thinking of doing it to mine, wondering what others have done and what should i be aware of ect

i was thinking of using a sierra 1.8 servo and just removing the pump and redoing the pipe to the brakes via T peices onthe inner wings

anyone else got any hints and what would cause problems ect

 

i'm gonna do it on my escos, know someone who has done it on his already and had no probs! he just used a 2.0 sierra setup, its sooo much more simple than crappy ABS.

i've never had ABS before so why should i need it now? dosent work on my saff

 

why not do it nice with a twin master cylinder set-up with pedal box

 

cause gareth i want it looking like a normal car ( as well as me being a pikey tight arse fooker too )

oh and soon i will need cam timing advice, just waiting for the tensioner to arrive at work then unblock me from MSN


btw i want mine removed as ive just been told my car wont pass a mot as i dont have a abs light,,,,,,,,,,,, as i removed it and fitted a gauge

 

thats the real reason

Your not on block mate

 

i know, just thought it would be funny and give you advance notice of my plans


as for the pedal box idea, tbh its alot to do with the end result look that i want and the fact i dont wanna take anything else off the car ( if i put up pictures of our little girls room you would understand )

besides its not easy fitting em,,,,,,, remember its taken me 5 months to buy a engine and fit it,,,,,,,,,,, well actualy al ive done is bought one and fit it in the engine bay or me tennis cabrio


i need to get it done before the tax runs out or the invent hover cars

 

i think you might have problems with brake balance

ps your on block now

 

i did wonder about the bias on the car but was hoping my 355 brembos on the front would help me alittle

 

buy a pedal box you tight arse

 

gareth its not just the pedal box though, its the fitting of it and making it look tidy


the servo off a 2.0 will be a straight fit ( also as i work at fords i can buy it all new )

just not sure if it will move the fluid for 4 pot 12ins calipers

 

Yuo ever driven with a pedal box on the road Gareth?

It's awful - no servo assistance makes it very "interesting" to use!

Only go pedal box on track/race car.

 

yeah gareth thats why im not gonna go pedal box, forgot about the servo assistance thingy

on a serious note whos done it and why dont more people do it ( considering loads of people fit a switch on the ABS to turn it off )

 

TBH ive driven a couple of rally cars with pedal boxes so you are right

 

The only thing I would say is.... MOT !

And also, the ABS isnt working on my 3 door... and I locked it up the other day in the wet.. it wasnt pleasant...

Thinking... I really must get the ABS sorted as I slid towards the back of a lorry......

 

The ABS system on the Cossie isn't too bad. If it was the shitty RST system I would say bin it without hesistation. But on your Cossie I would leave well alone.

 

does the car fail its MOT if the abs light is on then?

 

Yep.

Mind you they don't test the function of the ABS just that the warning light operates as it should

 

The light should come on with the ignition and then go off within 30 seconds of the vehicle starting

Luckily, on a 3 Door they are sooo small that a lot of testers dont know they are there.... like mine last week phew.....

 

Mine just passed MoT with ABS light on!

Then again the horn didn't work and it passed that, even when I told them the horn didn't work when I took it to be MoT'd

 

bollox. Mine doesnt go out. used to buit has stays on now. cleaned all wheel sensors but cant think if anything else to try.

 

tbh if the ABS light is on it means theres a problem with the ABS, now personally mien comes on and goes off all the time, hence why i fitted a ACT gauge there

but on electronic ABS the light has to come on and go out within 20 seconds on a saph cossie or its a fail and the sensors are 90 quid each


now thats alot of cash for a old system that ALWAYS goes wrong and dont work proper

so thats why i wanna remove it, if its all taken away then you cant fail a MOT on it anymore

 

When my old Saff had the light on all the time, I stuck a bit of black tape over the dash to cover up the light as if you're looking at the clocks ect square on, and they never noticed

 

Wire them to your oil pressure light

Mark

 

i would wanna sort it out properly though TBH. Can you get some sort of diagnostics?

 

i got my cossie back last week and havent driven one for ages. The abs light stays on so obviously is fucked. Similar to Neil above i was heading towards traffic lights and they turned red so i braked but it was pissing with rain and the car just slid! i let off and back on brakes a couple times and i stopped. NOT a nice feeling!
I dont know if it locked up because i have big brakes all round and i was too hard on the pedal. Im just not used to what they can do!

Any advice on how to fault find/fix would be nice.


chop

 

The ABS is essential if you drive fast .

Was at Brunters when a Cossie did a Topspeed run with ABS not working, he took a very dangerous trip into the car park.
5th gear would have been a memorial programme if it was not on mine thats for sure. It was fitted for a reason lads & they may just know a tad more than you guys.
Rod

 

rod its 15 year old technology though, how good are cossie brakes compared to evo's

what brakes do you have on your car if ford know soooo much ????

why have a old abs system thats not like a volvo or even a transit that all it ever does is pack up and theres no diagnostic check so all you can do is replace parts and test

thats 90 quid a sensor then the pump then the ecu,,,,,,,, not thats not avaiable anymore here

oh and what has 200mph got to do with this here, not quite the same thing is it

doing 200mph in 2 miles requires different braking to a road going cossie, well actually i dont know tbh as ive not done it but im sure you could reply to that

if you can do 165 in a erst with NO abs then im sure doing 130 in a cossie will be fine


so back on topic whos done it and what was the things to consider

 

But how much newer are Evo's etc. Things move quickly, in their day the Cossie brakes were pretty good. In their days standard S1 brakes were deemed ok now most people consider them to be utter bollocks

I don't suppose Ford were expecting some loon to be running one of their cars at 200mph. Think it would be pretty safe during the build the thought of better brakes cropped up a few times fairly high up the jobs to do list.

I always thought the system on the Cossie was pretty good from experience. Don't know many people that have had problems with it

But the ABS on RST's is utter bollocks so removing it is usually a very good idea. I don't think Christians brakes are exactly stock with just the ABS lopped off

 

oranoco HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE REPLIED SAYING THERE ABS AINT WORKING !!!!

what does that tell you

the ABS system on the cossie is shite and its never removed as its a paint to remove where the ABS on a erst just unbolts

 

I have never read so much rubbish in my life as im reading on here.

The Ford ABS system is FAR from unreliable. It is in fact VERY reliable, one of THE most reliable systems in use today in fact as its a very very simple one based on a simple waveform balancing circuit. You have got old cars for christs sake with old wiring, ask people who had these cars when they were newer if they had problems with the ABS, the answer will be NO!. When things do go wrong. fixing the system really is childs play, take it to someone who GENUINELY knows what hes doing with them and it will likely be fixed within a couple of hours. Dont rip the whole system off and fooking bin it for christs sake!!

And dont fit 15yr old used parts and moan they are unreliable when they die on you AGAIN, like the 15yr old one you took off, fit fooking new ones!! These items have taken FIFTEEN YEARS of abuse before they failed. Is that unreliable? Is it fook!!

Also:
Beware. The ABS light comes on with ANY circuit resistance or failure, one very common one is corrosion in the abs accumulator pressure switch, if that sensor fails suddenly you will lose ALL pump assistance and you very likely WILL crash the car, and possible kill people. Putting tape over a safety light that has doine its job and illuminated to tell you your brakes are possibly about to fail really takes the biscuit for me!!

 

stu my ABS still makes random pump noises BUT its never worked like a new ford and tbh ive driven sierras with NO ABS and never found a problem with it

the fact that soo many on here have replied there ABS light comes on ect tells me it may be old and thats why it failed but then at 350 quid for sensors and then you need to check the rest tbh for me you know i dont brake hard or require instant braking so unless there would be a pedal travel problem then i really dont see the point in me having it

as for getting someone to look at it that understands it,,,,,, i work at fords and the techs there said they could fix it,,,,,,,, then asked if it was mechanical or electrical on th cossie


the fact is its a old system and not many people wanted to understand em and so finding someone like kenny or you who do understand it in central london is some what tough

more difficult now as all cars just plug in a lap top and test the system so if theres hard work involved then generally you wont get the issue solved


remove the ABS and that problem is solved, no chance of brakes failing and also no need for a moody MOT

 

Well said Stu The cossie ABS is very good.

BUT it must effect the system if you use bigger brakes?My car now seems like its struggling to keep up with huge stops..LOL.

 

the ABS system is very good but soo many seem to have a system that dont work ???

 

just use a bloody switch

 

jim use a switch

ive got a can that the front end is in bits, i can remove the WHOLE system from the car as mine seems to have a problem thats not the pump and i really dont wanna go fault finding for the MOT you sugest using a switch


how does that fix the problem , may as well just get the MOT passed with the faulty ABS

 

ah, so you dont want to remove it because you prefer non-assisted braking, you want to do it because you dont want to FIX it

sounds like the sort of thing i'd used to do

 

...ginge you thought of selling the Cossie and goin for a 1.6GL?

 

Count em. Theres a massive FOUR people. Deffo conclusive evidence then eh? Want to call my bluff and try a poll to prove your point?

How hard it is to fix is irrelevant to me Ginge so im not even going to argue the toss with you about it. The fact is simple, you can afford to run a car properly or you cant. Take your pick. Were not talking about the ability to stand the cost of a new Hybrid stage 17 T5 Turbo. We are talking about the ability to stop your 160MPH Sports car if The M6 suddenly comes to a halt on you due to an accident, or in the wet someone else loses control in front of you and you need to stop... or you round a bend on a fast A road to an an overturned caravan. YOU NEED TO FOOKING STOP FAST IN AN EMERGENCY. The fact you dont drive like a loon is here nor fooking there IMO.

Theres VERY few people in the world, who in an emergency situation can corrently caddence brake. Me included once... i remember jamming on in one terrifying situation and tortured myself over it ever since as it was a bad display of driving on my part, even though i was alone and didnt hit anything. Its a fact that Caddence braking under pressure in an emergency is a VERY rare skill, and thats why Automatic Caddence braking systems were developed.

I may, if theres enough interest, do a topic on how to test and repair the main faults on these systems if enough peeps are interested. It really is quite simple normally.

 

Got to be worthwhile imho and before anybody says it I know I don't have a Cossie.

 

no jim i want to remove it cause ive never needed it, ive never found the benifit if ABS as its never worked, i havent crashed the car yet nor locked it up and run over a old lady so instead of repairing it and then saying
" fook me that feels no different at all to how i drive"

im just gonna remove it and fit a BRAND NEW sierra servo thats non ABS and fit is correctly with all new pipes and all new fluid

not quite the same as taping over lights or sticking parts down woith gaffer tape to hold it in position

just like im fitting a brand new loom to he car, every clip and fitment under the engine bay is brand new and any parts that could be replaced anyway have been done like the steering UJ that was causing the funny camber issues in the car that everyone never managed to notice but me and on looking at it i discovered the rubbers are split in it making the delayed steering responce


the reference to bodging a car like you used to takes the piss considering the cash ive spent on this car in the last 4 months

just like my runabout cabrio had a loose feel to it and so instead of finding the issues ive fitted a new steering rack and tie rods, all steering colum bushes and covers, brand new track control arms, all new bushes and new wheel bearings

not quite bodged there either