juffer

What max psi can be used on a non lsd box. Just for information purposes, what is the max psi you can run on standard pistons, rods and crank. cheers

Alex_86

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juffer

that aint realy helped. thanx

juffer

sorry i read your post wrong. so what you are saying is i can use 14 psi but try the impossible and not wheel spin? cheers

1.9 xr2 on 40's

a non lsd box will live longer than a lsd box

spinning a wheel gets shot of the torque having an lsd stopping that puts more strain on the casings, plenty spit their guts out the back of the casings cos of that

Alex_86

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hm, not on a rst mate. as the non lsd box(3i and 1.8 diesel? ) that people use, dont hold as long as an rst box

the torque destroys the box.. and the 3i box that most people use is easier to rip apart

so, go for a rst box

but as i am just a stupid guy from norway.. i dont understand the question... how much psi the box will take


as last i checked i did not run the turbo true the box

1.9 xr2 on 40's

ive busted and know of plenty of lsd boxes bein burst, never a old 3i box, they love abuse and ive had plenty of rst's

Alex_86

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well, i have busted 1 3i box on my cabby. it is more 3i boxes that goes then rs boxes.. but maybe thats the opposite in your country tho.
As the 3i box is a cheap replacement for the rs box

Grandad racer

this guy alex86 is talking rubish, and not for the first time either!!

Alex_86

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hm,ok

let me put it this way!

someone stole your gearbox!

and the police of all people gives you 2 gearboxes

1: xr3i
2: rst

what do you put in your car?

1.9 xr2 on 40's

thats not the question is it

lsd box is undeniably better but a non lsd box will last longer
everybody knows that

Alex_86

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as you would put the rst box in
why will a 3i box last longer?
why did ford put a box with lsd in the rst?
is it basically the same box, difference is the lsd!
As the rst box will last longer!

1.9 xr2 on 40's

are you daft??

with the lsd both wheels must turn so all the torque from both wheels is being put onto the casings and the casings break and the diff pokes out the back of the box

just having an lsd increases the stress of the whole box too, instead of losing lots of the power thru spinning the wheel it makes the car go better with no spinning but that torque moves somewhere along the line and if it comes up to something thats not up to it then it busts


you can make the car go fater but that extra power is being transmitted elsewhere, if you uprate everything then its down to the tyres and wheels, if the tyres are the best then you can get the wheels spinning within the tyres

makes sence to me but coudl be worded much better

i dunno why i bother is just basic physics

Alex_86

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dont know what dafts means, but, du er kanskje et realt rasshøl du, mongo tryne?

Ok, so let us all change to 3i box as they hold so long and is a better box as you says. And company's like cts can just put down their whole business as all their boxes with lsd is just a waist of time!

so are YOU daft??

1.9 xr2 on 40's

you moron

any1 else can obviously see what im saying so give up

nobody said lsd's are shite or owt lsd's are fine, i have 1 in my xr2 BUT not having a lsd WILL make the box last longer, end of, im not saying it will make teh car fatser or better handeling, of course it wont, but the fact remains

fuck sake

i dont know what you typed obviously but whatever it was i'd guess it was bollocks

Alex_86

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well the norwegian, it is just respons on your moron and daft replys as u say i am that.

i am not saing that it will make your car faster or stronger, just reading your reply´s

"nobody said lsd's are shite"
well, you have said that a dozen times now, indirect!

and what you are saing is that a 3i box stands more beating that a rst box

and i am saing, that is wrong!

Grandad racer

alex, where you comeing from mate?everyone knows s2 turbos eat gearboxes, even me mom knows that!!! iv had 4 xr3i's and no problems. my s2 turbo is on its 3rd gearbox in 4yrs so is lsd that good?

Alex_86

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well, as i havent said that rst boxes holds for ever, but i am still saying that rst box holds better than the 3i box!

and how many boxes you have braked in 4yrs does not interest me a bit! as your drive style may suck

Grandad racer

1.9xr2 on 40's hi mate , seems the bigest prats live in norway, lol!!!

Alex_86

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and what is your problem???

Grandad racer

sorry mate, i got no axe to grind with you , you problly one very nice bloke,but you know sod all about escort gearboxes, thats very obvious!!!

SafeChav

juffer you can't really say how much psi will a gearbox take, because the amount of boost run doesnt necessarily reflect power output, it depends on how well tuned your engine is, two engines each running a bar of boost for example, one could make a LOT more power than the other.......

Marc LJX

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I think what people are trying to say here is that a box with an LSD fitted will be under more stress than a box without.

A box without an LSD is under less stress because when it is under too much strain in certain circumstances one wheel will spin (Releasing some pressure). The LSD box will send torque to both wheels, resulting in more strain on the casings.

Please note i am no gearbox expert, but have a keen interest in them as i just fitted my 4th LSD box last week

Personally i would rather run an LSD box and change it more often. I think you get much better traction in corners because of it

PeterRST

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Yeah, one of the main RST characteristics to pull itself round corners if you floor it.

However I get a annoying whining noise from my LSD box as soon as I release the clutch. It's nothing to do with load, it's just always there. So it's either the input shaft, or, if I'm very lucky, just something minor like the clutch release bearing.

1.9 xr2 on 40's

amen mate

some poeple are just to DAFT to think out side their mindset

Alex_86

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good you finally realized that about your self!

daveselwood

i had a series 1 that ran at 190 bhp on a 3i box for 18 months and it was given a hard life,but it was a lot better with an lsd

1.9 xr2 on 40's

i'd have come out with that when i was 5 too

daveselwood
the point isnt whats better the point is a non 3i box carries less stress and will last longer

Alex_86

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lol, how old are you?

For du oppfører deg rett å slett som en dritt unge, driver å slenger drit om andre! Kommer med ting der du ikke har noe bevis, eller dokumenterte ting! der du sier.. mine kompiser har slitt ut mere rst kasser en 3i kasser. jeg har "hørt", "tror jeg". Så før du kan bevise at kassa fra 3i´n holder lengere så kan du jo kanskje gå å si fra til ford, for du vet jo mere en et miliard konsern, og samt de som laget stg 1-2-3 kasser til escort. eller oppgraderte kasser generelt. for DU tar jo aldri feil
må le av deg her!

if u want it on English, ask some daft people from Norway then, or a daft one from Sweden or Denmark!
or get a translator

1.9 xr2 on 40's

i can translate that

if you really think i give a shit think again

Barry R

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CALM DOWN BOYS lets just agree to disagree we all no the truth

SafeChav

Come on lads sort it out

Grandad racer

alex 86, dont come on here again, your a prat that talks out your arse !!

Alex_86

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haha, u are just pathetic!!

can you document that a 3i box holds longer then the rst box?

before you can do that, just fuck off!
As u are one retarded guy! "I have heard", "my friends say" statements you come out with, it is just pathetic!

if you really think i give a shit think again
well, its the second time you say that
oblivious you do!

the reason is that i not gone translate it for you is that your not worth it.
Because you are a pathetic little guy from Norfolk that think hi knows everything! And if some one disagrees with him, they are just daft!


Grandad racer: once again what is your prob?
Are u a little ass licker that agrees with the guy up here, or are you the same guy? stay away

SafeChav

Alex_86, to be fair what they say does makes sense, a 3i box because it has no LSD is under a lot less stress because it can transmit all the power through one wheel, where as an LSD box will always drive both wheels.

But looking at realistically, ALL BC type boxes are weak as fuck, the geared differentials are SO common to break up and drop out, and they are just in general a very weak gearbox.

The LSD box is the most common to fail but thats probably because its the only box worthy of fitting to a high power car..........

Alex_86

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Hi Alex,

A BC gearbox without the LSD would probably fail before one with it, we feel that the sun and planet gears in the open diff are weaker than the small gears used in the LSD unit.

Regards,

Stuart.<-- gearboxman.com

twinkle_2k86

bloody hell, this is a cracking argument

back to the first question, I maybe wrong, but it looks like your looking for a cheap gearbox. My advice if this is the case. Dont even both with the RST box or the XR3 box, as there the crappy chocolate gearboxes. If you not fused about the LSD, get a IB5 gearbox. If will be much better and take a bit more stick then the (BC) RST box.

if you did want a LSD, just use the RST LSD and put into the IB5 box. then you got strength and traction.

1.9 xr2 on 40's

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can you not read
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if you can, read the fucking answers, if you cant keep on talking bollocks, i dont care

SafeChav

I'll be honest though thats a classy move PM'ing Gearbox man and posting his response

Fiecos Dan

Your asking the wrong question,
As Safechav has stated, different engines on same boost = different power.


You would of been better to ask how much bhp, lbft would a std gearbox last, using std size road tyres.


But then its still not a known amount, as some people kill gearbox's regularly on 160bhp/lbft.

Where as i haven't ever broke a RST box, and i have done 40k miles in my xr2 turbo running between 180-200 bhp, with upto 230 lbft.
inc lots of hard trackdays on slicks, and 100's of sprints.
But my xr2 is using smaller tyres (195/45/15) and wiegh's 1040kg's with me in it as road trim, 985kg's as trackday trim.
And my cars are used alot harder on a regular basis then most people would dream of.