morto

hi all, a guy i work with has a new fiesta st there 150 bhp, he tells me that the engine is the same one as thay put in the st 170 focus ? but detuned is that correct? he says hes been to a few places about chipping it and getting it up to 170 bhp but thay have said it cant be done , i think it can and will give him stus number at m.s.d.
anybody now abit more about this engine im i right in saying its a duratec?

andy

#13

Not sure on engine spec, but i put mine on a rolling road and it had 162bhp???? thats standard but with a cone airfilter! Anyone else had the same??

morto

thats a massive gain on what should be standard?? is it a detuned 170 mate

andy

#13

honestly wouldnt have a clue!! I personally think they are shite!! Thats just my opinion and am now standing by for a good flaming!!

dave_y

iTrader: (4)

they are not de-tuned st170 engines,

st170 = 2.0 zetec

fiesta st = 2.0 duratec

morto

very surprised u said that mate, wud of thought thay were little rockets

andy

PF Dave

There's plenty of tuning bits coming out for the Fiesta ST in the VERY near future, some potentially very impressive kit.

Keep your eyes peeled on Performance Ford for all the latest info and product tests.

morto

but hasent the focus rs got the duratec?

andy

dave_y

iTrader: (4)

focus rs = 2.0 zetec turbo

YoungMatt

RS and Focus ST170 both have Duratec on their engines. I'm 99% sure that the Fiesta ST and Focus ST170 are separate engines but both Duratec

st3v3

If it cant be chipped then that would be because Ford in thier wisdom have decided to put a new design of ecu in instead of the black oak ecu that is used in the *old st170* which can be blue finned.

morto

i thought i was going mad then.. only been doin the rs seen for 10 plus years
thers also the mazda duratec

andy

morto

at last some one who nows ther stuff thats why he told me it cud not be chipped.. im sure thay will be some way round it ?

andy

D2EVS

170 has vvt (variable valve timing) st 150 has normal 2.0 duratec

PF Dave

The ST170 has what's badged as a Duratec on it but it's almost 100% identical to a 2.0 Zetec, cast iron block, alloy head etc. The 170 also uses a Black Oak ECU.

The Fiesta ST has a 'true' 2.0 all alloy Duratec in it. The Fiesta uses a Silveroak ECU and yes it is chippable with pretty decent gains

HTH

morto

so you cudent turbo a st 170 as i always thought vvt and turbo is a no go?


andy

D2EVS

The 170 and RS are zetec with Duratec on the cam covers , i work in the engine plant

morto

so the st150 has the better motor in it as its all alloy?

andy

Stavros

All alloy 2litre Duratecs, the REAL ones (ie not FRS/ST170s as they just rebadged Zetecs) like in the ST150, are superb engines with mad potential.
They have a 2.3 version too.

They the engines that are in lots of modern Mazdas too.

The Mazda MPS already uses the 2.3litre version of the Duratec with turbo and 4wd.
Dont take a genius to work out what engine and drivetrain will be used in any future 4wd turbo ford...

GOT2BZETEC

YEah as said the st170 is a badged up zetec, i was shocked when i read burtons catalouge!

D2EVS

Actually the new RS focus if it does come has a Volvo 3.2 straight 6 engine planned these engines are being made now not in any cars yet

oh and it will be turbo`d

YoungMatt

You can someone over on FFOC has it done and at low boost is running 301bhp

D2EVS

Volvo engineers have said that the Rs was shelved because they did not have a suitable 4x4 drivetrain to handle the 360 bhp on the high pressure turbo version

st3v3

this is true ill find the link later after my shower

D19 STE

Good topic interesting to know this stuff

st3v3

http://www.ffoc.co.uk/forum/viewtopi...light=simon170

as he says soon to be 350bhp

Ginge !

the mazda MPS is a nice car anyway so why bother with a ford


the vvt and turbos are possible,,,,,,,,,,, volvo have done it


volvo engine bays are fooking HOOOOOGE though, straight 6 engine mounted transverse in there cars

gearbox's are fooking tiny though

James

anyone got any pics of this mazda mps?

/volvo six pot?

morto

ste your old queens kust been round to my house for the goodies i was in the bath, me and sandy on day off 2moz so will get the erst cleaned, i was out on the a590 the other day and it seemed abit hesitant on full boost so will have a quick look around her

andy

D19 STE

She was picking them up as Steffie wanted her's aswell thats strange about the frst as its normally smooth as anything maybe it needs a good blast

AndyRST

Dont think Simon's ST170 Turbo has the VVTi or the dual stage inlet that you have on std ST170's. I think both these had to be removed for the Turbo conversion. Im sure Simon will correct me if im wrong

morto

i was just always told that vvt and turbo was a no go mate so your probaly correct

thanks
andy