AP Racing clutch plate ~ CP5351-16 ~ What power
21-04-2006, 10:15 AM
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r u talkni bout the 4 paddle matey???
if so im usin 1 with standard ford pressure plate and its fine at 220bhp!!!
was also fine in my lasr RST which made 242ftlb of torque!
if so im usin 1 with standard ford pressure plate and its fine at 220bhp!!!
was also fine in my lasr RST which made 242ftlb of torque!
21-04-2006, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick
The CP3560-1 with an Alcon 6 paddle will do 350hp no problem. After this u have to go to a twin plate setup.
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21-04-2006, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Matt,
If it is true that you have spanked an Alcon 6-Paddle then an Organic won't be up to it IMO. AFAIK the CP3560-1 cover is the normal uprated Organic one.
If it is true that you have spanked an Alcon 6-Paddle then an Organic won't be up to it IMO. AFAIK the CP3560-1 cover is the normal uprated Organic one.
Perhaps its a defect with the clutch plate as its only done 1300 easy miles.
To be honest i'm getting a bit fed up of things keep breaking so i've turned the boost down. I just want to enjoy the car now and kinda think an organic will be best. Although the torque from the engine might mean i have to live with a paddle
21-04-2006, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by notSteveS2
paddle aint so bad with a standard pressure pplate matey...
i use mine everyday to and from work!
i use mine everyday to and from work!
A paddle plate NEEDS the grab. It doesn't want to slip, so the heavier the cover, theoretically, the better. This is why they don't appreciate stop-start driving in traffic, because there is an element of slipping the clutch involved.
Matt, the best clutch I have used so far is the Alcon 6-Paddle. It is lasting well in both mine and Tonys RST's. Prior to that, I used an AP 4-Paddle with the Stage 2 cover. This was f*cked when I removed it (after less than a year's use). It was down to the rivets and the surfaces were blue.
So, IMO anything less isn't going to handle the torque you are producing.
21-04-2006, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by notSteveS2
paddle aint so bad with a standard pressure pplate matey...
i use mine everyday to and from work!
i use mine everyday to and from work!
A paddle plate NEEDS the grab. It doesn't want to slip, so the heavier the cover, theoretically, the better. This is why they don't appreciate stop-start driving in traffic, because there is an element of slipping the clutch involved.
Matt, the best clutch I have used so far is the Alcon 6-Paddle. It is lasting well in both mine and Tonys RST's. Prior to that, I used an AP 4-Paddle with the Stage 2 cover. This was f*cked when I removed it (after less than a year's use). It was down to the rivets and the surfaces were blue.
So, IMO anything less isn't going to handle the torque you are producing.
i was not aware of his power or torque figure brains....
all i sed was thats wot i use and have no issues at all with clutch slip!!!
so now understand that combination???
plus if ,like me, uneed to use car everyday heavy duty pressure plate is not gd and clutch will b fucked in no time!
22-04-2006, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by zvhturbo
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Matt,
If it is true that you have spanked an Alcon 6-Paddle then an Organic won't be up to it IMO. AFAIK the CP3560-1 cover is the normal uprated Organic one.
If it is true that you have spanked an Alcon 6-Paddle then an Organic won't be up to it IMO. AFAIK the CP3560-1 cover is the normal uprated Organic one.
Perhaps its a defect with the clutch plate as its only done 1300 easy miles.
To be honest i'm getting a bit fed up of things keep breaking so i've turned the boost down. I just want to enjoy the car now and kinda think an organic will be best. Although the torque from the engine might mean i have to live with a paddle
this is what you need you'll never suffer from a slipping clutch again twin plate paddle on my fiesta turbo
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22-04-2006, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by notSteveS2
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by notSteveS2
paddle aint so bad with a standard pressure pplate matey...
i use mine everyday to and from work!
i use mine everyday to and from work!
A paddle plate NEEDS the grab. It doesn't want to slip, so the heavier the cover, theoretically, the better. This is why they don't appreciate stop-start driving in traffic, because there is an element of slipping the clutch involved.
Matt, the best clutch I have used so far is the Alcon 6-Paddle. It is lasting well in both mine and Tonys RST's. Prior to that, I used an AP 4-Paddle with the Stage 2 cover. This was f*cked when I removed it (after less than a year's use). It was down to the rivets and the surfaces were blue.
So, IMO anything less isn't going to handle the torque you are producing.
i was not aware of his power or torque figure brains....
all i sed was thats wot i use and have no issues at all with clutch slip!!!
so now understand that combination???
plus if ,like me, uneed to use car everyday heavy duty pressure plate is not gd and clutch will b fucked in no time!
22-04-2006, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick
providing u dont get slip, the organic will last the longest. 1600's dont put out 300lb+ torque.
The durability of a clutch depends totally on what kind of driving you do. If you fit an Organic and never really launch it and do a bit of driving in traffic, then that will last well. However, start launching it and it will soon suffer.
On the flip side of that coin, if you drive a Paddle clutch in traffic alot and give it alot of stop-starts, that will suffer. A Paddle really needs to be on or off, hence the need for a heavy cover pressure plate.
So it's hard to generalise.
Turboboss, that setup looks awesome.
I really would like something like that. What does it drive like? Only thing that worries me with such a good clutch is whether it will put extra strain on the gearbox.
22-04-2006, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick
1600's dont put out 300lb+ torque.
https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...8831&start=520
Be interesting to see what he is using (I can't remember
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22-04-2006, 01:28 PM
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I took the car out for a long drive this morning and everyting seems to be fine
Something to do with the clutch is a bit tempremental so i think i'm just going to wait till it breaks so i know for sure whats going on
I'm not a fan of paddle clutches in road cars. but the Alcon with the AP cover is the best i've ever used.
Thanks for all the above info.
Watch this space.
Something to do with the clutch is a bit tempremental so i think i'm just going to wait till it breaks so i know for sure whats going on
I'm not a fan of paddle clutches in road cars. but the Alcon with the AP cover is the best i've ever used.
Thanks for all the above info.
Watch this space.
22-04-2006, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by notSteveS2
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by notSteveS2
paddle aint so bad with a standard pressure pplate matey...
i use mine everyday to and from work!
i use mine everyday to and from work!
A paddle plate NEEDS the grab. It doesn't want to slip, so the heavier the cover, theoretically, the better. This is why they don't appreciate stop-start driving in traffic, because there is an element of slipping the clutch involved.
Matt, the best clutch I have used so far is the Alcon 6-Paddle. It is lasting well in both mine and Tonys RST's. Prior to that, I used an AP 4-Paddle with the Stage 2 cover. This was f*cked when I removed it (after less than a year's use). It was down to the rivets and the surfaces were blue.
So, IMO anything less isn't going to handle the torque you are producing.
i was not aware of his power or torque figure brains....
all i sed was thats wot i use and have no issues at all with clutch slip!!!
so now understand that combination???
plus if ,like me, uneed to use car everyday heavy duty pressure plate is not gd and clutch will b fucked in no time!
So brains at wot power wud u say u need a 4 paddle???
22-04-2006, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by notSteveS2
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by notSteveS2
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by notSteveS2
paddle aint so bad with a standard pressure pplate matey...
i use mine everyday to and from work!
i use mine everyday to and from work!
A paddle plate NEEDS the grab. It doesn't want to slip, so the heavier the cover, theoretically, the better. This is why they don't appreciate stop-start driving in traffic, because there is an element of slipping the clutch involved.
Matt, the best clutch I have used so far is the Alcon 6-Paddle. It is lasting well in both mine and Tonys RST's. Prior to that, I used an AP 4-Paddle with the Stage 2 cover. This was f*cked when I removed it (after less than a year's use). It was down to the rivets and the surfaces were blue.
So, IMO anything less isn't going to handle the torque you are producing.
i was not aware of his power or torque figure brains....
all i sed was thats wot i use and have no issues at all with clutch slip!!!
so now understand that combination???
plus if ,like me, uneed to use car everyday heavy duty pressure plate is not gd and clutch will b fucked in no time!
So brains at wot power wud u say u need a 4 paddle???
An Organic can handle big power. Of that there is no doubt, but to generalise, I would say that a good condition Standard Ford clutch can handle up to 200bhp (at a push). From there, an AP Uprated Organic (not the shitty one with the OE spec pressure plate) would handle up to 250bhp. After this a Paddle clutch (complete kit with proper pressure plate) of some kind would be advised.
However, if you have, say, 230bhp and drive it like you stole it, then a Paddle might be needed at that level.
Make sense?
22-04-2006, 10:31 PM
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lol......
well i have 220bhp and i use the 4 paddle with standard pressure plate as i was recommended to do so buy sum well known tuners...
it copes fine.... thing is i drive car everyday so it has to b drivable (inc traffic for me)
and this set up seems to do the job fine... and i do have my moments where it takes sum major abuse.... hence y box died!
well i have 220bhp and i use the 4 paddle with standard pressure plate as i was recommended to do so buy sum well known tuners...
it copes fine.... thing is i drive car everyday so it has to b drivable (inc traffic for me)
and this set up seems to do the job fine... and i do have my moments where it takes sum major abuse.... hence y box died!
22-04-2006, 11:10 PM
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paddle on a daily driver is wrong. Very wrong. You may get it to work, but that doesn't make it the proper solution. It's also the torque by which u rate a clutch - power is irrelevant.
22-04-2006, 11:54 PM
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242lb/ft on a 190bhp car was one of the following reaons.....
1. Wheelspin on the rollers
2. Boost spike
3. CLUTCH SLIP!
As Rick says, of course a Paddle clutch will work with a standard Pressure Plate, but it's a waste of a Paddle in my opinion. A proper Organic kit would have done the job there.
Using a Paddle clutch with a standard Pressure plate is as ironic as using a 3" exhaust and a standard backbox.
1. Wheelspin on the rollers
2. Boost spike
3. CLUTCH SLIP!
As Rick says, of course a Paddle clutch will work with a standard Pressure Plate, but it's a waste of a Paddle in my opinion. A proper Organic kit would have done the job there.
Using a Paddle clutch with a standard Pressure plate is as ironic as using a 3" exhaust and a standard backbox.
22-04-2006, 11:56 PM
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[quote="Christian and Beccy"]242lb/ft on a 190bhp car was one of the following reaons.....
1. Wheelspin on the rollers
2. Boost spike
3. CLUTCH SLIP!quote]
wot eva!
1. Wheelspin on the rollers
2. Boost spike
3. CLUTCH SLIP!quote]
wot eva!
23-04-2006, 12:05 AM
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that was with last car... think i still have a copy of graph around sumwhere...
but i can rememebr it bein a nice smooth torque curve mate and i think it hit that torque between 4.5 and 5k... and didnt drop to no where near 180 at 6k...
i always thought it was down to FMS head on it!
but i can rememebr it bein a nice smooth torque curve mate and i think it hit that torque between 4.5 and 5k... and didnt drop to no where near 180 at 6k...
i always thought it was down to FMS head on it!
23-04-2006, 12:15 AM
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Thats pretty sexual looking
I want one, although that clutch is probably worth more than my car Christian and Beccy: sorry to be a C*NT but whatever is actually one word
23-04-2006, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by notSteveS2
its how eva i choose to write it Guvnor...
23-04-2006, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by notSteveS2
its how eva i choose to write it Guvnor...
23-04-2006, 12:18 AM
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just found a very badcopy of it a mad b4 i sold car for my own history like....
it makes 242ftlb at 3750.... slowly drops to 230ftlb till 4250 then carries on slowly droppin down to 190ftlb at 5250
sorry havent got scanner or digi cam here matey
that sound like 1of wot u sed was happenin???
it makes 242ftlb at 3750.... slowly drops to 230ftlb till 4250 then carries on slowly droppin down to 190ftlb at 5250
sorry havent got scanner or digi cam here matey
that sound like 1of wot u sed was happenin???
23-04-2006, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by safechav
Christian and Beccy: sorry to be a C*NT but whatever is actually one word
Just looking at the pictures again, does that clutch actually fit into a standard box
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