And I mean the ACTUAL law, not just the hearsay law.....

Whats happens if you are caught without an MoT certificate? IE, producer etc...

 

you get a fine, its non endorsable though so just like a seat belt offence

look on dvla's web site for info

i belive it might still be a 30 quid fine too but not too sure on that

 

if they want to be funny they can say your NOT insured also

 

No MOT, means no insurance and this in turn means Tax is void too.

 

i got done the other week no mot is 30 fine 30 pounds cort costs

 

According to http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/28.htm, the maximum fine below.

No MOT certificate £1,000

 

Lol.. While there check these out..

Dangerous cycling £2,500

Careless cycling £1,000

Cycling on pavement £500

 

I have been caught a before and just been given a warning although you are meant to be given a fine, think its £30 as said above. Apparently in the future you may get 3 points although this is like you say hearsay.

 

they WONT do you for no insurance, this is hear say as all you need to say is you forgot to renew and then they can just do you for a fine


as car tax IS NOTHING TO DO WITH DVLA that is also total and UTTER shite too, tax is to do with customs and excise and so the summons would be on another date and not be linked, but like robbing a bank with no insurance

you get the done for the robbery and then the no insurance on another court date

THIS IS FROM EXPERIENCE OF DRIVING A CAR WITH NO INSURANCE AND NO TAX !!!

got done for both and went to court on 2 dates

 

I got caught out with no MoT from a producer, was 6 weeks out of date, I hadn't realised. I got a new MoT done right away and took it with me for the producer, they said I'd be hearing from them. A couple of months later got a letter saying they decided not to prosecute me.

Result

 

The New online MOT has thrown up something interesting.

If you go early for an MOT to give yourself time to sort everything out before the current one runs out, you are now wasting your time.

If the car fails its, recorded online as a failure, if your plate is checked whilst you are out on the road you Could be done, if they bring in automatic issuing of fines for no tax or mot, You Will Be done.

The fact you have an apparently valid MOT beyond the fail date is now irrelevant.

I know nothing has changed from before if you failed , but at least you could still appear to be legal.

 

my mate got stoped and had no MOT ( didnt relise it had run out ) he got told to get it MOT'ed and take the MOT slip to the police staion wiht in 7days and they would take it no further

 

i allways used to get mine done early incase it failed on anything major that way ive got time to fix it but its a waste of time now then! mines due soon i think!

 

its not a waste of time at all

if you had a mot and then the tyre was bald then you would still have got done

the fact the cars got a mot alread WOULD cover you as way of a legal loop hole

people worry too much and talk shite to infect others minds with total and utter bollocks thats all shite


stop "thinking" and actually get the fucking facts , if you dont have em then shut up ffs, that way we all LEARN

 

In the event of an accident however your insurance company can declare the policy void and refuse to pay out. This is not hear say as I know somebody this happened to

 

I got pulled a couple of years ago and realised my mot had run out,so i got it done that day and took it to the dibble and said i couldn`t find my old one so i`d had it redone.......They were quite happy with that....

 

Some people talk boolocks all the time.

 

For the MOT the tyre must have 1.6mm across the ccentre 3/4 of th tyre (iirc). You could pass the MOT with all four tyres low on the inside edges drive straight out the garage and then cop 3points and a grand fine per tyre.

 

Thanks for the info chaps.

My MoT expired on the 18th and there's no way I can get one before the end of the year, and unlikely I can get one before the end of January!

To be honest, it probably won't pass (needs new ball joint on front and a rear wheel bearing) and it's gonna cost too much to fix and get thru comparred to the value of the car! Cars only worth £150 FFS!

I know it's wrong, but I am pondering just chancing it - I got tax up till the end of May and by that time I will probably have found a half decent car that I want - I only got this one cos I suddenly realised I needed a car 2 days before my works van was returned when I left Autoglass!

 

so steve you know someone who had a early MOT done and even though his car had a MOT he had a crash and he got told there was NO mot

or are you saying he had a new style early MOT done and he never got paied out

need to hear more details as if he was comming from the MOT station to get it fixed as hes car did not pass then he CAN NOT be held responsable


IF how ever he had a crash after being told his floor has nothing but rust and all his brake fluid was missing and 4 days later he was on his way to work in the same death trap even though he had a MOt from 11 months ealier then HE SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING THE CAR< ITS HES FAULT

the mot is ment to prove the car IS safe and well looked after, not a test for old bangers to scrap a pass by the skin of there teeth with minor work

thats why the mot thing is problematin imo

but in all honesty i cant see how legally they can do anything for not having a MOT as the car DOES have one

the car not being road worthy and dangerous to drive is obviously a matter thats different, again just like a bald tyre



btw if a car fails a MOT for having no brakes and bald tyres you are still legally allowed to drive the car home aswell as take it o a garage to get the work done to it and the unsurance company can not say anything

 

sorry mate where do you work ?????


i am curantly working on the back counter at fords,,,,,,, that means i supply all the parts to the mechanics and speak to all the MOT testers all fucking day long


do you work at a proper MOT governed place ??????

intersted to see where you work

 

No his MOT lapsed and he didn't realise (he's a dopey fucker ) and was envolved in a minor shunt. As the car had no valid MOT his insurance company declared his polic null and void and refused to pay out

 

matt thats the strange one though, ok you wont get shafted as the law aint harsh on it

but driving a car thats unroad worthy is different, a wheel bearing and ball joint on a mk3 orion aint gonna cost alot, bearing from that place on lea bridge road would cost 10 quid and a lower arm from AM panels os like 15 quid if i recall properly

thats a false economy imo as you risking a fine with potentially what could ( even though its sooo fucking small) be someones life

using a car with no MOT to move to a garage or pick up ect aint as bad imo as using a car every day thats known to have problems

the MOT is such a shite test and to fail it IS anoying BUT for the sake of 100 quid TOPS i would do it


you desision though and tbh im not casting a judgement as ive used loads of cars with no mot's before but i wouldnt use it knowing of problems

hope you understand what i mean

 

whats that got to do with the new MOT system


thats jsut insurance companys doing what they have a right to do, its what they are paied to do, a person who dont know when there MOT expires prob dont look after his car properly


BTW the insurance company HAS TO PAY OUT THE OTHER PERSON for there damage and then they claim the money back off you, just like if you had a crash when drunk

 

The information was supplied by T.C Harrison FORD DEALER of Derby in advising a collegue NOT To drive a Transit Connect that had just failed an MOT even though the van is not 3 years old until January. (pin hole in a drive shaft gaitor)

Why can Ford and their dealers Not supply a drive shaft gaitor for one of their best selling vans, 5 working days back order.?

We hired a Vauxhall until January.

 

cause they have put it on a stock order as all 24 hour orders are supject toa 15% VOR charge and then they make about 15% profit on the amount

ive got em in stock if he fancys poping it down

maybe he needs to use a real for dealer with a nationwide network rather than a franchise, then no matter what pat he needs there 75 places and fords where house in daventry who would have access it to it within 24 hours

 

thats called a mechanic talking out of his arse as hes nit sure so what he does is warn you of the worst and then he cant be held responsable

fact of the matter the court would ask if there was a MOT and the answer would be its not at the age where it needs one, they wont even ask about it failing as vans are allowed free PRE mot's and even if they fail you can still drive it home


just cause alot of idiots on here try to make out im stupid, dont for one second think that i really am, i comment on most things where some would just ignore the posts

 

They ordered 24hr, the wrong one came from Ford, the correct one is on back order at Ford.

No other nearby dealers had them.

 

Ok some utter bollocks has been posted once again

There is varying level of prosecution and as said there is a maximum fine of £1000 and no insurance as well. For a fine of whats classed as the usual £30 and court costs, this is usually for an mot that is out of date by only a short time.

However a car out of date say 18 months will likely receive a higher fine and may also get done for no insurance if there policy states on the certificate "insurance void in the event of no valid Mot" Also attitude comes into the levi of fine ie.. someone who appologises to the court will receive a more lenient fine.

Oranaco case is actually a very common thing these days and they do not have to pay out the other person if a fault accident as the contract between yourself and the insurance company may state this in the small print, im sure the greenlight guy on here will confirm this. I would suggest some people actually read there insurance documents.

Thrush I would suggest you book an mot for sometime in january and then reschedule it, it will look better if you are stopped as you are seen to be doing something about it. Ignorance is no defense unfortunately.

 

So when the electonic MOT system runs into its second year, a failure near the end of the current one wont cancel the existing one?

Risk it if you like, I'm just offering advise to those that are willing to listen to sense.

 

tony discribe short period of time


a car thats had NO mot for 18 months would also have no tax and so i doubt there is ANY form of insurance

now SHOW ME PROOF of SOMEONE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW whos had a first time offence fine of that nature


i know of alot of people being done for 30 quid,,,,,,,,,,,,, 1 for a car that expired 5 months earlier


you sure your not quoting the guide lines and not whats actually happened ????


serious question as mine IS from experience

i also got a 100 quid fine and 9 points for doing 64 average in a 30 with a car that had no insurance and i never had a licence adn iw as 300 miles from home


tbh i thought the offence was very very leanient considering the circumstances ,,,,,,,,,,,,, the insurance on the car was 2k the cheepest quote i got too


dont get me wrong, im not proud NOR would i ever do suh a thing a gain, we all do things when where young, i just went further than most


thats why im wondering where your info comes from ????

 

BUT your advice is wrong !!!!!


so your giving lies and scaring people for no reason, how can that be help

id rather you said NOTHING that gave the wrong advice



oh and tony 1 more thing, fines introduced by the court are based on income, they cant fine you a amout of money that you can not afford and so you will never get a 600 quid fine for no MOT when theres mor serious offences out there that give less

 

Time will tell.

 

Im currently doing my legal practice course to become a solicitor. My information comes from the belfast courts. I never said anyone got a £1000 or £400 fine for a first time offence. I said a higher fine will be enforced (ie higher than £30)as will previous offences be taken into account.

As for your point about 18 months and no insurance etc.. that may well be true, the police wont decide on the spot what to charge you with, they decide after you produce all your documents. They make a recommendation to the CPS and it is they who decide.

Motoring fines tend to be around the same levels as is the sentencing for offences, this is a rule of precident ie.. as decisions in previous cases are binding, judges will usually set the same fines for each case. So if you done the same offence as me and I got fined £5000 more than you I could challenge it.

 

look just admit you was giving the wrong infomation

hell i get it all the time too, not wanting it to be true so you are not wrong will not change the matter


buy some lego, buikd a brige and get over it, hell i have to on mist topics on passionford

 

yeah but if you got fines 5 grand and had a personal income of 200k a year and i was on the dole then why would they issue a 5 grand fine

the fines are also based on income to match the same penalty, 600 quid is alot of cash to a person whos paying a 2k a month morgage on a 38k a year wage but for a person who lives at home with his mum on 80k a year aint the same so the punishment aint the same


thats how court fines work i think you will find

 

You have taken my comment totally out of context. I hope some see what I was saying. This is actually the last im gonna bother posting on this subject. I am not even going to bother answering about 80k, 200k incomes or any of that.

There is many things that are taken into account when fines are considered. They just arent plucked out of the air, there is attitude of defendant, previous record, severity of fine, failing to appear, co-operating with police etc... Thus if on the same day 2 people with identical offences and backgrounds where fined and one got a substantially higher fine than the other then it could be challenged.... hence the reading of the defendants circumstances by your solicitor when the fine is read out.

Thrush as said for £30 or whatever an mot costs book it and be safer or run the risk of getting done. If you have an mot its end of discussion.

 

tony inwas replying as i took the comment of people talking bollox as a comment based at me

what you type is obviously correct, i was pointing out that with that taken into consideration it means that the likely hood of matt being given a 1000k fine and also done for no insurance is sooo small


please dont think it was aimed as a dig with the , that was just to highlight there are other curcumstances that are taken to it aswell


i am not trying to belittle you nor am i trying to make it as f you are wrong, you are not at all


cheers for the reply and the comment, if that was posted before ALL of use ( including me) had posted then we added the personal experinece then im sure the post would have been better laid out


i say for the sake of100 quid matt get a MOT, some times people aint cut out for "playing " the system and most cant handle when thet get caught,,,,,,,,,, thats the reason why i no longer drive with any imperfection as i ALWAYS shout the loadest when im caught and when i last got done and it was a UNFAIR trail it showed me just how unfair and bollox ths system can be

once again tony i appologise for offending you

 

On a different slant regarding MOT's. what excacly is the position regarding removing a Cat after passing the test. There must be loads of us putting it on once a years then taking it off, I have yet to see mr plod test a car but I believe some do carry test kits.
What would the offence be ?, is it a fixed penalty ?
Obviously you can't claim it passed the MOT, or if you do your going to cause big problems for the MOT station. As I am quite freindly with my local MOT station I would not do this to them.

ANY THOUGHTS ?

 

VOSA actually patrol now too and can test the car, if it fails you get fined , simple as really