed its the fact that your out in the open....i came off my mates bike last nite and it wasnt down to speed but a bloody german shepherd !

Ima-Racing500

Steve as you said 3 spokes make the car look 10-15 years old...exactly what it is mate :dumbass:

Mike it DONT lead to gang wars/drive bys etc.....DRUGS do POVERTY does...i actually thought you were more intelligent!!!!

Karl

The only comment I have to make on this matter is my own car is too fast for my driving ability on public roads. However I choose to drive it with the respect it deserves and thus have so far minimised situations that could prove a fatal accident.

As an example I was out with Daz a few weeks ago mapping the car at 2.3bar boost and on a dual carriage way at around 140mph the car started to lose rear end control due to undulations on the road. (these appear slight at 70mph but are enough to disturb the balance of my car at big speeds.)

When this happens at this speed it truely is un-nerving and something I try to avoid.

EscortWRC

The principle is the same....too much government.

Only the topic is different

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

That had me spit coffee everywhere


I have no further comment..roflol.. fair play Karl.. pmsl

Rich_w

Ima

You wanna be careful expressing a question on here. FAR too many people cant actually read and understand an alternative point of view

Jesus! Like Hadland I have respect for your professional abilities. But with that first paragraph you've gone up MASSIVELY in my estimations. Wish more people could be honest with themselves...

RichardPON

I'm sure Karl's delighted

Mark Shead

any car in the wrong hands is a death trap more HP makes it even worse,
I only drive any of my cars as fast as I feel comfortable whether it is on the road or track
We all have a responceabilty not to over step the mark but not everyone has the comon sense to do this.

Mark

Nick-T

My thoughts exactly

EscortWRC

Death cures stupid...problem solved