Thrush

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Easiest way for 180-190bhp on a good S1 engine....

I'm guessing ;

Zorst, filter (either cone or panel and modded box), -31, 195 chip (shelf jobbie) and about 14-15psi should do it....

Question is - how long will the turbo cope with this, and how stressed is the fuel system gonna be? Over time I mean...

With this spec I would also deffo change the i/c as well, std S1 is shit, and we all know how much more efficient cooling makes to performance (see latest PF for this proof alone)

Now I been told by several peeps on several occasions that std turbo's (in good cond) will top out at 17psi, but should be fine for 14/15psi.... Add a -31 cos the std actuator is shit and you'll be okay - true?

So come on then peeps

Anonymous

Running over 15psi on the standard i/c and you will be loosing loads of power, get a grs full width one.

B19-TRB

chip
mongoose
-31
2wd/4wd cossie cooler
k&n panel filter (in standard box)
16psi
set of decent plugs & leads
proper setup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thrush

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Lewis, thats what I was thinking along the lines off...

Would probably go for the 4x4 I/C conversion Scott R has, so thats cool for 16psi, but how long will a std turbo last on that boost? Would probably put in a 2stg boost switch to run say 10+16psi

How much power (est) for 16psi with that spec then?

Scott R

Ahmed stage 1 chip and matched cam
K&N panel filter in modded box
-31
proper set-up (mine had the metering head mod done)
1.2 bar
4x4 intercooler
standard turbo
decent plugs,leads and Grp A coil

I was seeing approx 195BHP and 210lbft torque

My turbo is now shagged BUT it did last doing track days and road abuse for 30,000 miles

Thrush

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Thats about 17/18psi right?

So not going quite that high, and minus the cam, looking about 180 then?

Scott R

around that yeh

Thrush

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TBH, as much as I used to fantasise over spec lists and all these trick mods and like 270-290bhp builds, I jsut can't be arsed with that anymore. It's not as if I'll ever use it properly, and I still htink that anything over 240-250bhp in a FWD Escort is wasted power anyway (chassis restrictions and drivetrain) so 180-190 will be fine for now, maybe save for a 230build sometime in the future...

Jsut gotta find a S1 I like now

MJC

Shouldn't be a problem for the turbo mate. Its more down to regular oil changes and obviously allowing for running down time before you switch off that will affect your turbos life expectancy.

Thrush

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Cool

No worrie's about run-down time - I even let my work van run-down for a min or two

B19-TRB

standard turbo would b good for 16psi for a good time! & even if it goes pop they aint exactly magor cash r they!

well tjhat was gunna b the spec of my estate & Karl reconed around 190bhp!

Thrush

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Sweet

Thanks fella's

Jsut gotta find a S1 I like now

adamS2RST

Good luck finding a good s1

Thrush

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I know

Anonymous

Iam glad you have got the car bug back Matt

Thrush

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It's your fault

I desperately need another S1, but I can't really afford it unless I shift my 3i Unless I buy another cheap shitter, and don't really want to do that again or I'll end up selling it to Ross AGAIN

Anonymous

LOL

Get one mate you no it makes sence!!!!!

My hopefull spec is:

2.1 ZVH
Big valve ported and polished head
Paddle clutch
Hybrid gearbox
4x4 intercooler
EFI management (Standard FRST to run it in, then off to Paul Hills for a live mapping session)
Co2 or water intercooler spray
ARP bolts etc....
Full Monggoose exhaust
Pipercross cone filter

Should go well

sm

this is my spec

k&n cone
magnex exhaust
uprated actuator
pace intercooler
superchip

the cars running 190 bhp and 200lbs of torque @15 psi of boost

kent cam kit goes in this weekend so hoping for 210 bhp when its rollin roaded next week

cheers kev

Anonymous

My spec was
K&n
scorpion exhaust
chip
kent cvh 35 cam&vernier pully
pace intercooler
-31 actuator
never set up
running 185bhp at 15 psi (got bored turned boost up to 20psi then bang)
(didnt last long hope new engine lasts)

Anonymous

In the wise words of Homer Simpson.............. DOH!!!!

Thrush

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If you want an engine already built to that spec mate, your looking at about 6k....

Save yourself a grand, buy my mates S2, which has a near identical spec to what you listed, for Ł5k, then put a std engine into the S2 and sell it for a couple of grand and you got the engine for yours and only cost you 3k

Seriously, his engine is pretty much spot on what you listed: EFi running Omex ECU (see Christian & Beccy), 2.1 ZVH bottom end, M.A.D Stg3 head (big valve, full port/polish, etc), stg3 Turbo Dynamics turbocharger (S2 spec so already water cooled ) Radtech alloy increased core width rad and matching full front I/C, Arias low comp pistons, ARP bolts, steel crank and rods, serious serious engine, currently still in run-in mode (3,000 rpm limit and beige injectors - mapped for correct fueling) so all it needs is bigger injectors (greens or light blues suit fine), and a mapping session to unleash the power. Calculated power for 22psi (peak at 24psi fully safely) is 270-280bhp, capable of 28psi for 300+

Engine has been supervised and set up/mapped all along by Simon Norris of Norris Designs (he of the 700+ bhp Evo ) but any decent tuner (eg: Gary @ SCA, they mapped and tuned C+B's Omex ECU'd EFi RST and we know how good that car was) can map this car no probs....

Do it man do it!!!!

Anonymous

jesus i wish i had 5k! ..will have to stick with sub 200bhp power ...tho at the mo dont think im getting 133bhp ...soon to be set up tho!....

Anonymous

5k way out of my league too, ive got about 2k to spend, my mate Rob is building the engine for me on the side, he builds engines for a living, ive spoke to him and he thinks i should have an easy 220bhp and relible to with the spec ive listed. I dont want to go down the after market managent its just far to much money!!! A mate of mine says that Amed from grove garage is able run 30 psi on EFI FRST management, so mine running at 18-20 psi should be no probs!!

300 bhp in a FWD car Wheel spin springs to mind!!!!! PMSL

Thrush

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I've seen an Ahmed tuned car running on MFi (K-Jet) system run 24psi for about 280bhp (1900cc low comp, stg 4 turbo/head, steel rods/crank etc) all day long for the last year or so with no det and no probs, so I still belive in MFi Get him or Mark Shead to do the fuel mod to the metering head and your away

Anonymous

One word word matt............. CHATTER!!!!!!! PMSL


EFI rocks!!!!!

Thrush

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Lol, I know, my mates S2 was on 8psi whilst running in and still chattered like a big boost cossie

Anonymous

mines 1600 low comp
pace intercooler
chip
-31
magnex exhaust
t2 cam
stage 3 turbo
kn filter
16 psi quick wiv plenty of chatter

Anonymous

I really want H section rods, i think thats gonna be my "weakest link"bit pricey though, iam gonna have the standard Ztec ones shot peaned to make them a bit stronger, just hope they dont say "GOOODBYEEE"

Thrush

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Shouldn't do, depends how high the rev is set and how much boost you pulling out of the engine. H-section avalable form Burtons, but if you get them from the guys next door to Burtons (CTM racing) they are cheaper but the same thing lol....

Anonymous

just like burtons!...ive noticed they are quite expensive!

Anonymous

Yeh think Burtons are geting a bit greedy

Iam aiming for 20psi of boost which should make around 220-230bhp, some people have said the standard rods will cope with 270bhp, but with the pistons costing Ł130 each i dont really want to find the breaking point!! lol

CTM racing you say, iam gonna have a word, cheers Matt

Anonymous

i,ve gone through a few engines in my s1
now im on to a specialized engines 1.9

balanced crank and wheel
s2 fly wheel
low comp
stage two head
piper 285t2
k&n panel
magnex
and 20 psi
on a stg 3 turbo .48
and the key to it all
a custom ahmed map chip
with a fuel enrichener

the chip and set up is the key
ahmeds chip is amazing i had a super chip and theres no comparison

Thrush

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Ross - I think 20psi is a bit high for 220-230bhp. On a fully specced EFi 2100cc ZVH you should only need 14/15psi for that power. We (on my mates S2) are getting *roughly* 170-180bhp whilst only running 8psi (measured by running against cars in this power band, mostly loosing tho due to the rev limit being 3k, but keeping up with em till this point....

Anonymous

Cool should let the turbo live a little longer then!!!

Thrush

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Long enough to sell it back to me

CliffRS4

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I had more wheel spin in my car when it was running 220bhp on 1.6 engine and standard management, but now with 1.9 specialised engine , cossie management , grs intercooler and rad, greens etc it wheel spins less.

Maybe something to do with the map?

Anonymous

The power curve must be more gentle meaning the power is feed in far more smoothly, not really sure why but probally because the cossie managent you can custom map unlike MFI.

Thats another reason iam going for EFI, you have more options with it.