Where can i get one of these for my 3dr, tried creative carbon already, anybody know anywhere

 

I am interested in that too

 

 

get mike r too sort it out for you

 

amber performance do them £900

 

not cheap are they

 

not considering there like 400 for the jap cars

 

Speak 2 Mike R mate, he's getting creative carbon 2 make a 3door 1 for my mate in the new year, so if they have an order for a few their more likely to get their fingers out

 

 

coem on guys you know you pay for what you get!

marcus stuff is the best out there! and you must remember your not just paying for the bonnet, your paying for the molds he makes too make the bonnets! how many 3 door bonnets are going too be sold compared too a scooby?

 

Thats down to how many are made and sold thou, plus cos of how big the jap market is!!!! Japan being a big country and all

Shame really if someone took a chance and made them for simialar money alot of ppl would use them cos of the weight u save etc all helps

 

and a mate of mine has just bought a fucking LUSH !!!! 2 door scooby

why do ford owners pay soo much for stuff

 

I agree but Marcus has done 3 door bonnets before has he not, so he shoud have the mold allready or am i missing something..

 

SO much?! its only cosmetic stuff thou an only 1 off stuff thats not in demand.

When u compare prices of parts/repairs servicing/running costs etc cossie arnt really that much

They just break down 2 much

 

he just needs the 1 mold and if he sold em for a proper price he would sell more


just that woth carbon we all think its a "bling" thing and assume that we need to pay more for quality


when the mold is made 900 quid is a steep price for em imo

but aslong as people want em for that then people will sell em for that

remember when M3 look wing mirrors where 400 quid for electric ones as bmw wouldnt sell em over the counter

now look, there 70 quid

 

Yea but then its the cost to make the moulds in the first place!!!!

He has to sell so many to break even from making the moulds etc, and his are shit hot perfect so aint cheap. The problem is he could easily make 50 odd bonnet up but..........if he only sells 10 then struggles with the rest its dead money sitting there!!!

Thats why my friend at work im trying to get to make some carbon stuff up is hesitant to do things, but managed 2 convince him so fingers crossed will have some new stuff soon

Sorry ginge but u dont know how much time effort and materials go into making PROPER carbon stuff!!!!! its not just a case of using 1 sheet and job done
Takes hours and hours 2 do it properly so by the time u add labour to the material costs it aint cheap.
I see what the F1 boys do everyday its not as easy as u think 2 do it properly

 

sell em at the same price as the rice stuff and people will buy em !!!!

tbh id have a fibreglass one and paint it if i knew it was deffo secure

 

yes he has made one,, but has he made a profit from them yet? after all teh labour hours, tooling costs, over heads and materials! and marcus dont use cheap carbon like 90% of the jap stuff

in my eyes its simple,, if you want one,, you gotta pay

 

Toe Knee


beet me too it

 

Yea but its ALWAYS a risk mate, so many ppl say yea i would etc etc and never do!!!

Plus its not his main business is it, he does other things aswell and when ur talkin cam covers/heatshields etc their small things and can be done easily. Bonnets etc take hours and hours just to do the one and get it spot on

Its ok if u have 20 odd employees at ur desposal but im sure he dont

 

most of the fiberglass ones on the market are for race cars,, and believe me, you wouldnt want one of those on your road car!

 

tone,,,,,,,,,, 900 quid in labour

when the mold is made how long LABOUR is in it, dont count the setting time or painters and plasters would have a field day

is carbon harder to stuck in a mold that it is to weld a wing ????

 

init

Fibreglass flex's and cracks 2 easily to be any good for a durable bonnet thats gonna get used/slammed daily and last!!!

 

make one yourself then labour hours will soon be eaten up im telling you!

 

and i would say marcus uses over 300 quids worth of carbon and materials on his bonets

 

Do u know how much a proper mould takes to make?!?!

prob cost him shit loads 2 make one, and as gareth said the materials aint cheap by the time u add good quality carbon and resin etc!!

Bot like paint u can but shit laquer for say £50 for 5L, and £250 for 5L, guess which one is gonna be better

Yes labour costs alot mate, at the end of the day you could say the same about spraying!!!! and takes fookin ages for something like a bonnet trust SLR ones are 8grand!!!!!!!!!! and there nothing special.

£1500 average price to respray a car the same colour most place some are more.

Materials costs i could do it for £200-300 easy so thats £1200 profit each time!!!

Same principles

 

hence why i dont


sorry but welding is a skilled job too, would take me alot longer to learn to weld proper than to use a mold ( after its made remember)


i still get tig welding done for my intercooler with gas blown in for 30 quid


hope you get my point here

the tools for tig welding proper and the time to get it perfect is harder than using a mold for carbon i would have thought


why dont all ally welders charge 300 quid for welding then ???


notice its just the people in the industrys that can that do

ask anyone on here who does welding they all want 80 quid MIN to conver a i/c due to time and effort, go to a guy that makes bespoke weking things for every thing he can ( including welding titainium for skull plate repairs

and he charged me 30 quid as it took him 30 mins

 

yeah but MOST places wont do resprays as there alot more work to sort out and would rater spray 15 wings in half the time for twice the cash

bit like servicing costs and fitting a engine


my point was that carbon BONNET takes how long to make ?????, actual labour AFTER THE MOULD

you dont charge for the price of the spray booths andthe time to build the building though do ya

say what you like 900 quid IS too much for a bonnet for a car thats worth 5k complete

450 for a bonnet for a sierra is about right imo

 

its not just a case of puting it in a mold as ther is the inner structure to think of aswell and im sure you get the vents with it the only 3 door iv seen with one is martin jonstons moonstone 500 so he might be good to ask about them

 

Nope to do it right it will take longer to learn trust me, or they would let any monkey do the F1 cars at our work you wouldnt beleive how many qualifictions u need 2 get in to be able 2 do it!!!!

Welders have a guarenteed income all the time, point still stands on the bonnets being so much as its not his main business and he probably doenst have the time to make up say 10 bonnets to be able 2 sell them a bit cheaper!

If he literally JUST made cossie stuff al lday long im sure it would be alot cheaper

Not arguing mate at the end of the day Tabz does saff ones for £650!!!! but obviously had the time to make them!! if he only made a couple it would be the same sort of price as CC.

I can find out the labour time when i go back 2 work on stuff like that and im sure its more than u think

 

Toe Knee

thats not profit mate,, my mates own a body shop and you would be surpised how many overheads they have insurance, unit, tax, bla bla bla


cos simply there is millions of people out there who are able to do it!

ginge you really talk shit some time mate,,,, you think everything should be cheap, but you cant do it so how can you put a price on it yourself? maybe we all should work for 5.50 an hour

 

f1 carbon is a little different to a bonnet for a road car

im sure the guys who change the tyres aint got the same city and guilds they got when they was banged up in feltham like the kwik fit staff have

i could be wrong though

 

Well yea i know Gaz didnt really go into 2 much detail with that by the time u take off wages aswell it aint that much either

Just pointing out thou the profit before deductions, as the same would apply 2 what they do at creative aswell

 

Yea but he does the same sort of thing himself aswell so your paying for his expertise aswell dont forget

End of day u pay more for a mechanic at sat merc or ferrari then as u say somewhere like quickfit or a small local garage!

 

gareth if a jap bonnet witha vent can be made for less than half the price of a cossie square bonnet then i obviously gonna quiz it


i would still say that after training ect a pannel beater/brick layer works HARDER than a guy sticking carbon in a mould

but its cause people pay it that it happens, not cause of time to make ect, its cause theres no competition out there FACT

 

im not sure about that

 

but is there a difference though in the work !!!!!


working at fords on the back counter i see the staff they have, there all trained by fords so they do the jobs QUICKER than a back street,,,,,, but charge more


not always a better job on the car either , but they have better support

 

b19bal


it boils down too this aswell mate,,,,

you gotta pay for peoples skills!
you dont go too a solicitor for a divorce, and say he's over chraging you because he's done it millions of times

 

Yea but at the end of they day u got the bits of paper and experiance u can charge whatever u want end of

Point still stands mate scoobys are jap cars, and there are millions of them sold world wide and their a modern car so its not much of a risk for a company laying out and making 1000s of them as they WILL sell.

With a 15yr old ford that u wont get any more of, and its hard 2 know who u can trust, and maybe only sell 50 if ur lucky?! = fook all profit!

End of day i could get my friend at work loads of business off here making carbon cossie stuff, and he could prob make bonnets etc at a resonable price and make it his main business BUT its a huge risk cos of messer who change their mind!!

and again it comes to the fact 1 or a few people it takes a long time to make 1 bonnet, in a factory in japan with 100s of employees banging them out it dont, simple economics

 

have you done both panel beating/brick laying and carbon fiber work?

NO so now you are assuming

and you have to define HARDER, i think a brick layer works manually harder than a accountant, but who get paid the most?

come on ginge you communist