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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 05:09 PM
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as title really is it legal and has any body got any pictures of the set up???????
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 05:17 PM
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have a zoo one thats hidden in the centre console
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 05:22 PM
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no its not , and you know what mine looks like
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 06:16 PM
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post some pics then brom because i left my no yesterday at zoo and no 1 has called me back
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 08:34 PM
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If you have the PF with Martin's Escort on the front cover, then it has pictures of the conversion in all it's glory. All you have to do then, is imagine it enclosed by the console.

I have taken mine to two different MOT stations now, and they either chose to ignore it, or didn't spot it...
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 08:50 PM
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Its Not legal to have a car with no Handbrake cable....

The H-HB on my car has passed the MOT 10 times NO hassles
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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what brakes r on the rear of yours gaybird????????
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 08:55 PM
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Reyland fitted titanium pistoned ex-Ford works WRC AP 4 pots with in-car AP adjustable bias lever (hidden in centre console).
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 08:59 PM
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Pictures are on computer at work, but can post up tomorrow (if I remeber ).
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THey are AP Rally Rears

CP3620 same as mine....totally illegal
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 09:19 PM
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THey are AP Rally Rears

CP3620 same as mine....totally illegal
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 09:53 PM
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vauxhal vectras come with hydraulic handbrakes as standard
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Originally Posted by stevo
vauxhal vectras come with hydraulic handbrakes as standard
nope they don't, they have electro-hydraulic PAS.
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Old Jun 23, 2004 | 10:21 PM
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shut it fat boye.
when one of company cars got serviced they informed me they relace the handbrake fluid
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this is mikes one without console fitted, its the original reyland one!
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and another! the conversion has been modified since these pics but still looks similar.
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 08:31 AM
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looks proper
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Ryan,
That's because it is - I only wish I had the WRC centre diff that releases the drive to the front wheels when you pull on the handbrake ! With it on, you certainly wouldn't be able to move the car .
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Mark,

If it's illegal, then how does your car LEGALLY drive between stages?

To compete in rallying, the vehicle must be roadworthy, taxed, and MOT'd.....
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how rally cars and many many cars get through it is 3 options

1. Fit a second mechanical handbrake calliper.
2. drill a hole through each pads and link a simple cable wire to it and hook it up to the handbrake.
3. Have a friendly MOT technician.
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Originally Posted by dingy
Its Not legal to have a car with no Handbrake cable....

The H-HB on my car has passed the MOT 10 times NO hassles
I thought it's perfecly legal as long as the handbrake system is a seperate system to the normal braking system.

So a hydrulic handbrake system running a another set of rear calipers on it's own circuit is ok..........??
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no dan mate.

For it to pass and MOT 100% legally the handbrake has to be cable operated is some shape or form. Having hydrualic is fine, but you have to have a cable operated one for saftey.
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For it to pass and MOT 100% legally the handbrake has to be cable operated is some shape or form. Having hydrualic is fine, but you have to have a cable operated one for saftey.
i dont think thats true,, i think you just need a seperate form of locking the brakes
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 09:56 AM
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Needs to be a cable mate, just asked the MOT bloke
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 09:58 AM
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dingy,

hasnt bwm got an electronic handbrake though?
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 10:00 AM
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I heard it doesn't have to be cable operated as long as it's mechanical - ie not hydraulic. rod operated etc would be fine (although why you'd want to i have no idea)

ditto richpon's question to mark though... ?
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PON, mine is MOT'd

No cable :'(
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 11:04 AM
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I know Steve.

My brother's saff is MOT'd - hydraulic handbrake, no cable.

The 205 rally car was MOT'd and road legal - no cable.
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been through this with my fiesta, a scruitineer spotted i had no cables although it passed an MOT.

the law states you have to have a "direct mechanical way of locking 2 wheels on the car. (cables or rods)

ive got rount it by leaving the standard handbrake as cables and fitting a WRC lever for the hydraulic system.
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gus was out all day yesterday colecting jag diffs
now got 4 in stock
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Old Jun 24, 2004 | 01:27 PM
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Cool Brom - should have a few more on the way
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
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That's because it is - I only wish I had the WRC centre diff that releases the drive to the front wheels when you pull on the handbrake ! With it on, you certainly wouldn't be able to move the car .
sure that's not releases drive to the rear wheels....??
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brom so do u have any pics then m8?????????????
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
To compete in rallying, the vehicle must be roadworthy, taxed, and MOT'd.....
Not splitting hairs Rich but thats not 100% true.

If you only compete on single venue multi use rally's then there is no requirement for either tax or MOT. The roadworthyness of the vehicle is then down to either the individual or the scruitineer who checks it.
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do you have febs pf
there in there mate
or i can take one of my 3door but thats not designed to go in a centre console the one in the mag is
the brakets £60
the ap cylinders are £120 and the prop valve is £145
all ap stuff
am takin it your running big calipers on the back hence the valve needed
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Mike Rainbird,
I only wish I had the WRC centre diff that releases the drive to the front wheels when you pull on the handbrake ! With it on, you certainly wouldn't be able to move the car .
then it wouldnt fit in your centre console mike !!

RichardPON,
If it's illegal, then how does your car LEGALLY drive between stages
tbh m8 - it doesnt !!! - its illegal

the MOT law states that a "secondry mechanical braking device must be fitted "

Ryan,
how rally cars and many many cars get through it is 3 options
3. Have a friendly MOT technician.


bert,
been through this with my fiesta, a scruitineer spotted i had no cables although it passed an MOT.
scrutineers do have the right to turn you away for non-compliance if the see fit , i know someone who it happened to on a rally
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