How to upgrade to cossie brakes (Updated 27/07/2011)
#201
any mk3 mondeo caliper, can pick them up for £15 a caliper.
just the front. Need a spacer, but you can make one or guy on ebay sells them for £16 with the bolts
don't know about the master cylinder, i've binned the standard setup.
just the front. Need a spacer, but you can make one or guy on ebay sells them for £16 with the bolts
don't know about the master cylinder, i've binned the standard setup.
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Dont forget guys, bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. Yes it's cheaper to use mondeo callipers and a spacer on 300mm disks but is it better? Has anyone done a comparison in calculation of brake pad surface area, effective radius and braking Coeficient between the two setups?
I'm not saying I have an opinion but I don't have the facts.
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Dont forget guys, bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. Yes it's cheaper to use mondeo callipers and a spacer on 300mm disks but is it better? Has anyone done a comparison in calculation of brake pad surface area, effective radius and braking Coeficient between the two setups?
I'm not saying I have an opinion but I don't have the facts.
Lee
I'm not saying I have an opinion but I don't have the facts.
Lee
try to be honest id think the cosworth 1 would be better, just because so many people do it, the mondeos r sooooooo much cheaper, but then again i dont have the facts either would be nice to knw
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I'll see what I can dig out on the calculations side.
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#216
cost was the main reason, then the fact the calipers are newer and better condition.
but i think you can use mk2 V6 mondeo calipers which are the same has the escort cossie calipers
but i think you can use mk2 V6 mondeo calipers which are the same has the escort cossie calipers
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From what I can find Mondeo V6 callipers use the same pads as the cossie 4x4 callipers so that's a good indication that they're similar. Another thing I've found is that some 2.0 Mondeo's use the same pad. But 1.8 and some 2.0 seem to be smaller.
Basing our effective radius calculation on the following:
Disc Effective radius = disc usable inside radius + disc usable outside radius / 4
The Mondeo setup with the larger calliper and 300mm ST170 discs would be more efficient. If Thermal dynamics and friction material were assumed to be the same.
The issue I guess is adaptor plate procurement and wheel clearance. My 4x4 callipers are about 5-8mm from the inside of my RST alloys on the 283mm discs.
I think it's time you did a how-to Luke!
Lee
#218
you need the mk3 mondeo caliper, the 1.8,2.0 and v6 use the same caliper.
they will fit under 15's with a little work to the caliper. was covered in Fast ford last month
will be fitting some pads soon so i will take some pictures.
they will fit under 15's with a little work to the caliper. was covered in Fast ford last month
will be fitting some pads soon so i will take some pictures.
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It's funny you should ask mate and very coincidental! As I dragged my ass out of bed this morning I remembered I had not re-hosted these pics! I changed the registrar for my domain last week and I need to transfer the content.
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Dont forget guys, bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. Yes it's cheaper to use mondeo callipers and a spacer on 300mm disks but is it better? Has anyone done a comparison in calculation of brake pad surface area, effective radius and braking Coeficient between the two setups?
I'm not saying I have an opinion but I don't have the facts.
Lee
I'm not saying I have an opinion but I don't have the facts.
Lee
#229
Fantastic bit of info, im going for the rear conversion and using MK3 mondeo front calipers with st170 300mm discs!
I take my hat off to "Dojj"for being so helpfull and "mentalasanything" for a wicked informative post that even i understood lol
I take my hat off to "Dojj"for being so helpfull and "mentalasanything" for a wicked informative post that even i understood lol
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Carrying on the resurrection, bigger is not necessarily better. Big brakes are okay up to the point that they cause the ABS to kick in or the tyres lose traction and slide. After that point, anything else is a waste. I had 2WD Cosworth brakes and 4WD calipers on my old XR3i MK4, running 16" wheels using a 24mm master cylinder and it had brilliant brakes. You could take the braking point right up to the edge of the tyres slipping and hold it there. In the wet, the slide point was just a little earlier. I drove another one with normal master cylinder and even bigger brakes (unknown brand but needed 16" wheels to only just clear) and it was all too easy to lock up in the dry, scary in the wet. I currently run 260mm front brakes and 24mm master cylinder on the MK4 cabriolet with 15" wheels and the brakes are perfect. Can lock the fronts if trying hard, but more than good enough for the speed of the car and the roads used.
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I've done this conversion again over the weekend so I've now updated it a little and added the part number for the correct handbrake cable!
First Line Parts FKB1340 for Ford Escort 92>95 with rear disks excluding 4x4.
Also this time I countersunk the rear caliper adaptors and used countersunk bolts, much neater!
Antti,
I've done this conversion again, this time on an XR3i (Non ABS with the 4 output master cylinder) and without a bias valve. They work fantastically now, better than they did on the RST. No lock ups and breaks evenly as it should. Handbrake holds well too. What M/C are you using?
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First Line Parts FKB1340 for Ford Escort 92>95 with rear disks excluding 4x4.
Also this time I countersunk the rear caliper adaptors and used countersunk bolts, much neater!
Antti,
I've done this conversion again, this time on an XR3i (Non ABS with the 4 output master cylinder) and without a bias valve. They work fantastically now, better than they did on the RST. No lock ups and breaks evenly as it should. Handbrake holds well too. What M/C are you using?
Lee
he mate,
If i look on ebay for the First Line Parts FKB1340 then i shows a picture of a handbrake cable that doesn't look right. Or does generic image mean its a photo that doesn't match the real product?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/First-Line...-/390557828051
Also this is not a RS2000 one but a 1.8i, but shows the same partnumber and is the cheapest i can find on ebay incl shipment to the Netherlands. Would you say this is the right product?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escor...item3a6e117fdb
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This is an odd one i've got cosworth 4x4 brakes/calipers but for some reason the guy i brought them off had grinded a bit of the caliper carrier on the ns os is fine,my worry is it looks like when the pad wears the one end of the pad end may fall out and jam,so I welded back in the missing metal,matched the shape to the other carrier and fitted it, now the odd bit! when driving in a straight line and braking everthing is fine if i turn a right hand bend with out braking the disc catches on the caliper carrier i'v had to grind the caliper carrier back to how he had it for it not to catch,I know its not right and i'm have difficulty finding why its doing it anyone got any ideas wheel bearing is fine.
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he mate,
If i look on ebay for the First Line Parts FKB1340 then i shows a picture of a handbrake cable that doesn't look right. Or does generic image mean its a photo that doesn't match the real product?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/First-Line...-/390557828051
Also this is not a RS2000 one but a 1.8i, but shows the same partnumber and is the cheapest i can find on ebay incl shipment to the Netherlands. Would you say this is the right product?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escor...item3a6e117fdb
If i look on ebay for the First Line Parts FKB1340 then i shows a picture of a handbrake cable that doesn't look right. Or does generic image mean its a photo that doesn't match the real product?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/First-Line...-/390557828051
Also this is not a RS2000 one but a 1.8i, but shows the same partnumber and is the cheapest i can find on ebay incl shipment to the Netherlands. Would you say this is the right product?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escor...item3a6e117fdb
This is an odd one i've got cosworth 4x4 brakes/calipers but for some reason the guy i brought them off had grinded a bit of the caliper carrier on the ns os is fine,my worry is it looks like when the pad wears the one end of the pad end may fall out and jam,so I welded back in the missing metal,matched the shape to the other carrier and fitted it, now the odd bit! when driving in a straight line and braking everthing is fine if i turn a right hand bend with out braking the disc catches on the caliper carrier i'v had to grind the caliper carrier back to how he had it for it not to catch,I know its not right and i'm have difficulty finding why its doing it anyone got any ideas wheel bearing is fine.
Lee
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Recomendation from my side don't go for a cheap proportional valve on your brake system. I had two cheaps and couldn't stop the rears from locking. A willwood in the end did the trick!