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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 11:29 AM
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Words fail me on this saph powered by a poxhall



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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 12:44 PM
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Nowt wrong with that in my opinion, an easy 300bhp
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 01:33 PM
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Nowt wrong with that in my opinion, an easy 300bhp

I personally could not have anything poxhall in my life
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 02:37 PM
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The Ford and VW world seem to worry about this. Yes, if it was a pristine car, full original then I guess I can understand it but to me it is just a way to make the car go and 300 bhp naturally aspirated Vauxhall is a darn site cheaper to do than a 300 NA YB and IF you had the YB standard you could sell it to pay for the whole conversion. I can see this one is Turboed so less of an argument but if built from a shell it seems a much more cost effective way than sourcing a YB and making it work.

The heart of a Cossie would always be a Cossie...I do get that.

A MK2 escort with a BMW or Vauxhalll or Honda engine would not bother me at all.

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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 03:16 PM
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I'm currently building a vauxhall powered capri, the engine cost peanuts, to get the same power from a pinto, Essex or cologne would cost me an arm and leg, i wouldbt entertain a boa because they are lazy and over rated, at the end of the day with that saph it's nuts and bolts its nothing that can't be reversed
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 1-PD
I personally could not have anything poxhall in my life
In the rally world MK2 Escorts with 2.0 XE Vauxhall engines have been around and very competitive for years. It is unusual in a Saff but its a replica and seems a fairly tidy car for not a lot of money. Not my cup of tea but for somebody that can't afford a proper Sapphire Cosworth why not.
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 05:18 PM
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Thinking about it, if I could build an RS500 replica to be 100% accurate to look at externally, improve the suspension, standard interior and just a nice engine with better performance and modern costs / drivability I would be quite happy with that being a Ł10k to Ł20k car instead of the Ł50k to Ł100k originals.
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 05:24 PM
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Similar story with a bloke I know who loves classic German cars but hates their engines, so he puts Honda motors in everything!

mk1 Golf powered by Integra type r
mk2 Golf powered by K20 with 6spd
E30 BMW powered by S2000 with 6 spd

Haven't spoken to him for ages so god knows what he's up to now.
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 06:09 PM
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Fook that if you can’t afford a YB as they are stupidly over priced now at least fit a zetec or fords re badged Volvo engine lol
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 07:53 PM
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It isn’t a real cossie anyway so he’s obviously not wanting to pay 4K for a smokey old 2wd engine that’s on its last skim lol, personally I would of chose a better engine as those are chocolate, supra 2jz wouldnt look out of place
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Originally Posted by GVK.
Similar story with a bloke I know who loves classic German cars but hates their engines, so he puts Honda motors in everything!

mk1 Golf powered by Integra type r
mk2 Golf powered by K20 with 6spd
E30 BMW powered by S2000 with 6 spd

Haven't spoken to him for ages so god knows what he's up to now.
cant blame him I have a civic type r as a daily and it gets abused on my 60 mile daily commute and never misses a beat, I love the engine think it would be great turbo’d.
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Just a old knacker nothing wrong in it
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Originally Posted by Adam-M
It isn’t a real cossie anyway so he’s obviously not wanting to pay 4K for a smokey old 2wd engine that’s on its last skim lol, personally I would of chose a better engine as those are chocolate, supra 2jz wouldnt look out of place
I agree with you, if it was a genuine Sapphire Cosworth you would be de-valuing it by putting the Vauxhall engine in it but it's not, so however buys it is just wants the look without the huge cost that a decent 2wd or 4wd is these days.
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 08:27 AM
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I did have a comment on a face book picture that someone else posted of my Pug and it was "waste of a good engine" so in reverse I got the same sentiment but you cannot please all of the people all of the time. In the same thread some idiot had said it was his car and he was getting ready to sell it.....I asked him why he had put that and he did not respond????
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
I did have a comment on a face book picture that someone else posted of my Pug and it was "waste of a good engine" so in reverse I got the same sentiment but you cannot please all of the people all of the time. In the same thread some idiot had said it was his car and he was getting ready to sell it.....I asked him why he had put that and he did not respond????
It is though ha ha

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IMO that engine looks wrong in that bay, it’s ugly and just don’t look right, it’s prob just been done as a cheap alternative that has ok power, if the car was a decent replica it would really need a YB in it

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Originally Posted by turbotrev


It is though ha ha

Cheers Paul
that’s two wankers then
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by turbotrev


It is though ha ha

Cheers Paul
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Originally Posted by turbotrev
IMO that engine looks wrong in that bay, it’s ugly and just don’t look right, it’s prob just been done as a cheap alternative that has ok power, if the car was a decent replica it would really need a YB in it

Cheers Paul
It is a one off that nobody else has done before, it was'nt a Sapphire Cosworth, but for not a lot of money someone will have the look of a genuine one (apart from when the bonnet is up ) for a fraction of the price. If it was a genuine Sapphire Cosworth and some tosser had removed the YB and replaced it with the Vauxhall engine that would be real sacrilidge!!!
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack

that’s two wankers then
I knew that was coming lol

Cheers Paul
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I’m much fatter than that!

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Originally Posted by cossynut2
It is a one off that nobody else has done before, it was'nt a Sapphire Cosworth, but for not a lot of money someone will have the look of a genuine one (apart from when the bonnet is up ) for a fraction of the price. If it was a genuine Sapphire Cosworth and some tosser had removed the YB and replaced it with the Vauxhall engine that would be real sacrilidge!!!
Defintely mate

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Originally Posted by 1-PD
I personally could not have anything poxhall in my life
Agreed +1

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Originally Posted by 1-PD
I personally could not have anything poxhall in my life
Must be terrible to go through life so blinkered and narrow-minded.
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Old Nov 20, 2018 | 01:19 PM
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its an engine in a car - some people need to get out more
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Old Nov 20, 2018 | 03:14 PM
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Don't see much wrong with it to be honest. If you want to make your car go faster, it makes sense as there are lots of these engines about and seems to be plenty of expertise out there. They can make decent power too. Vauxhall engines in MK2 Escorts is common in the rally world as, again, it's a cost-effective way to do it. As others have said, I can see why it might upset people if it was a factory Cosworth, but it isn't, so who cares. Fair play for making something a bit different that does the job, while avoiding "RS tax" along the way.

Having driven an Astra J VXR a couple of years ago, there was nothing "Poxhall" about it. I'd take one over a MK3 Focus ST all day long. But then I'd take a Megane RS over either. I used to be stifled by the Ford blinkers, but I managed to take them off a few years ago. Fords of a certain vintage will always be close to my heart, but there's a big world out there. Sounds like a few people need to try it
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People rarely but sometimes jibe about the Peugeot, I admit they have not always been great but 1) they are still going and 2) the 205 helped define the hot hatch 3)309 and 306 also defined vehicle balance...you just have to have an open mind.

Fords have rusted, Alfa’s have rusted and been unreliable, Citroen’s are generally shit, Landrover electrics are shocking etc....most cars have pretty crap vehicles in their line up but every now and again we get something special.....like a taxi with a Cosworth Engine
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