I have a escort rs turbo with a high spec zvh running on mfi I have had a brand new hybrid turbo from crs and had fueling set up.

Just coming down the motorway after 20 mile cruise and gave it sum beans for a second to over take and it lost all power n sorta bogged out so I turned the key quick pulled over and my turbo was glowing red so I let it cool down n crawled home saw few posts about retarded timing so I advanced it 2mm and seems to run alot better I just don't know if this would damage it but just ran alot smoother.

It's got a bad blow from manifold but I am waiting for my new radiator to turn up because don't wanna take it all apart twice in 1 week also I'm not running water feed to turbo as I can't get any metal pipes for it any pointers would be great also is there a test I can do to check oil feed to turbo but I have done 600 miles on it running everything in so I guess if it was not feeding right turbo would of died cheers

 

what size turbo is it, is it a 2ltr zvh?

Have you had the engine set upp by a tuner?

 

Who set the fueling up?

Really everything needs setting up, it's not a good idea to start fiddling with the timing blindly, especially as you don't know it's defiantly that.

Although you say the fueling was set up it may be running lean.

I would get it to a tuner personally to get it checked over, and drive it gently until it's sorted!

Martin

 

Was set almost bang on fueling by jano 3.46 was set to last week it's a t3 hybrid with everything ya can do to it lol it's a 2.1

 

As in 2.1 ZVH?

I doubt your still on MFI are you, I am surprised you don't have EFI and if so this should control the ignition as well.

Martin

 

Yeah currently saving for cossie management

 

had this happen to me a few days ago. i have 13psi/20psi on demand. while giving it some using the higher boost, i lost all power and coasted up into a faggot/dogging spot. (hence why i coasted rather than cruised). after a 70 year old pervert took me to fill my petrol can i couldnt get the car to start. looked under the bonnet to discover the boost hose has come adrift. on mfi, boost hose leaks can stop the car running altogether. check hoses are tight and not leaking. the top hose can rub on the blind side creating a leak. however id bet your hose has maybe pushed off momenterilly. how much boost are you running? i cant see the setup been an issue if jano set it up. id put the timing as was and drive steady till you find out the cause. could be a ht lead from coil to dizzy, coil, dizzy ect.

 

just out of intrest, was it raining?

 

It's completely standard set up just v high spec turbo and engine running 8 psi n it was raining but that wouldn't make turbo glow would it?

 

Rikki firstly you shouldnt of touched the timing as this would knock out the sync of the fueling and setup.
If you remember the fueling changed after a while of driving the car while we was testing it together.

Its possible the fueling has leaned off requiring to be turned back up and the timing set again. Problem is that you will forever need to be doing this. There are only 2 real options. Find a good working metering unit that does not requiring adjusting so often, which to be fair is quite hard now days + if you dont actually know this for a fact anyone could say or guess this.

Or the other is obviously fitting a management system that does not need constant tuning.

As your a small distance away id advise taking to a local garage and asking them to just check your static fueling AFR and let me know so i can give you better advise on what to do for the time being.

Regards

 

I say I only drove it round the block I'll put it back to where it was just worried all that money on my turbo and it's glowing I really want cossie management but I just can't afford it ATM I'll get fueling checked again asap maybe it's time to park it up till I get management but just didn't wanna keep driving it with turbo red hot

 

Not standard then is it

Martin

 

No I mean the ignition and fueling lol

 

and thats the trouble with mfi. its so old 9 out of 10 the fuelling goes out of sync on a weekly basis. efi is the way forward, my next job. i guess im lucky in that mine is in good nick up to now.

re the turbo, are you 100% it runs at 8psi? sounds like a low boost pressure to cause excess heat like that. what spec is your turbo and where did you get it from?

i ask about rain as moisture can enter the dizzy and cause loud backfires at full load.

 

It's from cr turbo 360 bearing cosworth housing more fins not really sure he said its a hybrid stage 3 t3 for a 2.1 pretty new to the game

 

mgtkr1 what ever the boost level it makes no difference pal. If its running lean the manifold would glow even if it didnt have a Turbo.

Riki my advise is always the same, i see an engine like a girlfriend. You wouldnt want her to be seen by loads of doctors, to give you a different idea on whats the problem with her. She would go to a family doctor that knows her inside and out and get decent advise.

I see the internet a little like wannabe doctors all trying to guess at a problem. When in fact the advise they offer may be well off the mark. Or even make things worse.

By all means listen to people and take in what they say, but choose wisely what you choose to implement.

 

It does sound like you are retarded (not you, the car! lol) or very lean! The spluttering and loss of power point more towards fuelling whereas retarded timing will just make the car down on power but still drive pretty smoothly.
As Jano says either try and get a known good metering unit or save for your management conversion, I personally wouldnt go Cossie as the ECU's/looms are old and been in and out of any number of cars, IME you often end up spending time trying to fault find broken wires and poor connections... There's some very good standalone options avaialbe these days brand new that cost a lot less and come with many more features too!

 

when people comment on cosworth management why is it always compared to other management systems with new loom and sensors you can get new loom and sensors for cosworth management so the point of view becomes flawed

 

You can't get new ecu's though.

 

i bet the old cosworth ecu will still out last most of these cheap ecus lol

 

how much is wasted spark for the cossie ecu?

 

if on p8 free

 

looking at motorsport developments website, Ł399.

 

on a p8 its in the software you dont need extra boards so cant see them charging that

 

that would pay for MS2 setup or go towards a omex setup

 

im sure it would but as i just said it doesn't cost anything if on p8 lol

 

Of course you can but why would you? The total cost is way too high for an old ECU that lacks a lot of features that you get 'out the box' with more modern standalone management.... IMO it's pointless, if it was a cheap option then great go for it! But it's not, it's actually more expensive! lol

It's an argument that always crops up, some people just don't like to move with the times and stick with older tried and tested management (Cossie, OFAC, OFAB, etc.) which is fine!
Others like to have all the features modern ECU's have to offer....

 

so how much does it cost for all the parts needed to convert to cossie management??

 

plenty of people move with the times and get a new car lol in all seriousness what features does your ecu have that has any benifit to a front wheel drive 20 + year old escort

 

I'm not going to argue, it's each to their own mate but here's some of them..

Closed loop boost control.
Launch control.
Flat shift.
Progressive NOS control.
Fully sequential fuelling.
Lean warning light/beep.
Shift change light/beep.
WBO2 Closed loop fuelling.
Switchable fuel/spark table.

I use all of these except the progessive NOS control and sequential fuelling! But if I did have NOS then I would and if I wanted better economy then I'd run sequential too... I dont see why if your car is 20 years old or 2 years old that you wouldnt want all features available... But again thats just me and everyone is different.

 

wasn't arguing both will run a car perfectly well i was genuinely interested as to what usable features the modern ecu has over a cosworth one for an escort as thats what people always go on about but most of the features are of little to no use on a old escort

 

Ah fair play mate! lol
But yeah all of the above features enhance our cars, driveability, efficiency, safety, etc...

 

i just want reliability

 

one day mate

 

its sorted now bud, the initial issue with the m/s is cured now.

Off for as much boost as the clutch will hold in the next couple of weeks.

 

[quote=Versus_Creations;5974578]mgtkr1 what ever the boost level it makes no difference pal. If its running lean the manifold would glow even if it didnt have a Turbo.

do you think its lean jano? just goes to show how dodgy mfi can be at 20 odd years old. probably a reasonably good setup once up on a time before advancements in efi ect. just a question, how much is cossie management inc fitting/base setup?

like you said re internet. its easy to get conflicting and often wrong ideas on here. best bet is stick with 1 trusted tuner.

 

Problem I have is I have no tuners around me and sadly I have to use the car alot its not just a toy I'm trying to learn cos I enjoy it even though it gives me headaches and sleepless nights but worth every min just wishi was closer to Essex

 

When I was running cossie management I travelled 520mile round trip to jano.

 

Why did you change again Stu?

 

How much cheaper would it be to convert just to efi then later upgrade to cossie?