https://www.google.com/amp/s/f1i.com/news/365695-symonds-greener-two-stroke-future-for-f1-engines.html/amp

Just come across this online. Now to me this sounds exciting! I've also read that Motogp are considering going back to two stroke engines.
I hope it happens as two strokes are awesome and these V6 engines in the F1 cars are just shite. I do quite like the 4 stroke motogp engines but the 2 strokes were proper animals that took no prisoners.
When I was younger I raced motocross and ive never been much of a fan since they went 4 stroke, although even in this sport the two stroke seems to be having a bit of a revival.
Come on F1 & Motogp, bring back the strokers!!!!

 

I can't see it just from an emissions point alone as 2 strokes are the worst, more like will be electric soon !

 

Then you need to read the articles about it! Pat Symonds is no fool and knows what he's talking about.
Sorry, that was probably a bit harsh.
I too thought the same as you but it seems like two stroke technology has moved on immensely, which would make them super clean. You would also be able to have small capacity engines with big power. Remember back at the end of the 90's the 500cc two stroke motogp beasts were nudging 200bhp with all the old fashioned tech.
It may well never happen, but it sure would be nice and would give the internal combustion engine another lease of life. Plus they would sound so much better than the god awful V6's.

 

Two stroke is awesome, closest thing to turbo power without a turbo when the bikes hit the power band it was addictive, and they screamed.

i never got to ride anything over 185 in 2 stroke, I know the aprillia RS250 was a quick bike and then you had the 500’s especially the rd500lc and the famous meany greeny.

 

I don't think it will happen but I would love to see it mate I had 2 stroke bikes when I was young and loved them, ypvs valves locked open just like driving a low comp 4 stroke with a huge turbo on it, nothing, nothing then bang

I hope it does happen will make F1 of far more interest to me if it does, I yearned for an rs500lc when I was 17 but got into cars legally at 19 and didn't bother with doing my test when CBT ran out

 

Coming in 2030... “F1 to go diesel“, followed a decade later by “F1 to go coal”

Does show we get bullied into the next clean engine really. IMO we should be developing cleaner tech on petrol engine aiming at frugal 3cyl 1.0 turbos and the like for cars rather than electric.

I was trying to figure out some numbers if we all went “clean electric” the other day, just basing it off the cost of filling up a tesla at home. We’d end up using about 3 times the electricity we were (and that’s a very conservative estimate).

Aside from the impossible feat of the grid physically coping our power supply in the UK is currently made up by the majority of 42% of burning fossil fuel lol.


Its basic physics we’re always told you can’t get something without putting more in and electric cars are no exception. Whether it be the 42% of the battery charge coming from burning fossil fuel or the manufacture of their battery in the first place, the carbon footprint I can’t see being much different than a well developed modern petrol DI engine. Either that or we need to cover the globe in solar panels connected to inductive under road charging systems haha.

 

I know you are all thinking F1 going two stroke is a joke, but forget about the oil burning strokers of the past that we all love (well I do anyway!). The 2 strokes that are being looked in to are ultra modern with hydrogen and carbon extracted from the air combined with synthetic eco fuels.

Symonds says that even by retaining combustion engines, F1 could still capture the 'green crown' in coming seasons with its focus on synthetic eco-fuels that combine carbon harvested from the air with hydrogen.

There are some amazingly clever people in F1 who have the resources to develop such technology. Just look what they've achieved with the 4 stroke engine.
I've always believed that the future is with hydrogen. Now if F1 can make it a proper reality, that to me is pretty exciting stuff as I just dont buy all this battery powered car crap as it's just not as eco friendly as we're all lead to believe due to some of the reasons in the post above plus many more.
If F1 do go down the road of 2 strokes with all the modern and future tech I recon we could have some ultra powerful small capacity engines that are super clean and sound awesome which would bring some of the magic back to F1 as well as paving the way for the future of transportation.

 

There is a very high chance that the Electric take over will be the saviour of the petrol engine, we may find the most efficient solution to using petrol still...it is soooo energy dense that it makes sense to keep using it plus the infrastructure is already there.

There is a 250 cc 2 stroke bike coming out, 63 bhp and 73 kilo weight for the total bike due to carbon construction.

 

I’ve been thinking similar recently, the more I think about electric taking over the more it seems a terrible idea.

I’m pretty dire at maths but it’s easy enough to roughly work out what chaos would be caused by every car owner charging a car every night just based off your current electric usage and the cost of ‘filling’ these cars.

Also, if it’s all about the environment why are these electric cars not as slow as possible? They should be as light and slow as possible to sip on that battery. People seem to think it’s fine to drain a tesla doing drag launches and charging it up every 5 mins! In the US 64% of their electricity comes from burning fossil fuel!

I don’t buy it to be honest. Best thing we could do is limit the amount of kids people churn out.

 

You and I are on exactly the same wave length.

I cannot understand why we do not solve the earths eco issues with a large decrease in population over the next few hundred years. massive incentives for no children and less for one child. The probable reason is that economies are based on growth and we need more bums on seats to keep that going.

I do have an electric car on the fleet as I wanted to try one but I am certain that in the current guise it is not the solution...they would need to be solar charged or other...not fossil fueled.

Carbon capture internal combustion or some form of hydrogen seems sensible...if carbon really is the issue / cause


I also believe in working as one world...stop trying to breed people and keep them alive in baron parts of africa...move life out, let it re-wild and collect solar energy from those hot places for the whole world to use...it is the same with places like iceland, they have more geothermal energy than they could ever use..they only touch a tiny percentage.

We could cool the planet with a super sized refrigerator with the heat exchange out of the atmosphere.

 

Which electric car you got mate ? Be interested to hear what you think of it bud

 

I have the little Renault Twizy, it has an adjustable power box so you can top out at 70 mph (55 feels pretty fast enough in it) and it can just about wheelspin away so it is quite nippy (compared to the 100% standard ones)

It is 2 seater, one in front of the other with Lambo doors. only 50 mile range but re-charge to full in around 2 hrs on normal 3 pin plug (can also use the free chargers at supermarkets etc.)

I use it for the school run and bombing around the village, it is great, no power steering (doesn't need it - its 400 kilos), no servo brakes, no traction control...just 2 pedals and you only really use one as you can adjust the regen braking to almost do emergency stops. As it is so narrow it has double the road to use so you conserve speed by apexing the corners and I leave a lot of cars behind in the twisties plus off the line.

Mine is camo wrapped with bright wheels - I will post a pic

 

 

And this is the elephant in the room everyone chooses to ignore. Yet it is the single biggest problem all life on the planet faces. How dare they ignore it....

 

Exactly!

 

I have some good friends, the Dad is a family of four children and he has 4 children, his youngest brother wants 4 children (already on 2) his older brother wants 4 and his sister wanted more but only had 1. I have been quite vocal that they all need to stop but they don’t listen.

 

And they're probably the type of hypocrite that would say you as one person and your car are polluting and killing the planet.

 

I've got 4 kids now " scoooby sneaks off quietly" lmfao

 

Mate, you need to choose two to keep lol.


Seriously though, obviously I’m not talking back dating kid limits but it does kind of make sense that we slow the population a bit.

And don’t get me even started on the people that keep churning them out in certain countries, bringing them in to a life guarantee’d to make them sick, starving and apparently only able to drink water from a puddle where their cow pisses. Has anything changed in those places as I’m still seeing the same adverts on TV as I was 35 years ago. You’d think someone would realise that the money only causes more starving kids to be born & hold their hands out. Can you imagine losing everything you currently have, having no money, living in a shed somewhere, having to drink from a ditch 2 miles away in a farmers field full of cow shit, being so starving you’ll eat anything... then thinking, I know let’s have a baby! No, me neither. The real problem is charity has perpetuated this problem and given people more reason to reproduce. Plus I’m always sceptical of these charities too, it’s all about money somewhere!

 

Mate, you need to choose two to keep lol.


Seriously though, obviously I’m not talking back dating kid limits but it does kind of make sense that we slow the population a bit.

And don’t get me even started on the people that keep churning them out in certain countries, bringing them in to a life guarantee’d to make them sick, starving and apparently only able to drink water from a puddle where their cow pisses. Has anything changed in those places as I’m still seeing the same adverts on TV as I was 35 years ago.

You’d think someone would realise that the money only causes more starving kids to be born & hold their hands out. Can you imagine losing everything you currently have, having no money, living in a shed somewhere, having to drink from a ditch 2 miles away in a farmers field full of cow shit, being so starving you’ll eat anything... then thinking, I know let’s have a baby! No, me neither. The real problem is charity has perpetuated this problem and given people more reason to reproduce. Plus I’m always sceptical of these charities too, it’s all about money somewhere!

 

Lol, at least you don't have big engined cars and trucks causing pollution....oh wait!

What we do need though is a new culture of reduction of future population. After WW1 and WW2 economies grew and the countries were lacking in people so there was a culture of baby boom, we need to now reverse that. We have added something like 25 million people to the UK since the late 40's

 

Yep we've had massive population boom since the last world war

I'm gonna say my opinion on it wether it pleases or offends, basically my take on it like most things is from a financial standpoint, if a couple cannot financially support anymore than 1 child then that is all they should have, it's that simple

Why should everybody else pay for those children, they shouldn't imo

That would solve 2 problems in one imo, and thats an opinion ive had my whole life right back to when I had fuck all earning £79 a week in 1996 !
people seem to just fire out baby's willy nilly imo not caring if there partner is the right one for them or it's financially viable, in my mind both those questions need thorough time of thought and planning before any children are even considered !

I didn't have my first child til I was 28, already had a house on a mortgage and earned enough (just) to financially support my family, I was raised old school and I'm the same it's my job to financially support, my missus works but it's through choice not through necessity of income

 

Simple Math : Electric cars are heavier than their Petrol variants. So they use more resources.

Combine this with everyone going away from nuclear I don't understand why the electric cars are "cleaner"

Electric and hybrid is just a scam to get people to pay 10k more for the same size car. They want your money and nothing else matters.

 

Agree with both the above posts.

I think that Electric cars could be cleaner IF the elec is taken from wind farms and solar and we solve a way of recycling the batteries as we really do not know what the lifespan of a TESLA battery etc. is going to be and what we do with them when they are dead.

I do like the idea of lots of Tesla drive trains coming up so we can mod classics if we want by using the parts and buying new batteries if needed

 

Weight is less of an issue. An IC engine doesnt convert all the energy from its fuel to motion, a lot is wasted. So electric has the potential to be a lot more efficient. With the main problem being....batteries are shit.

Electric cars are only cleaner in the locality of the car itself. It just moves the pollution issue elsewhere, or to a different type of pollution..

Hybrids do have a place. They solve the range issues of battery cars, and they can also reduce the local emissions of the vehicle for short journey use. S quite simply they are more practical.....whether a great solution for any perceived problems or not is a different matter


but 2 strokes.....they've been hiding away for many years, so hard to know what has changed that might see them come back.

 

I think maybe the hiding away bit sums it up. With no attention due to no need they have not had much development but with modern materials, techniques and some proper development money we may see something special.

i have some glow engine and other two stroke RC cars and they do over 18000 rpm and make good power. My 32cc is over 7hp and could do a fair bit more and that is a £400 cheapo single.