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Old 09-01-2009, 03:43 PM
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Default Fu**ing RS Fu**ing Turbo's!!!!

Fitted my Stage 2 turbo today and went out for a spin to set to boost as it was before, all going well and then fucking smoke pouring out of my bonnet!! Bastard oil return pipe has split where it goes into the block
There goes another fucking £45 for a new one, which incidently this one was only a few months ago and another puddle of oil on my drive to try and clear up. and could probably do with some more oil now aswell!!

Sometimes this car really winds me up!!!
Old 09-01-2009, 03:55 PM
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ohhhhhhhh the joys of the rs turbo great when they work but drive you to the edge when they brake which is normaly 7 days aweek
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funny how we always come back for more tho
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wow you seem to be having some poor luck with your car
Old 09-01-2009, 04:11 PM
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took me 4 rs turbo's before i learnt my lesson lol
Old 09-01-2009, 04:14 PM
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One thing after another..........
Old 09-01-2009, 04:17 PM
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hope you gret it all sorted mate
Old 09-01-2009, 05:46 PM
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We would only get bored if this shit didnt happen from time to time! You gotta love em!
Old 09-01-2009, 06:03 PM
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i've read on here before that you can get a silicone replacement hose from roose motorsport which is cheaper than the ford one.
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Im using the same silicone hose that i use on my breather system and that fine
Old 09-01-2009, 06:32 PM
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you shouldnt use silicone hose for oil to go through, the oil breaks down the hose and you end up havein an engine full of thick oil/rubber mixture!
Old 09-01-2009, 06:35 PM
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one day my oil filter had a pin size hole in it, didnt know until smoke was fucking everywhere, ended up doing oil change at the side of the road...... looking back at it was funny really.
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Originally Posted by G420 DEL
you shouldnt use silicone hose for oil to go through, the oil breaks down the hose and you end up havein an engine full of thick oil/rubber mixture!
samco do an oil hose version but its a fortune
Old 09-01-2009, 06:58 PM
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do not put a jubille clip on the hose that returns oil to the block. The pipe expands with heat. If it is on tight with a jubillee clip it will guaranteed split eventually especially with higher boost going through the turbocharger
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Originally Posted by RScrew69
do not put a jubille clip on the hose that returns oil to the block. The pipe expands with heat. If it is on tight with a jubillee clip it will guaranteed split eventually especially with higher boost going through the turbocharger
So what do you use to secure it with?
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Originally Posted by G420 DEL
you shouldnt use silicone hose for oil to go through, the oil breaks down the hose and you end up havein an engine full of thick oil/rubber mixture!

Well the pipe has been in place for 5 and a half years and it has failed yet!
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the standard ford expanding clips. Forget there name, you need to crimp them open with pliers then slip and release the handle on pliers so they lock on tight.

They are the standard for items and are best.

When the pipe gets hot and expands the metal expands and the clips expand slightly and allow enough movement to stop the rubber pipe splitting.

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Originally Posted by Karlos G
So what do you use to secure it with?

Chewing gum lol
Old 09-01-2009, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RScrew69
the standard ford expanding clips. Forget there name, you need to crimp them open with pliers then slip and release the handle on pliers so they lock on tight.

They are the standard for items and are best.

When the pipe gets hot and expands the metal expands and the clips expand slightly and allow enough movement to stop the rubber pipe splitting.


What a load of shit had jubliee's on my rs turbos for years with no probs
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Originally Posted by RScrew69
the standard ford expanding clips. Forget there name, you need to crimp them open with pliers then slip and release the handle on pliers so they lock on tight.

They are the standard for items and are best.

When the pipe gets hot and expands the metal expands and the clips expand slightly and allow enough movement to stop the rubber pipe splitting.

Yeah i was thinking that, the yellow ones IIRC?

Originally Posted by grchmason
What a load of shit had jubliee's on my rs turbos for years with no probs
I've had 4 split in 2 years so i'm i'll thinking try the clips! I probably overtighten the jubilee's...... bad habbit of mine, overtighen everything even though i know i do it!

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Old 09-01-2009, 07:48 PM
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Dont buy one mate i have one here basically brand new pm me your address you can have it
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Originally Posted by bad boy rs
Dont buy one mate i have one here basically brand new pm me your address you can have it
Top Man!!!! Thanks very much!!!
Old 09-01-2009, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bad boy rs
Dont buy one mate i have one here basically brand new pm me your address you can have it
top man
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How true is this? And if ya get an oily/rubber mixture rushing thru ya engine, whats likely to happen?
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It is true, for example Viper hoses state the following "SUITABLE FOR: Any Water, Air, Coolant, oil breather applications. Not suitable dedicated fuel, oil or brake fluid applications. " and thats £21 a metre!!

I would imagine you could get blocked oilways, blocked lifters, and maybe a clogged turbo,etc...! But what we can say for 100% is that the oil will not 'behave' as it should because of being diluted with rubber!

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Ohhhhhhhh, ok then.... not good!

I remember the oil return pipe went on my XR3i and I cut the bend off another XR3i hose (cant remember which one, but it was from the top half of the engine) Did the trick and cost nothing.
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Oil return on an XR3i??? The oil return comes from the TURBO and into the block!
Must be thinking of another hose mate! lol
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oh lol, must be

Sorry
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i used some pipe i found at the scrappys, with a nice bend on it and used heat wrap shit that i had lying bout and has still been fine
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Originally Posted by G420 DEL
you shouldnt use silicone hose for oil to go through, the oil breaks down the hose and you end up havein an engine full of thick oil/rubber mixture!

Breather hose should be fine if it is for a return, and returns are pretty low pressure anyway
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Originally Posted by James90RS
Breather hose should be fine if it is for a return, and returns are pretty low pressure anyway
Sorry pal its not at all, it will fall to pieces if you fill it with hot oil. Its nothing to do with pressure, its the actual compound used cannot withstand the chemicals in oil.
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Mine has been in place 5 and a half years and it hasnt spilled a drop!
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I got a replacement one from Roose £20 if i remember correctly
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Roose Motorsport do a proper floro lined one for around £25
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The same thing happened to my rs, if you over tighten the jubilee clips on the pipe as its on such a bend it will just slice threw it, I put the orignall ford ones back on not a problem since, did it split on block return section if so thats your problem
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Sorry pal its not at all, it will fall to pieces if you fill it with hot oil. Its nothing to do with pressure, its the actual compound used cannot withstand the chemicals in oil.
Was about to say the same thing!

Originally Posted by Tel
The same thing happened to my rs, if you over tighten the jubilee clips on the pipe as its on such a bend it will just slice threw it, I put the orignall ford ones back on not a problem since, did it split on block return section if so thats your problem

Yes mate thats where it split, and i'm 100% sure it's because i overtightened the JC's, will go back to using the normal spring clips from now on!
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£45 for the hose from ford ? mine was a few quid genuine part
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Originally Posted by rs combi
£45 for the hose from ford ? mine was a few quid genuine part
Not from Ford it's not mate, the Oil Return Pipe from the turbo to the block is £45

Or £60 from our somewhat expensive friend Alexcabrio!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-ESCORT-RS...1%7C240%3A1318

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mate of mine had a silicon one his us fez track car the head of the manifold burned right through it lol
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Originally Posted by Karlos G
Not from Ford it's not mate, the Oil Return Pipe from the turbo to the block is £45

Or £60 from our somewhat expensive friend Alexcabrio!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-ESCORT-RS...1%7C240%3A1318
dont know if im on about the same part is it the little rubber 90 degree bit about 2-3 inches long if so mine was no where near that much ill try find out the invoice out and check


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