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Old Apr 13, 2020 | 04:08 PM
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does anyone know how these work. Mine has stopped working properly. The warning light flashes a few times the goes off.

I've got an earth and 5volts. Is this right. I've had a look at the sensor and can't see how it works. There is a bit of metal on the flap part of the sensor. Does this rise up and something inside the sensor reckonise it?

I just wanna confirm its the sensor.

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Old Apr 13, 2020 | 07:27 PM
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I think it's a reed switch and magnet set up, but don't know 100%.

Should be 12V though, sounds like the switch has too much resistance and will need changing to me.
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Old Apr 13, 2020 | 07:37 PM
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Is it 5v with it plugged in Glenn? What voltage you got on the plug with it disconnected?
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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 10:24 AM
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Yes I've got 5 volts when it's unplugged. I've ordered a new old stock switch to try. The wire from the warning module in the dash to the sensor is OK too.


If it doesn't cure it I will just take the bulb out ha ha. I just like things to work.
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Yep it's handy little warning light to have defo get it working if you can. I had a pipe split on my coolant circuit on my 3dr and level light came on to warn me before temps had even started to rise. They should have all had em imo.
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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 03:38 PM
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Your thinking of the coolant low sensor not the washer jet/fluid low sensor.
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Yep sorry thought you were going on about the coolant level sensor.
Screen wash level is handy to lol....
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Not sure if the 2wd Saff has one but I have never noticed it?
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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 07:38 PM
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If the sensor is disconnected the light will flash a few times and then go off. If you have checked that you have 5V and ground at the plug at the loom that is good. You can also measure the electrical resistance of the sensor. In both high and low states it should not give infinity.
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
Not sure if the 2wd Saff has one but I have never noticed it?
Yes, it does.

It’s next to the fuel light, unless you are talking about coolant. If so no, only the MK1 had it.

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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Marc sierra
If the sensor is disconnected the light will flash a few times and then go off. If you have checked that you have 5V and ground at the plug at the loom that is good. You can also measure the electrical resistance of the sensor. In both high and low states it should not give infinity.

Yes the light is flashing a few times then it goes off. I hope its a faulty sensor.
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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 07:54 PM
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so how do these sensors work then? Does the metal part on the white plastic float have anything to do with how it works??
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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 08:47 PM
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Is there another metal contact on opposite side of the one on the float? Is the float mounted horizontally? If so I’d clean those contacts up and see if it cures it, if it’s only supposed to be 5V then it’ll struggle on a bad surface like that.
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Metal part is most probably a magnet, and the switch is inside the black part to keep it away from water.

https://www.explainthatstuff.com/how...tcheswork.html

I would have bet on 12 volts though

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The metal part is definitely not a magnet. The only thing I can think of is the wires inside the switch sense the metal when the float is touching the black part of the switch.

The new switch has been posted so when it comes we will see what the cracks is.
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Originally Posted by martysmartie
Yes, it does.

It’s next to the fuel light, unless you are talking about coolant. If so no, only the MK1 had it.

Martin
Thanks for the info, I did'nt know there was one. In the 25 years I have had my Saff the windscreen washer bottle getting low has never happened so I guess the light has never come on!!!
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Old Apr 15, 2020 | 04:48 PM
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The light actually comes on as a test every time you turn the ignition on, just like all the lights from the auxilary warning system.
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Yeah I know the light comes on but mine flashes about 6 to 8 times then goes off.
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My comment was meant for Cossynut2 as he had never seen the light before.
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Old Apr 16, 2020 | 04:37 PM
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Hi Marc, I had a look today at my dash and I cannot see the light, I am sure it does'nt have one. Not that I am worried as the washers don't get used much!!
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
Hi Marc, I had a look today at my dash and I cannot see the light, I am sure it does'nt have one. Not that I am worried as the washers don't get used much!!
I am 100% sure it does have it. Perhaps the bulb is broken? It’s above the clock, just like the low fuel warning light. The Sierra mk1 has 6 warning lights there I believe, but the mk2 only has 2 of them, quite a shame really.
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Here you can see it.




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Originally Posted by Marc sierra
I am 100% sure it does have it. Perhaps the bulb is broken? It’s above the clock, just like the low fuel warning light. The Sierra mk1 has 6 warning lights there I believe, but the mk2 only has 2 of them, quite a shame really.
Yes, a couple would be EML and brake pad warning.

Ford were strange like this, it’s like the MK1 Ghia had wooden door cappings and footwell lights. 2WD never had the latter, yet they reappeared on the 4x4.

I have always believed the reason to be cost cutting.

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Originally Posted by Glenn_
Yeah I know the light comes on but mine flashes about 6 to 8 times then goes off.
This means there is a problem
with the sensor or the circuit.

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Fingers crossed its the sensor. I just like things to work but if not I will just take the warning bulb out.
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Above the clock,the small panel where the Clifford alarm led is. That's where the washer low light is.(this is an old pic of inside my car)
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Originally Posted by Marc sierra
Here you can see it.


Thanks Marc I will check it out!
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My new washer fluid low sensor came today...

The light still flashes ha ha. I'm gonna check to see if there is a 12volt libw coming out of the bulb failure module to the switch.
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Originally Posted by Glenn_
My new washer fluid low sensor came today...

The light still flashes ha ha. I'm gonna check to see if there is a 12volt libw coming out of the bulb failure module to the switch.
Oh mate what a pain in the ass! Had my cossie running couple days ago and cooling fans packed up. Had to re wire into a relay, nearly killed the fuse box. Bloody old fords!
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Yeh there not getting any younger.

The bulb failure modules are cheap in ebay so I might get one.
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Originally Posted by Glenn_
My new washer fluid low sensor came today...

The light still flashes ha ha. I'm gonna check to see if there is a 12volt libw coming out of the bulb failure module to the switch.
The auxiliary module controls this, not the lamp failure. I think 5V may be correct, as essentially it's a trigger input.

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Originally Posted by gcfcos
Oh mate what a pain in the ass! Had my cossie running couple days ago and cooling fans packed up. Had to re wire into a relay, nearly killed the fuse box. Bloody old fords!
Cooling fans should be rewired externally to the fuse box, an "uprated" switch is also a good idea, this along with the fuel pump wiring are two weak points.

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Originally Posted by Glenn_
Yeh there not getting any younger.

The bulb failure modules are cheap in ebay so I might get one.
Had a look at the pin out for you, pin 20 (Bn/w) is what runs to the reed switch, it appears there are several wires with the same colour though.

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Originally Posted by martysmartie
The auxiliary module controls this, not the lamp failure. I think 5V may be correct, as essentially it's a trigger input.

Martin
The one behind the passenger side dash??

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Originally Posted by martysmartie
Had a look at the pin out for you, pin 20 (Bn/w) is what runs to the reed switch, it appears there are several wires with the same colour though.

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yes I checked this out the other day. There is about 4 wires with the same colour. So could it have 5 volt feed or should it be 12? This is the next thing I was gonna check,to see what the voltage out of pin 20 at the module.
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Originally Posted by martysmartie
Cooling fans should be rewired externally to the fuse box, an "uprated" switch is also a good idea, this along with the fuel pump wiring are two weak points.

Martin
A rewire kit only costs about 50 quid they have a wire so you can run a manual switch.
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Originally Posted by Glenn_
yes I checked this out the other day. There is about 4 wires with the same colour. So could it have 5 volt feed or should it be 12? This is the next thing I was gonna check,to see what the voltage out of pin 20 at the module.
I suspect it's correct, so will be 5V remember this is electronics, if you think about engine management it has 5V outputs as well.

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Fixed to fooooooook... when I've pushed the new sensor connector in it pushed the pin out of the wiring loom so it wasn't making a connection.
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as you can see in the pic the switch is open so it has a bit of resistance

the switch is closed and the resistance isn't as much.

I checked my old switch and there was no resistance at all. It was an open circuit. So im chuffed its fixed.
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Nice that it is fixed. All these little things can become annoying when there are too many of them. I like everything to work as it is supposed to.
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