Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth This forum is for discussion of all things pertaining to the Ford Sierra Cosworth.

Sapph Rear Trailing Arm ARB brackets

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 11, 2016 | 08:48 AM
  #1  
Jack and the Beanstalk's Avatar
Jack and the Beanstalk
Thread Starter
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 295
Likes: 6
From: South Africa
Default Sapph Rear Trailing Arm ARB brackets

Hi

Can someone assist me in making some cardboard templates to fabricate the ARB rackets to weld/mount on the rear trailing arms on a sapphire.

These are the brackets that are part of where the handbrake cable goes through. So would be inner of the wing.

On my suspension they are non existent and I wish to add the brackets to install 19mm rear ARB. I have the ARB, bushes and mounting p-brackets to the body.

Please give drawings of the cut outs with fold lines and dimensions.

My plan is to have the brackets welded into the trailing arms and make up adjustable links using rose joints.

Please advise

Cheers
Reply
Old May 11, 2016 | 09:28 AM
  #2  
Caddyshack's Avatar
Caddyshack
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 10,837
Likes: 1,033
From: Guildford
Default

Have a chat with MK motorsport as he has bladed ARB which comes with mounts etc.
Reply
Old May 12, 2016 | 09:47 PM
  #3  
steppy's Avatar
steppy
PassionFord Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 377
Likes: 46
From: stoke on trent
Default

I made these for my 3 door rep for saph arb drop links to bolt to

Name:  DSC_0787_zpsszbxkcnn.jpg
Views: 495
Size:  213.2 KB

Does this help you??
Reply
Old May 13, 2016 | 05:47 AM
  #4  
Jack and the Beanstalk's Avatar
Jack and the Beanstalk
Thread Starter
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 295
Likes: 6
From: South Africa
Default

Originally Posted by Caddyshack
Have a chat with MK motorsport as he has bladed ARB which comes with mounts etc.

Thanks Caddyshack

Is he on the forum perhaps?

I stay in SA, a quick call is not a viable option at this stage.


Originally Posted by steppy
I made these for my 3 door rep for saph arb drop links to bolt to.



Does this help you??

Steppy is it similar to my reference pic?


Just want to be clear as to what I'm needing Took this pic from Pauls post. (Hope you don't Mind )

See the bracket to connect the drop link onto



I need the cut-out and dimensions of those bracket and pin.

However I'm going to make is slightly longer so that it goes into the trailing arm by cutting a slot into it, if that makes sense.

Cheers
Reply
Old May 13, 2016 | 08:53 AM
  #5  
steppy's Avatar
steppy
PassionFord Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 377
Likes: 46
From: stoke on trent
Default

Yes it does the same job, instead of it having the peg like the original the drop link gets bolted on, I'll try to get time to get under it later and take a picture for you of how it is
Reply
Old May 13, 2016 | 08:56 AM
  #6  
Jack and the Beanstalk's Avatar
Jack and the Beanstalk
Thread Starter
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 295
Likes: 6
From: South Africa
Default

Originally Posted by steppy
Yes it does the same job, instead of it having the peg like the original the drop link gets bolted on, I'll try to get time to get under it later and take a picture for you of how it is
Yes please and thank you. Would be helpful.

Cheers
Reply
Old May 13, 2016 | 09:40 AM
  #7  
Caddyshack's Avatar
Caddyshack
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 10,837
Likes: 1,033
From: Guildford
Default

He is on this thread a lot, you can pm him from his profile - he is MK Mortorsport on here, not to be confused with M K, the other user:

https://passionford.com/forum/genera...able-beam.html
Reply
Old May 13, 2016 | 03:55 PM
  #8  
steppy's Avatar
steppy
PassionFord Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 377
Likes: 46
From: stoke on trent
Default

Here you go

Name:  DSC_2230_zpsnmphkhok.jpg
Views: 535
Size:  271.6 KB
Reply
Old May 14, 2016 | 08:21 AM
  #9  
Jack and the Beanstalk's Avatar
Jack and the Beanstalk
Thread Starter
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 295
Likes: 6
From: South Africa
Default

Originally Posted by steppy
Here you go


Okay I see now, said the blind man..............


So basically you mock up the position of those brackets to where the drop links come down and tack and weld in position

You using bolt and nut to fasten it? How do you still keep the movement?
Reply
Old May 14, 2016 | 08:34 AM
  #10  
steppy's Avatar
steppy
PassionFord Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 377
Likes: 46
From: stoke on trent
Default

You got it, then fully weld the bracket, i used shanked bolts so the bush sits over the shank that way the nut can't nip it up stopping movement
Reply
Old May 14, 2016 | 08:55 AM
  #11  
Jack and the Beanstalk's Avatar
Jack and the Beanstalk
Thread Starter
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 295
Likes: 6
From: South Africa
Default

Originally Posted by steppy
You got it, then fully weld the bracket, i used shanked bolts so the bush sits over the shank that way the nut can't nip it up stopping movement
Okay but is there still allow for spherical movement when tightened? as the link would move up and down?

Cheers
Reply
Old May 14, 2016 | 09:02 AM
  #12  
steppy's Avatar
steppy
PassionFord Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 377
Likes: 46
From: stoke on trent
Default

No problem Yes it gets full movement as there is no pinching force on the bush from the nut, the nut is simply there to stop the drop link from coming off like the ball on the mounting peg of the original, Google shanked bolt and look on images you will understand

Last edited by steppy; May 14, 2016 at 09:04 AM.
Reply
Old May 14, 2016 | 09:31 AM
  #13  
Jack and the Beanstalk's Avatar
Jack and the Beanstalk
Thread Starter
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 295
Likes: 6
From: South Africa
Default

Originally Posted by steppy
No problem Yes it gets full movement as there is no pinching force on the bush from the nut, the nut is simply there to stop the drop link from coming off like the ball on the mounting peg of the original, Google shanked bolt and look on images you will understand


Thanks Steppy. Appreciate the info

Cheers
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2021 | 09:01 AM
  #14  
Jack and the Beanstalk's Avatar
Jack and the Beanstalk
Thread Starter
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 295
Likes: 6
From: South Africa
Default

Hi All

Just reviving and old thread. What is the length between the centers of the stock drop link? I'm going to be making up adjustable and need to know what the shortest length is

Also just reviewing the above mod. If I were to copy the stock setup, welding a U-Shaped bracket off the brake pipe holder bracket, can somebody please kindly provide me some dimensions and possible drawing of this as i would like to replicate this to weld onto my vehicles suspension trailing arms

We are going to cut out the current pin on the ARB and weld in a shouldered bolt on both ends ARB and the mounting bracket






Cheers
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2022 | 12:43 PM
  #15  
Jack and the Beanstalk's Avatar
Jack and the Beanstalk
Thread Starter
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 295
Likes: 6
From: South Africa
Default

Just to update this thread

Bracket welded on trailing arm. Is welded using 3mm steel plate and gusset braced



Pins were ground and knocked out



M10 Galvanised steel closed bottle type rigging screw used



Shackles were ditched and bought 2 sets of M10 rose joints with associated hardware



Will update later when all is connected. I forgot to take a pic during the fitment.
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2022 | 02:29 PM
  #16  
haz87's Avatar
haz87
PassionFord Post Whore!!
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,502
Likes: 184
From: Colchester,essex
Default

I'm all for DIY, but those look painfully heavy! Thought of using a lighter material or are they really not that heavy in reality.
Rosejoints were probably a good shout as I imagine those shackles would be fairly brittle
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2022 | 03:15 PM
  #17  
Jack and the Beanstalk's Avatar
Jack and the Beanstalk
Thread Starter
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 295
Likes: 6
From: South Africa
Default

Originally Posted by haz87
I'm all for DIY, but those look painfully heavy! Thought of using a lighter material or are they really not that heavy in reality.
Rosejoints were probably a good shout as I imagine those shackles would be fairly brittle
I wouldn't be able to tell the difference to compare from stock original as I didn't have from the start. however I weighed it just out of interest For me its about strength to take up tension and purpose.

It also has a rated WLL of 0.5 ton with the shackles of course not with the rose joints.


420g



842g



cheers

Last edited by Jack and the Beanstalk; Mar 8, 2022 at 03:18 PM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dal3door
Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth
15
Apr 24, 2022 07:31 PM
Tinshaw
Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth
2
Oct 16, 2013 04:09 AM
simonmcf
Ford Escort RS Turbo
30
Oct 6, 2012 09:07 PM
trebor
General Car Related Discussion.
1
Mar 21, 2008 09:52 AM




All times are GMT. The time now is 02:06 AM.