Should the organisers let it happen. Remember that track days are for everyone and i feel that drifters although good for entertainment value put other drivers at risk.

maybe there should just be a drifting session for people to play on.

Your thoughts?

 

no, not anymore.









Dave.

 

I think they have done this before at Knockhill. They had a drifting competition.

G

 

i think youre right. drifting is v entertaining.
they should definately allocate some time to drifters. its part of controlling your car. if you start to loose it on a bend you need to know how to get out of trouble. this time could be used as training. i think races could be less dangerous if people knew excactly how thier car behaves

 

Yes or no.

Make that clear before you accept bookings.

That way the two different styles can choose which track days suit them

 

Yeah thats a good idea.

 

I'm very opinionated on this.

I don't mind it in places as I do it, HOWEVER, I have the common courtesy to make sure that there is no-one around, and I only really do it at Bedford where there is nothing to hit.

At the same time, I have seen people "attempt" to drift when there are cars both in front and behind them, and it's dangerous. The bottom line is, whilst spectacular, drifiting is the slowest way round the corner, and with people on slicks, approaching speeds can be huge mid corner.

It is only a matter of time before one party comes together with another where one is drifting, and one isn't.

 

no not at a trackday...

drifiting is slow round bend... so in a low power car where your fun is on the bend you don't get to play!!!


Alex

 

it not a race day though,well some people think it is.

its a track day,supposed to be fun for everyone who has paid to do it.




Dave.

 

Exactly everyone has paid to have fun, but could this fun be taken away from the people who don't want to drift when someone else sticks it in the kitty litter and ends the session or even someones car/life

 

Did you go to the rsoc at Donno this year.

Don't think i seen one car drifting and getting it wrong and going into the gravel........as for the track cars on slicks.....


Say no more....


they spoilt the fun for the others.



Dave.

 

should have their own group to drift in, as im a big fan of the japanese sport

 

Dangerous and slow.

Depends what you class as drifting though does it not ?

 

some of the top drifters enter the fast corners at 130mph+

IMO they should allow it IF its people who are known as good, and IFthey only drift at times when they not in anyones way.

TRAX this year was a fine example, they let Phil Morrison etc etc drift there and they held nobody up, infact their cars was faster than many on the track

 

PMSL. Very good point I suppose it isn't always the drifters that get it wrong.

 

Supposed its just getting it sideways around a bend, not doing what the jap drivers do.



Dave.

 

No it shouldnt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Id paid to go on track at TRAX (Porkie can vouch for this) we had done 3laps with drifters on,then 1 of the twats stacked it,and we lost out session!!!!!!!!!!

Give them there own time,and let them get on with it i say!!!!!!!

Pete....

 

^^ like i said have their own session. i just blame it on the brits not being into the sport enough to really do it properly

 

D1 is drifting to the extreme. I talking about people who want to learn to drift and use track days as the playground. If its a slide that the car has ended in as its being pushed to limit then surely thats not controlled.

the people trying to teach themselves the scandinavian flick is a no no in my eyes.

 

Come on Steve, stop twisting it.

Yes, the entry speed maybe that fast, but the apex speed is signifcantly down on anyone taking the corner "properly".

Also agree with Dingy though - what do you class as drifting? Full bore "attempts" like Dave at Combe, or just power oversteer through corners?

 

Fozy,


Being totally honest.....


Do you think that that the 'so called drifters' cause MORE track time offs than normal track cars.

imo, i think there are more offs with the normal drivers getting it wrong with the slicks and people making mistakes,not braking in time etc...



Dave.

 

let them have there own session, normal and drifting sessions, then ya knwo what ya buying nad have the choice to be in or out IMO


erm so if its ya first track day then ya not allowed OR if ya not a megga poster and show off to the world with ya D1 drifiting team sticker on ya plate then ya not allowed

hell if thats the idea then lets only allow people on track that are known not to crash, make it 5 cars per track to save the offs too


unless i read the post wrong

 

Nothing wrong with a bit of power over steering i say, as long as your on your own in case you mess up

 

twice in a nice rich - you on drugs ?

Scandie flick is for gravel and loose surfaces not for tarmac.

Drifting is not the fastest why round the bend no matter how fast the drift is hence its slow.

Anyone want to argue then fine....

Rally cars on tarmac don't drift
F1 Cars don't drift

2 examples of tarmac for timed speed events.

 

im learning to drift though keiichi tsuchiya, in his drift bible so ill be safe hehe

 

and look what happens when you mess up.



Dave.

 

pon has had more offs than most of us put together

 

definately not.. if they want to do it get their own sessions..

same goes for people trying to overtack on bends or being on my rear quarter round bends so i cant take the racing line like yesterday at brands

 

Andy,


who do you want on track with you then.

Drifters or racing drivers.



Dave.

 

http://www.matt.bell.dsl.pipex.com/DingyDonuts2.MPG


mine slow drifting

 

^^^^ thats not exactly drifting. search for ken nomura and see the master in action driving a 600+rwd skyline

 

Its hard to say. Yes there are a lot of offs on normal driving, but thats down to people not knowing what they are doing. And i'm sure as drifting evolves we'll see more occurences. I just feeling drifting is a little bit more of an uncontrolled state.

 

To be fair Steve i think your on about the pro drifters...

Not people who just have a 2wd saff etc etc who wanna get the arse end out on the corner

I Say NO, as said it IS the slowest way around the corner, Pro or not

 

What more is there to say.

Give the drifters their own track time, they will have MORE track time thatway.

There are times to do drifting,when safe to do so etc...and deffo need to be on the right track for when it goes wrong.





Dave.

 

Not pro's, just the good ones in the UK.

Like said, people who know what they doing, not some spacco in a saff, if they leave enough room they not holding anyone up, as per TRAX

 

There's a clip on here somewhere from Castle Combe rally day.

Three cars in a line, and a yellow scoob does a scandinavian flick entering Camp. Completely pointless, and a total waste of time.

And what is the point in referring to Japanese pro-drifters. If you're that good, and I've seen plenty of drifting, then go do it in the D1 series, and leave track cars alone on track days.

 

So we've reached an answer. Put the drifters on the track with their own time

Certainly difficult to please everyone.

 

I only Said saff as it was the first car in my mind....


I mean all rwd and 4x4's in general


Still dont think it should be allowed

AS much fun it is doing it, its a track day not a drift day

 

Drift sessions will never happen on a normal track day, as it will put paid to open pitlane, and it'll make a mockery of the session format.

No serious trackday (and by that I mean the proper expensive £299 a day ones) entertain that nonsense. It's only when the chavs come out and it's cheap enough

 

its is.

thats why there is a mixture of people doing what they want to do on their trackday what they have paid to do.

People who organise the track days just want to fill them up asap so they will want anyone to buy the track time.



Dave.