swiss-cosworth

someone have them on his saff?do they make a big difference?where can i buy them?

col93saphcos

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hi,fitted solid beam mounts while ago,defo firmed back end of car up and thought it was well worth doing,had poly ones before,i got mine of ebay but think some-one on here makes them,col93saphcos

KSA-Cossie

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B9kos (richie) off here does them,absolutely amazed at the difference they make.

JanDK

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I guess they are MUCH easyer to fit than poly ones??

JTECH James

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yes they come in two halfs, piss easy to fit

Captain500rs

was in mine yesterday going round a bend and arse end seemed like it was all over had to back off abit to be on safe side. would changing these stop this or is it other bushes that will need doing?

Cheers

KSA-Cossie

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Check diff mount too m8.

Captain500rs

Just seemed like it was wandering a bit

Tev

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i have solid beam mounts, 1 of the best mods you can do imo,

i also have 2 sets of polly beam mounts forsale

tabetha

The crap joke of a rear suspension set up is to remind you you are in a cossie and not a decent engineered jap car!!
tabetha

Mike1

At least there are options available to improve it - uprated diff mount, uprated beam mounts and the camber/toe adjustable beams - which is the main thing.

One thing that makes me smile somewhat is that despite all the slating the old Sierra gets, if you read all the original mag tests when the Sapphire came out, it ALWAYS used to beat the similar powered E30 M3 ( 200bhp and similar weight and similar size tyres ) on a track. Even the guys that preferred the M3 to drive, like Gavin Green from Car, admitted the Sapphire was a faster car in lap times. Not a bad achievement considering the rear suspension and how the E30 M3 gets praised for its sublime handling

Anyway, anyone know if the GGR axle tightening kit is still available? Can't see it on the website unless it is the rear beam fast road kit?

"URETHANE SUSPENSION BUSHES
GGR 088 Outer Track Control Arm Bushes
GGR 089 Inner Track Control Arm Bushes
GGR 090 Anti-Roll Bar Mounting Bushes
GGR 184 Rear beam bushes each
GGR 792 Escort rear anti-roll bar
GGR 902 Sapphire 16mm rear anti-roll bar
GGR 903 Sapphire 4x4 18mm rear anti-roll bar
GGR 831 4x4 gearchange cradle bushes
GGR 068 Rear beam fast road kit
"

tabetha

As you say there are bits to improve it, but that's the point they did a half decent rush job on the engine then stopped when they got to anything else, it could have been so much better to start with than it was, hence the need for improvement.
Imagine if it had decent stuff to start with!!
I'm 99% sure they do call it rear beam fast road kit at GGR.
tabetha

Mike1

I guess Ford left us enthusiasts with something to do at weekends!

Actually I'e been a bit rubbish re the beam kit and if I'd looked a bit harder on the GGR website I would've seen this in the Frequently Asked Questions bit

"
What is the purpose of the rear beam mounting kit?

This kit actually fits around the outer two rear suspension mountings. As described above, the rear suspension is connected to the car only in three places, and when the outer bushes become worn, the suspension will pivot around the centre, and give a steering effect from the rear. The two parts of the rear beam mounting kit actually reduce the free movement of the bush, and therefore prevent the rear wheel steering effect.


How does the rear beam mounting kit fit?

To fit this kit the rear subframe must be lowered away from the underside of the vehicle. It is recommended that this is done one side at a time. There are two parts to the kit, a smaller cone shaped piece, and a larger dish shaped item. The cone shaped part fits into the top of the mounting bush, (above the subframe), with the tapered side facing down into the bush. The larger dish shaped part fits directly below the subframe, with the shaped surface pushing into the rubber part of the rear beam-mounting bush.


Why is the rear beam mounting kit only recommended for two wheel drive cars?

The rear wheel steering effect is most noticeable on two wheel drive cars, when accelerating hard, the car will steer one way, (usually to the right) and then on deceleration, the car steers in the opposite direction. The rear beam mounting bushes are also more prone to wear on two wheel drive cars due to the loading put on them during acceleration. If the rear beam mounting bushes are worn excessively, to the point of collapse, the rear suspension will run directly onto the harder mounting kit and transmit high levels of road noise at all times. If this is the case, then we would recommend the fitment of replacement urethane rear beam bushes.


Why do GGR not usually recommend urethane rear beam mounting bushes?

The rear suspension arms are fitted with metal flexible joints, and so, road noise is passed directly into the rear subframe. If soft subframe mounting bushes are not used, this noise will be transmitted into the bodyshell of the car. The use of urethane rear beam mountings does bring a noticeable improvement to the handling of the car, but the increase in road noise must be tolerated.

"

I presume you can still buy the standard bushes from Ford or GGR to go with this?

tabetha

AFAIK ford still do the std bushes.
tabetha

JanDK

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Great maybe I should go for a pair of those instead of poly...

florent78

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solid beam bush is not "too much" for an everyday car


been firm is not a problem

but do not want bad noise ...

Retro Al

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There seems to be a lot of interest in these solid beam mounts,what about trying to sort a group buy?
Ps what sort of price do they normaly sell for?

tabetha

The ones made by mc2racing in the us sell for around Ł130 from Mike R.
Someone was supposed to by now be producing these built in uk as well, but I've given up with them now.
The poly is so hard on these that would be interesting to see the difference between these and totally solid.
They make one hell of a difference though, even without arb they stop most of the roll, I found, and stop all rear wheel steering on bumps,corners.
tabetha

Nash

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I have a GGR axle tightening kit but never used it. Got a set of solids for mine this time. The pollys were a massive improvement over standard though.

cossievy97

my dad did my rear beam.he used to rally an escort rs2000 and a talbot sumbeem turbo.the beam took him and his budies 3 months to finish and its just amazing!he cobied the beam in class b aluminium tubing and redid the arms in aluminium tubings with adjustable roll joined ends.its much lighter than the standart item and ive been told that its 2twice as sollid as its made as per grp a rally car spec.dond know how those work but it looks wiked!!!cand seem to get any pics ub as i dont have url and i realy wand to start a resto thread as i have a sh.........load of pics of the car!!!is there another way?

Mike1

Where did you get the solid mounts from Nash?

It seems there's basically 4 choices

1/ Standard mounts
2/ Standard with GGR axle tightening kit
3/ Poly bushes
4/ Solid mounts

Twellsie

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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ESCORT-SIERRA-...1%7C240%3A1318

Nash

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I had them through Richie [B9 KOS], not sure if he is still doing them or has any left though.